I guess you are not understanding what I have said as I agree with you that the whore is distinct from the beast which I thought I explained in post #51.
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Woman on the Beast
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Let us move past this, OK.
This is what I said and will stick to it unless I am proven wrong.
The harlot has always been a political power that rides on the back of the beast that is a pagan religious system from the the first Empire being the Babylonian Empire clear through to the revived Roman Empire today.
When you ride on the back of a horse you control that horse by putting a bit into its mouth and use the reigns to guide it. This is the same beginning with the Babylonian Empire clear through the revived Roman Empire as they are guided by a political power (harlot) as they present a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational and false religious systems.
ezrider
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Isaiah 1:1
Isaiah
The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
Isaiah 1:21
How is the faithful city become an harlot!
it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it;
but now murderers.
Please skip the insistence on a political power for the moment, for she is both a political and religious power.
Can you tell me who is this faithful city that has become a harlot?
ezrider
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Why would God send his own son to hang on a cross to give his blood as a sacrifice for your sins?
ezrider
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You do understand what an IMAGE is, do you not? If I walk into a Catholic Church, would I not see the IMAGE of a MAN hanging upon a Cross. Do you carry a cross? Do you have a picture of "Jesus" in your house?
Hebrews 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Through repentance, crucifying Christ to themselves again and again, putting him to open shame. Would you not consider that to be a name of blasphemy? Do you worship the IMAGE of a MAN of a God? Is it not written you shall make no image?
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man.
Can you love God with all your heart, mind and soul, if you hold for God the IMAGE of a MAN?
That's fine. I'm just saying you changed your position from what you originally described, as I showed.
I disagree with you. The whore has never been the beast. The beast has never been the whore. Your mixture of the two will and does cause confusion.
I understand you are in a tight spot. You have written some sort of book, if I understand correctly, on the subject of (Revelation). No doubt you are presenting your views here that you display in the book or writing. Which means you are bound now to not change those views for any reason.
Point being: you and I are not in agreement.
Quantrill
I truly can not see where I have changed my position. Nothing has changed from my post # 21, 41 and 51.
The beast is the image of "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH". The mother of harlots has always been an evil world system beginning with Babel in which the word Babylon comes from. It's a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational and false religious system that has/is working through the seven remaining nations today with the last Empire being the revived Roman Empire.
Rev Chapter 17 describes this harlot as being Babylon and Rev 18 describes her fall and destruction.
I will answer your question after you answer mine which you have neglected to so here it is again.
Where are the names of blasphemy, the seven heads and ten horns mention in Rev 12:1-6?
ezrider
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See post #66
once again, show me in Rev 12:1-6 where it mentions seven heads and ten horns?
Rev 12 is speaking about God's true Church hiding in the wilderness as God has prepared her a place during the 3 1/2 years reign of the son of perdition that will take it's seat in Jerusalem in the end of days and Jesus instructed us to flee from as He has a place prepared for us, Matthew 24:15-21; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; Rev 13.
What does any of this have to do with Rev 12:1-6 that is written of the true Church of Christ being persecuted and fleeing to the wilderness where God has prepared a place for her.
What blasphemies are being made there and where are the seven heads and ten horns mentioned in Rev 12:1-6.
ezrider
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I answered your question, now answer mine.
In Isaiah 1, who is the faithful city that has become a harlot?
ezrider
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ezrider
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Why are you so hung up now on Rev 12. You asked about names blasphemes.
Is it blaspheme to worship for God the IMAGE of a MAN? Yes or No?
ezrider
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The woman....
Revelation 18:7
How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her:
for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen,
and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Isaiah 47:8-9
And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever:
so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart,
neither didst remember the latter end of it.
Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly,
that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me;
I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
for_his_glory, do happen to see a similarity there?
Revelation 18:8
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death, and mourning, and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Isaiah 47:9-11
But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day,
the loss of children, and widowhood:
they shall come upon thee in their perfection
for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me.
Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee;
and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.
Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth:
and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off:
and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.
Revelation 18:7
How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her:
for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen,
and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Isaiah 47:8-9
And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever:
so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart,
neither didst remember the latter end of it.
Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly,
that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me;
I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
for_his_glory, do happen to see a similarity there?
Revelation 18:8
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death, and mourning, and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Isaiah 47:9-11
But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day,
the loss of children, and widowhood:
they shall come upon thee in their perfection
for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me.
Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee;
and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.
Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth:
and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off:
and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.
Here is my final answer.
You need to understand the Luciferian political system (harlot) that controls this false pagan political/religious system (revived Roman Empire) (beast out of the sea) that gives its power to the beast out of the earth goes way back to Babel. I believe this harlot is possibly Satan himself that has always worked his evil ways through others in order to destroy those who are God's own.
I never said they were if you would have taken the time to actually understand what I have been saying.
Because you said the woman in Rev 12:1-6 is Jerusalem being the harlot in which I disagree as that is not the woman in Rev 12 that I have already explained.