Bible Study WHY!

[ezrider]

I believe that, now that we have the completed canon of Scriptures, God expects me to order my life according to knowledge. How else am I going to activate His precious promises? Faith comes in believing what He has promised will take place. Your quote from Genesis 2:17 applied only to Adam and Eve, and not to me.

Does it? The point of your OP seems a bit lost on me at the moment. I mean you seem quite capable of deciding what scripture applies to you and those that do not. But I ask, of all the scriptures that you decided do not apply to you, The First commandment of the Lord: Do Not Eat of the tree of Knowledge. And yet you say God expects you to order your life according to knowledge. Why is that? Have not you already studied the Book from cover to cover? How many times? What more are you looking for?

What does God expect? Well, once you have had your fill from the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the knowledge of the law and sin, then He expects you to humble yourself and repent, and then believe in the promise of His Grace. For Jesus told you to take no thought for tomorrow. The Prophets have declared unto you that the JUST shall LIVE by FAITH, that is to say, those who have been Justified shall live by faith. What does Knowledge have to do with Faith?

I have asked in this thread a number of times to which no one yet has been able to give and account of this very simple question. If the reason we need Christ as our savior was because of the Sin of Adam's transgression, and as the scripture declares that by this one man Adam that sin entered the world and death passed to all men. And as the scripture declares that by the obedience of one man Christ grace has passed to all unto justification. Then what does Moses have to do with your salvation?

If the offense came through Adam, and salvation comes through Christ, then what more can the Law and the Prophets offer you as far as your salvation is concerned?

Being that the offense came through Adam, and that through the law we have sinned after the similitude of the Sin of Adam's transgression by parting of the fruit of Knowledge, those verses from Genesis, being that they were the First commandment of the Lord that we find, then by His Grace, that commandment is sufficient enough for me.

 

[ezrider]

I believe that, now that we have the completed canon of Scriptures, God expects me to order my life according to knowledge. How else am I going to activate His precious promises? Faith comes in believing what He has promised will take place. Your quote from Genesis 2:17 applied only to Adam and Eve, and not to me.

Does it? The point of your OP seems a bit lost on me at the moment. I mean you seem quite capable of deciding what scripture applies to you and those that do not. But I ask, of all the scriptures that you decided do not apply to you, The First commandment of the Lord: Do Not Eat of the tree of Knowledge. And yet you say God expects you to order your life according to knowledge. Why is that? Have not you already studied the Book from cover to cover? How many times? What more are you looking for?

What does God expect? Well, once you have had your fill from the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the knowledge of the law and sin, then He expects you to humble yourself and repent, and then believe in the promise of His Grace. For Jesus told you to take no thought for tomorrow. The Prophets have declared unto you that the JUST shall LIVE by FAITH, that is to say, those who have been Justified shall live by faith. What does Knowledge have to do with Faith?

I have asked in this thread a number of times to which no one yet has been able to give and account of this very simple question. If the reason we need Christ as our savior was because of the Sin of Adam's transgression, and as the scripture declares that by this one man Adam that sin entered the world and death passed to all men. And as the scripture declares that by the obedience of one man Christ grace has passed to all unto justification. Then what does Moses have to do with your salvation?

If the offense came through Adam, and salvation comes through Christ, then what more can the Law and the Prophets offer you as far as your salvation is concerned?

Being that the offense came through Adam, and that through the law we have sinned after the similitude of the Sin of Adam's transgression by parting of the fruit of Knowledge, those verses from Genesis, being that they were the First commandment of the Lord that we find, then by His Grace, that commandment is sufficient enough for me.

 

[ezrider]

I asked this question back in the beginning of this thread and thus far it has been overlooked.

Chopper, Let me ask you another question that you might think upon. How long has the Bible existed? Now I am not talking about the manuscripts, but the modern Bible. When in the history of the world has the written word of God known as the Bible been accessible to each and all in their own language like it is today? Why do you think that is?

Care to give thought to that question?

How about this question. Why is the Bible the only book that I know of in the world that comes with a single caveat attached to it. That by obedience to the fruit of its knowledge you can be as the son of God judging between good and evil? Tell me another book that comes with this promise?

You read the law and partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and by this fruit you try and walk obedient before this piece of knowledge. And yet for all the fruit of this tree of knowledge, what has all the knowledge of the law gained you? It has gained you the knowledge of Sin and Death and the need for your salvation. But what more can the law give you than the need for your salvation. The scripture declares that you can not do perfect obedience before the law, so just accept it.

Instead he has asked you to walk in obedience to Faith according to the perfect will of God so that He might begin to manifest in you the fruit of His Spirit, so that you might bare the Fruit of the tree of Life.

 

[eddif]

Philippians 3:6
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

eddif

 

[Chopper]

I asked this question back in the beginning of this thread and thus far it has been overlooked.



Care to give thought to that question?

How about this question. Why is the Bible the only book that I know of in the world that comes with a single caveat attached to it. That by obedience to the fruit of its knowledge you can be as the son of God judging between good and evil? Tell me another book that comes with this promise?

You read the law and partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and by this fruit you try and walk obedient before this piece of knowledge. And yet for all the fruit of this tree of knowledge, what has all the knowledge of the law gained you? It has gained you the knowledge of Sin and Death and the need for your salvation. But what more can the law give you than the need for your salvation. The scripture declares that you can not do perfect obedience before the law, so just accept it.

Instead he has asked you to walk in obedience to Faith according to the perfect will of God so that He might begin to manifest in you the fruit of His Spirit, so that you might bare the Fruit of the tree of Life.

I gave you my answer, 2Pe 1:2 "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord."

The reason that I quoted 2 Peter 1:2 was to point out that God's Word to me, who needs a bunch of Grace & Peace, tells me that Grace & Peace comes thru "Knowledge" of God (Old Covenant), and "Knowledge" of Jesus our Lord (New Covenant).

As far as Moses and the Law is concerned, they have nothing to do with my Salvation. It's history of how Israel responded to YHVH and how YHVH responded to them so that I can learn certain patterns of my daily life that will be pleasing to my Lord so that Jesus' sacrifice for me will now be in vain. I simply don't want to grieve the Holy Spirit.

The fruit of the tree of life will not be mine until I reach that City that Abraham hoped for. The fruit that I'm after is the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God and it takes knowledge to know what they are and what needs to happen for them to be a part of my daily walk.

EZ, you and I go back some and I have noted that you will ask me a question that, in your mind, you have an exact answer. If I don't respond to the answer that you have predetermined, I'm wrong and you're right. I see problems with that kind of dialogue.

I try to answer your questions, apparently you either disregard them or they don't meet with your approval....SO, lets keep our posting with the OP. What do you see from Scripture that tells me that the letters to the Churches, Jews in the dispersion, and letters to individuals like Timothy are for me as well as Timothy. Please answer that! I've asked that before.

I already know that the Old Covenant is for me because of Scriptures like, Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Since Old and New Covenant believers are one in Christ Jesus, the writings in the Old Covenant are for me to heed. That's why I study all the Old Testament, because it reveals to me the heart of Almighty God in how He acts and re-acts to His children of which I am one of them.

 

[eddif]

Hebrews 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

eddif

 

[ezrider]

EZ, you and I go back some and I have noted that you will ask me a question that, in your mind, you have an exact answer. If I don't respond to the answer that you have predetermined, I'm wrong and you're right. I see problems with that kind of dialogue.

I try to answer your questions, apparently you either disregard them or they don't meet with your approval....

Chopper, maybe you misunderstand the intent of the questions that I ask, but your response was typical of many of the other responses that have come my way. In your mind you believe I am looking for some specific answer, and in that you are both right and wrong. There is no right answer to the questions that I ask of you, and there are no wrong answers to the question that I ask of you. I am afraid that you are so wound up withing the law trying to figure out what you should know or what you can cast aside, that you have taken to seeing things through a lens of absolutes, and therefore something must be either being right or wrong, and so when I ask a question, you are looking to respond with a right answer, and like everyone else, you start posting or quoting scripture as your answer as if I am the one looking to be taught on the subject, and most of the time the scriptures that you would quote have absolutely nothing to do with the question that I asked.

You were the first to ask a question about what parts of the scripture are still applicable to you today. I have asked the questions of you so that you might explain to me what it is you believe deep in your heart. I do not want you to tell me what you believe the Bible says. I have a Bible, I can read it for myself. I want you to tell me what you believe the scriptures tell you based upon the questions that I have asked you.

I do not know what you truly believe, nor do I know what any one else truly believes closest to their heart. I only ask the questions so I might have a better understanding of what you truly believe. If you can not tell me what it is you believe, then how should I know what scripture you might need in response to your original question.

If I would have asked you how was meal at your grandsons wedding reception, would you have responded by telling me how lousy the meal was that you had over at the VFW hall?

I want to know when the time will come that we grow up and start acting like Jesus asked of us to toward one another. It is certainly difficult to express the beliefs that we hold closet to our hearts when those who would call themselves brothers act like a bunch of Pharisees and a pit of vipers because they feel the need to judge every single word someone says against what they believe the scriptures to say. Or if I ask a question in a certain way that I have some how taken my own question out of context. You can not have an open an honest discussion about what is in the scriptures if all we can do is accuse one another about deviating from what is written and trying to beat one another over the head with the book.

What should I say to our friend th1b.taylor who has more the once now compared me to David Koresh and Jim Jones. What part of Christ would have him making that kind of statement about me? Would you make that kind of statement about me based upon the few things that I have written and posted online? What does he know about me? I could be a monk in my own monastery or I could be an invalid bound to a chair who's only expression of the Word of God is spoken here through faith. What possibly could th1b.taylor know about me that would cause him to liken me to David Koresh and Jim Jones. Is that the righteous judgment of Christ that you know? Or could I say that he is reckless and irresponsible in his handling of the law and judgement?

Bill claims to know and follow the law. What does the law about bearing false witness?

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[th1b.taylor]

you are so wound up withing the law trying to figure out what you should know or what you can cast aside, that you have taken to seeing things through a lens of absolutes, and therefore something must be either being right or wrong

Chopper, like myself is not attempting to cast anjy of the Pure Word of God aside. No indeed, from ¨In the beginning...¨ through the very last ¨Amen¨ of The Revelation, chapter 22, the word or words carry equal weight for any man seeking to follow the Master, our LORD, the Savior.

Unlike yourself, Chopper and I believe in the Omnipotent God, the One God for whom there is no equal.

 

[ezrider]

Chopper, like myself is not attempting to cast anjy of the Pure Word of God aside. No indeed, from ¨In the beginning...¨ through the very last ¨Amen¨ of The Revelation, chapter 22, the word or words carry equal weight for any man seeking to follow the Master, our LORD, the Savior.

"Pure Word of God"

What is it that you consider to be the pure Word of God Bill?

Is it the King James Version?
How about the New International Version?
American Standard Version?
English Standard Version?
How about Young's Literal Translation?
Or maybe you like the New Living Translation?

Which one is the "Pure Word of God Bill?

The Pure Word of God is not the ink written on the pages of a book. The Pure Word of God is Christ and His Spirit. The Word of God became flesh, it is His Voice to whom I listen, for that is the commandment of the Father, the we should hear him. In the volume of the book it is written of me. The book wrote of him, the Word of God, the Promised Spirit that should come.

It is evident to me by your comments that you place the written word on a pedestal, making it an idol and placing it above the Spirit of the most Holy.

It is written in your scripture (yes, when Jesus quoted the scripture, He always said is in not written in Your Scripture) that is all of the thing that Jesus said and did could be written down, that world itself could not contain the books that should be written. So just who is it that wants to bind up the spirit to limit his voice to the few pages on your precious book?

So which translation is your pure word?

Romans 1:21-23
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man.

If you desire to educate me so badly on the "Pure Word of God" then maybe you could tell me who, as Paul writes that they changed the Glory of the Uncorruptable God into an image made like to corruptible man. Into whose image did the foolish, professing themselves wise, change the glory of God into, that they would worship the creature over the creator?

 

[ezrider]

Isaiah 30:1-3
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord,
that take counsel, but not of me;
and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit,
that they may add sin to sin:
That walk to go down into Egypt,
and have not asked at my mouth;
to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh,
and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!
Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame,
and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your confusion.

The strength of Pharaoh is the Law, and to trust under the shadow of the Law shall be to your confusion.

Jeremiah 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me;
they are sottish children, and they have none understanding:
they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Romans 11:9
And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them.

Deuteronomy 31:26
Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

John 5:39-47
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life:and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honour from men. But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not:if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me:for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words.

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[ezrider]

1 Corinthians 2:1-5
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

 

[th1b.taylor]

ez,
This time I'm calling you for putting words in my mouth. You either show me where I said I obey the Law or prove yourself to be lying. Don't draw words out of context but quote at least a paragraph. I have never and I do mean never claimed to be the hrist and He is the only man able to live the Law.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Is it the King James Version?
How about the New International Version?
American Standard Version?
English Standard Version?
How about Young's Literal Translation?
Or maybe you like the New Living Translation?

Which one is the "Pure Word of God Bill?

All of them! And I use several of these and the NASB. They all say the same thing when they are read in context.

 

[th1b.taylor]

It is evident to me by your comments that you place the written word on a pedestal, making it an idol and placing it above the Spirit of the most Holy.

And it is evident to me that you do not study the Word, today. You have studied the Word enough to compose propaganda about the Word but that is all. The Bible is the measure all men must strive to live live by to be pleasing in the sight of God. This makes it the Last Court of Arbitration until Jesus returns.

 

[ezrider]

All of them! And I use several of these and the NASB. They all say the same thing when they are read in context.

Perhaps then you could tell me which version Abraham used. And I do love the story of Joseph so very much. The way He carried himself in in the service of his slavery is a model to draw from. can you tell me which version of the Bible he used when God spoke to Him. How about Moses. I mean Moses, certainly the deliverer of Israel carried a Bible with him so that he could know how he was to lead the children of Israel out of Egypt. Which version did He use?

And speaking of Moses. Why were the children of Israel looking for a Savior and the promised covenant to begin with? I mean if Jesus came as the Savior to deliver us from death, then why were the children of Israel looking for a the promised Savior then if they had not yet received the commandment of Moses? Why did the children of Israel reject the Lord and His Covenant and instead choose to covenant with God through Moses instead?

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[ezrider]

ez,
This time I'm calling you for putting words in my mouth. You either show me where I said I obey the Law or prove yourself to be lying. Don't draw words out of context but quote at least a paragraph. I have never and I do mean never claimed to be the hrist and He is the only man able to live the Law.

Your calling me out? You are the one who has on multiple occasions on this forum compared me to David Koresh and Jim Jones. I find that to be extremely irresponsible and really quite childish. Should I compare you to Hitler because, well, just because I can. Are you Hitler?

You see how offensive and irresponsible your claim about me is Bill. I asked what does Your Law say about bearing false witness. You have made the statement more than once that I am a David Koresh or a Jim Jones. It time to put up or shut up Bill? Where is your evidence? If your going to make that claim and then stand by it, then you have better start presenting your evidence. Where is my compound Bill? How many followers to I have in my flock Bill? Put up or shut up Bill. Present your evidence if you can Bill.

But you can't present any evidence to back up your claim because you have none Bill. My accuser stands before before me with no evidence to justify his reckless and irresponsible behavior. I am justified in Christ. Get thee behind me.

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[selihah]

Perhaps then you could tell me which version Abraham used. And I do love the story of Joseph so very much. The way He carried himself in in the service of his slavery is a model to draw from. can you tell me which version of the Bible he used when God spoke to Him. How about Moses. I mean Moses, certainly the deliverer of Israel carried a Bible with him so that he could know how he was to lead the children of Israel out of Egypt. Which version did He use?

And speaking of Moses. Why were the children of Israel looking for a Savior and the promised covenant to begin with? I mean if Jesus came as the Savior to deliver us from death, then why were the children of Israel looking for a the promised Savior then if they had not yet received the commandment of Moses? Why did the children of Israel reject the Lord and His Covenant and instead choose to covenant with God through Moses instead?

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Are you saying that you have spirits telling you things and nolonger need the written words? How would you ezrider have known anything written in the book had you not read it from one of the many translations available, including those listed by th1b.taylor?

In my faith those written words are very importnant. I have been taught that if you or anyone tells me something and it does not conform to that which is written I am warned not to be enticed by them and I should at a minimum ignore them. I am also taught by those written words to be wary of those who would add or diminish from those same written words. Also it is written the words Moses and Joshua recorded from the mouth of God shall stand forever.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Perhaps then you could tell me which version Abraham used. And I do love the story of Joseph so very much. The way He carried himself in in the service of his slavery is a model to draw from. can you tell me which version of the Bible he used when God spoke to Him. How about Moses. I mean Moses, certainly the deliverer of Israel carried a Bible with him so that he could know how he was to lead the children of Israel out of Egypt. Which version did He use?

And speaking of Moses. Why were the children of Israel looking for a Savior and the promised covenant to begin with? I mean if Jesus came as the Savior to deliver us from death, then why were the children of Israel looking for a the promised Savior then if they had not yet received the commandment of Moses? Why did the children of Israel reject the Lord and His Covenant and instead choose to covenant with God through Moses instead?

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See, I knew you were trying for your one percenter act, going in. You already know there was only the Oral Version during these time, if you've bothered to study. We find ourselves in one of the Bible Study Strings, once more, and once more you are, against the rules, trying to goad me into a stupid and pointless fight.

Do you suppose this action will make you look more Christ like to the others here naming the name of Christ as their own? This is an unsupportable position, the one you hold on scripture, and I'll say it once more (2Tim. 3:16) All scripture is profitable for us to study or God would not allow the instruction to reside in His Recorded Word, the instructions we are to learn from and use to guide our lives from.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Your calling me out? You are the one who has on multiple occasions on this forum compared me to David Koresh and Jim Jones. I find that to be extremely irresponsible and really quite childish. Should I compare you to Hitler because, well, just because I can. Are you Hitler?

See, there you go again. You consider instruction for your benefit to be slanderous but it is not. I used that comparison because like them, you were taking scripture sounding sayings of your own and presenting them as though they were, in fact, scripture.

 

[th1b.taylor]

You have made the statement more than once that I am a David Koresh or a Jim Jones

There you go again, I did not call you either, I compared you to them because you are using a similar method of teaching. I'll ask it this time, why lie?