Growth Why Then the Law?

[th1b.taylor]

I do not think Moses imposed law on "All men"

LOL! Sorry, but that is too cute.

Moses imposed the Law on no man! Imposed, right off the bat is the wrong idea. God created the Earth for our needs and it is still His world, not ours but just as a renter/leaser must obey the contractual rules or loss their house, so must we do or we go to Hell.

 

[reba]

When we use the words Moses's law isn't that a misnomer? maybe we should say something like the laws God spoke to Moses

 

[TonkaTim]

I always find it interesting that it was a Christian who gave the law.

 

[jasoncran]

When we use the words Moses's law isn't that a misnomer? maybe we should say something like the laws God spoke to Moses

moses was the one who received and judged isreal by it and gave commands and understand of how to implement it. if one wants to be technical the laws of god. are the ones found in the ten commandments that exclude the shabat. all those were implied in genesis to be in existence

1) murder. cain was damned by god for killing able
2) adultery. joseph fled from it and called and on offense to god, and abilemech was warned by god not to take sarai as a wife because she was married to abram
3) lust, idolatry are in the land of Sodom and gommorah.
4) idolatry. rebeccah, stole which is though shall not steal command as well, a house god and later obviously had to choose to believe the YHWH as she married Isaac and believed the prophecy of the Hebrew nation
5) sin and all manner of it was the reason the earth was flooded. see matthew 24 when jesus speaks of his return and described what men are doing when he is coming and also pauls statements on those that are outside the blood and what they do and where they are in revalation 22.

 

[JLB]

moses was the one who received and judged isreal by it and gave commands and understand of how to implement it. if one wants to be technical the laws of god. are the ones found in the ten commandments that exclude the shabat. all those were implied in genesis to be in existence

1) murder. cain was damned by god for killing able
2) adultery. joseph fled from it and called and on offense to god, and abilemech was warned by god not to take sarai as a wife because she was married to abram
3) lust, idolatry are in the land of Sodom and gommorah.
4) idolatry. rebeccah, stole which is though shall not steal command as well, a house god and later obviously had to choose to believe the YHWH as she married Isaac and believed the prophecy of the Hebrew nation
5) sin and all manner of it was the reason the earth was flooded. see matthew 24 when jesus speaks of his return and described what men are doing when he is coming and also pauls statements on those that are outside the blood and what they do and where they are in revalation 22.

:amen

 

[jasoncran]

moses was the one who received and judged isreal by it and gave commands and understand of how to implement it. if one wants to be technical the laws of god. are the ones found in the ten commandments that exclude the shabat. all those were implied in genesis to be in existence

1) murder. cain was damned by god for killing able
2) adultery. joseph fled from it and called and on offense to god, and abilemech was warned by god not to take sarai as a wife because she was married to abram
3) lust, idolatry are in the land of Sodom and gommorah.
4) idolatry. rebeccah, stole which is though shall not steal command as well, a house god and later obviously had to choose to believe the YHWH as she married Isaac and believed the prophecy of the Hebrew nation
5) sin and all manner of it was the reason the earth was flooded. see matthew 24 when jesus speaks of his return and described what men are doing when he is coming and also pauls statements on those that are outside the blood and what they do and where they are in revalation 22.

the torah was a guide of living for the Hebrews as they spent 400 years as slaves and also didn't have much revalation from god, they needed a direction and this was to separate them from the goy who were very evil. thus the very specific command against idolatry and the names of the gods and how they were worshipped. we learn from them that when we fail to obey god command we are missing blessings and curses may come if we don't repent. in like manner we have been called out of the world and the ten are there to separate us from the heathen. its simpler now as we would have to for each gentile nation a separate set of laws for each issues that is unique.
ie for americans
1) thou shall not worship any car, job, woman, over thy God
2) thou shall not fail to assist thy poor, the widows, the fatherless
3) thou shall not lust, covet
4) thou shall deprive land from any heathen unless they attack thee.

not a perfect list but those are sins from Americas past and present.

 

[reba]

those are Gods laws not Moses' laws

 

[jasoncran]

those are Gods laws not Moses' laws

but the mosaic law includes them. all covenants do this. we go from the simple laws given to the goy, add some for the Hebrews then back to the more simple guidance for the church. pauls lists a lot donts for the church that are summed up in the first two commandments

 

[reba]

Which of the laws we read in scripture are not God's laws?

 

[iLOVE]

Galatians 4 teaches that some Christian believers are still being tutored under the law. It also gives the reason why your prayers are delayed.

Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, 2 but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. 3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[a] of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of[b] God through Christ. Galatians 4:1-7 NKJV

 

[th1b.taylor]

All men are certainly not condemned by the law of Moses.

All men are condemned by the transgression of Adam.

You shall not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Where does this law appear in Moses law?

JLB

(Rom. 2:8,9). Regarding those who violated the Law of Moses, the Scripture said, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them," (Gal. 3:10). Participation in sin brings to the sinner - earned condemnation; the curse of violating God's law.

JLB, the Bible is not compartmentalized and that is what you are trying to do here. The Bible is divided, only, that there are two testaments, the Old, a.k.a. the Bible Jesus and Paul taught and commented on and the New. the only God authorized Life Application Commentary on the Bible. Aside from that the Bible, Old and New Testaments are of one continuous context. So much so that the first rule of Hermeneutics is, 'No single, no group nor any grouping of scripture can ever be understood without the light of all other scripture shinning on it or them.

God bless brother.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Which of the laws we read in scripture are not God's laws?

They are all God's Law to the best of my knowledge.

 

[jasoncran]

Which of the laws we read in scripture are not God's laws?

if he gave a command why then are they nullified. yes he gave them to moses but the mosaic law god meant to change. the laws prior to that didn't change

its in the law that Aaron's son shall stand before the Lord FOREVER. yet we know that is done away with.

 

[sourberry]

those are Gods laws not Moses' laws

I think we all know that, reba. And we probably all know why we call them Moses law.

How would you propose to address a list of agreements between God and jews?

 

[reba]

The point has been made a few times, that being what we call Moses' laws are the laws of God....remembering that fact was the point of my questions.

How would you propose to address a list of agreements between God and jews?

Being a moderator has its draw backs ... i will not get into a dispensational debate :nod as much as i may like too...

 

[jasoncran]

I think we all know that, reba. And we probably all know why we call them Moses law.

How would you propose to address a list of agreements between God and jews?

the torah.

 

[TOG]

When we use the words Moses's law isn't that a misnomer? maybe we should say something like the laws God spoke to Moses

I agree. Moses didn't give any laws. God gave laws through Moses. I prefere to call it "God's law" or "the law of God", if I want to give an origin. Otherwise I simply call it "the law".

The TOG​

 

[th1b.taylor]

if he gave a command why then are they nullified. yes he gave them to moses but the mosaic law god meant to change. the laws prior to that didn't change

its in the law that Aaron's son shall stand before the Lord FOREVER. yet we know that is done away with.

Jason,
Mal. 3:6a God never changes and that will include His mind.

 

[th1b.taylor]

When we use the words Moses's law isn't that a misnomer? maybe we should say something like the laws God spoke to Moses

Amen.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I always find it interesting that it was a Christian who gave the law.

That needs explanation.