Woman on the Beast

[for_his_glory]

Nope. You failed to identify the faithful city of Isaiah 1 in that post too!

I haven't failed at all. The faithful city is Jerusalem that is the Capitol of Israel that is found in the northern kingdom of Israel. Judah, being the southern kingdom separate from the northern kingdom of Israel has fornicated with the harlot, the tribe of Dan and Ephraim, who have never repented and turned back to God. Judah is not Jerusalem. Study the history.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

In my understanding of Matthew 23:37-39 Jesus was addressing the Pharisees, Scribes and Sadducees who were the elite of Jewish society. They were priest, merchants and aristocrats. They supported the Roman authorities because they enjoyed a privileged status under Roman rule like the two Kings of Israel, King Herod1 and his son King Herod II.​

 

[ezrider]

I haven't failed at all. The faithful city is Jerusalem that is the Capitol of Israel that is found in the northern kingdom of Israel. Judah, being the southern kingdom separate from the northern kingdom of Israel has fornicated with the harlot, the tribe of Dan and Ephraim, who have never repented and turned back to God. Judah is not Jerusalem. Study the history.

Jerusalem was and is the City of David, the city of the King. Jerusalem remained the seat of the southern kingdom, were the kings of Judah continue to reign until they were carried off to Babylon. Before the northern tribes were broken off, Jerusalem was the city of their kings and priests too.

 

[ezrider]

A faithful watchman will look for the man of sin to come who is the son of perdition found in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 as we have been taught by Christ to be not deceived by his lying signs and wonders.

Isaiah 47:10
For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me.
Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee;
and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.


This is your man of sin. Has your wisdom and your knowledge perverted thee? Has strong delusion taken thee?

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.



The man of sin, the son of perdition, sits in the temple of God, and says in his own heart, I am; shewing HIMSELF that he is God. The man of sin does not climb up on some golden throne in a stone temple proclaiming himself to the world. The man of sin reigns in the heart. And know you know what witholdeth, that the mystery of iniquity might be revealed.


Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee;
and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

 

[Quantrill]

I never said they were if you would have taken the time to actually understand what I have been saying.

I understand what you're saying.

Yes, you attribute to the woman that which pertains to the beast. You mix the two.

Mystery Babylon is not the beast. It is the great whore. (Rev. 17:1,5)

All descriptions given of the beast in (Rev. 17:8-13) pertain only to the beast. Not the woman.

You want to merge the two so as to support your use of defining the kings as certain popes, etc. To which I disagree.

That which is described in (Rev. 17:8-13), the beast, hates the woman. (17:16)

That which is described in (Rev. 17:8-13), the beast, will destroy the woman. (Rev. 17:16-17)

Because these are two distinct systems, religious and political, we should not try and mix them when Scripture defines one of them. In my opinion.

Quantrill

 

[for_his_glory]

Jerusalem was and is the City of David, the city of the King. Jerusalem remained the seat of the southern kingdom, were the kings of Judah continue to reign until they were carried off to Babylon. Before the northern tribes were broken off, Jerusalem was the city of their kings and priests too.

I agree and already explained this in my post #101 and see no need to repeat it.

 

[for_his_glory]

Isaiah 47:10
For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me.
Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee;
and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.


This is your man of sin. Has your wisdom and your knowledge perverted thee? Has strong delusion taken thee?

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.



The man of sin, the son of perdition, sits in the temple of God, and says in his own heart, I am; shewing HIMSELF that he is God. The man of sin does not climb up on some golden throne in a stone temple proclaiming himself to the world. The man of sin reigns in the heart. And know you know what witholdeth, that the mystery of iniquity might be revealed.


Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee;
and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

The Man of Lawlessness:
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This temple is a whole new thread so will not discuss it here.

 

[for_his_glory]

I understand what you're saying.

Yes, you attribute to the woman that which pertains to the beast. You mix the two.

Mystery Babylon is not the beast. It is the great whore. (Rev. 17:1,5)

All descriptions given of the beast in (Rev. 17:8-13) pertain only to the beast. Not the woman.

You want to merge the two so as to support your use of defining the kings as certain popes, etc. To which I disagree.

That which is described in (Rev. 17:8-13), the beast, hates the woman. (17:16)

That which is described in (Rev. 17:8-13), the beast, will destroy the woman. (Rev. 17:16-17)

Because these are two distinct systems, religious and political, we should not try and mix them when Scripture defines one of them. In my opinion.

Quantrill

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Notice it is written "Mother" of harlots. As a mother of harlots she would also have daughters that would teach similar abominable doctrines that would be in opposition to what God taught through His Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles.

The reference to Babylon indicates that just as Babylon, the first of our world ruling empires foretold by God in the book of Daniel had spread and enforced its false idolatrous form of worship, so would this woman.

Additionally we are told that this woman is responsible for the deaths of faithful martyr's of Jesus and that this woman is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth, being present day Presidents and political government.

In viewing history from the time of the Babylonian Empire up to the revived Roman Empire that ruled over Jerusalem in the days of Christ and being an independent territory of the Vatican in Rome today has indeed ruled over kings of the earth in the past and the ruling power behind Presidents and Government in every nation today.

The mother and her harlots, being the beast she rides upon, have always disguised themselves as a religious sect, even calling themselves Christians today by name only, but denying the power of Christ. This last worldly ruling power have changed the doctrines of Christ and continue in their pagan ways will continue to make many martyr's in the end of days causing all to renounce Christ and take the mark of this beast and the harlot she rode in on.

The mother has many daughters since the time of Babylon as she is the ruling political power behind her daughters beginning with the Babylonian Empire up to present day Roman Empire.

 

[ezrider]

Notice it is written "Mother" of harlots. As a mother of harlots she would also have daughters that would teach similar abominable doctrines that would be in opposition to what God taught through His Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles.

You are hilarious. Hey, look, see the word mother? Wow. Seems to me you paid no attention to the daughters, until I kept challenging you and brought you to Isaiah 47. Now you act like it was just part of your description the whole time. That is pretty sad in my opinion.

Additionally we are told that this woman is responsible for the deaths of faithful martyr's of Jesus and that this woman is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth, being present day Presidents and political government.

Ah, and where was it the previous POTUS opened an embassy? Oh, that right: Jerusalem.

The mother and her harlots, being the beast she rides upon

This is where you cause confusion in your theories. You have stated over and over again this phrase in one fashion or another, and conflate the Woman with that of the Beast. I believe this is what Quantrill has been pointing out to you as well. You said the Women, BEING the Beast. Those are your words. When you say the mother of harlots, being the beast, you are essentially saying the Woman is the Beast.

That is why I have concentrated on only the Woman, to first establish who the Woman is. Mystery Babylon, riding upon the beast. Was she not first carried away to Babylon by the king of Babylon, who's kingdom was established by God?

 

[ezrider]

The reference to Babylon indicates that just as Babylon, the first of our world ruling empires foretold by God in the book of Daniel had spread and enforced its false idolatrous form of worship, so would this woman.

It was not just the first of the world ruling empires foretold by God. It was the first of the Kingdoms Established by God. You would do well to remember that. He took the Kingdom from Jerusalem, and gave it to another. He carried her away captive to another land, and there told to abide.

 

[for_his_glory]

You are hilarious. Hey, look, see the word mother? Wow. Seems to me you paid no attention to the daughters, until I kept challenging you and brought you to Isaiah 47. Now you act like it was just part of your description the whole time. That is pretty sad in my opinion.

There are times when one has to go back and reread scripture to get a fresh beginning in what I have done this morning. What I posted had nothing to do with anything you have said so far so don't be so pious thinking you led me there as you did not. I was more concentrated on the harlot in all the questions the two of you were asking not thinking about the daughters until I read those verses again.

 

[for_his_glory]

You are hilarious. Hey, look, see the word mother? Wow. Seems to me you paid no attention to the daughters, until I kept challenging you and brought you to Isaiah 47. Now you act like it was just part of your description the whole time. That is pretty sad in my opinion.



Ah, and where was it the previous POTUS opened an embassy? Oh, that right: Jerusalem.




This is where you cause confusion in your theories. You have stated over and over again this phrase in one fashion or another, and conflate the Woman with that of the Beast. I believe this is what Quantrill has been pointing out to you as well. You said the Women, BEING the Beast. Those are your words. When you say the mother of harlots, being the beast, you are essentially saying the Woman is the Beast.

That is why I have concentrated on only the Woman, to first establish who the Woman is. Mystery Babylon, riding upon the beast. Was she not first carried away to Babylon by the king of Babylon, who's kingdom was established by God?

The mother and her harlots, being the beast she rides upon.

Do you not see there "and her harlots". Who else would these harlots be but the four empires.

 

[for_his_glory]

It was not just the first of the world ruling empires foretold by God. It was the first of the Kingdoms Established by God. You would do well to remember that. He took the Kingdom from Jerusalem, and gave it to another. He carried her away captive to another land, and there told to abide.

Where does it say in Daniel Chapter 7 that God established these four empires?
Why would God establish pagan kingdoms!!!

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times. Why, because they rebelled against God going after other gods.

 

[for_his_glory]

Ah, and where was it the previous POTUS opened an embassy? Oh, that right: Jerusalem.

POTUS means President of the United States. In what form are you using this as there are 163 US embassies throughout the world.

 

[for_his_glory]

He took the Kingdom from Jerusalem, and gave it to another. He carried her away captive to another land, and there told to abide.

God never took the kingdom of Jerusalem and carried it away to another land. The Jews allowed Jerusalem to be taken captive because they fell into idolatry worshiping other gods as they allowed themselves to fall from Gods grace as they followed the lust of their own hearts as they practiced Judaism, 1 Kings 9:1-9. God’s judgment against them led them to be captured, 605 – 537 B.C., by Nebuchadnezzar and taken into Babylon for seventy years while Nebuchadnezzar’s army killed many Jews in Judah and Jerusalem destroying the whole city of Jerusalem including the first Temple that was built through King Solomon’s reign in Jerusalem. During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times.

 

[ezrider]

Where does it say in Daniel Chapter 7 that God established these four empires?
Why would God establish pagan kingdoms!!!

Your response tells me much about your understanding, or lack thereof. Why do you ask where in Daniel 7 does it say. Do you limit yourself to only Daniel 7. Do you not accept the other prophets? It the word of Jeremiah no good to you. You tried to pigeonhole me into a specific chapter and verse for an answer before, so I will not even indulge you with a response from Daniel 7.


Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Thus shall ye say unto your masters; I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me. And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him. And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him. And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the Lord, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand. Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon: For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish. But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the Lord; and they shall till it, and dwell therein.

 

[ezrider]

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times. Why, because they rebelled against God going after other gods.

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times.

Revelation 17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.


Why do you suppose the 10 horns HATE the whore?

Jeremiah 26:5
To hearken to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened;

Jeremiah 26:6
Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth.

 

[for_his_glory]

Your response tells me much about your understanding, or lack thereof. Why do you ask where in Daniel 7 does it say.

Maybe it is you that lacks understanding so quit saying others lack understanding as this is a violation of the ToS 1.1 and 1.3 which I have overlooked with you as this will be the last time.

I only use Daniel 7:1-8 because this is Daniel's Vision of the Four Beasts (Empires) listed below. No one else was given this vision or gave great detail of each Empire.

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon. This Empire ran from 2000BC - 1759BC

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire. This Empire ran approximately from 536BC - 330BC

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.
This Empire ran from 753BC -27BC

 

[ezrider]

God never took the kingdom of Jerusalem and carried it away to another land.

Jeremiah 13:19
The cities of the south shall be shut up, and none shall open them: Judah shall be carried away captive all of it, it shall be wholly carried away captive.

Jeremiah 24:1
The Lord shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the Lord, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

Jeremiah 24:5
Thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.


Scripture is pretty clear she was carried away to another land. But you say not so. Perhaps the IMAGE of a MAN holds you back, so that a vail remains upon your heart when it comes to reading the old testament. I am wondering why when you present all of this about the woman and the beast, that you want to tell us all about the Luciferian systems of this present world, but your knowledge of God Kingdom and His hand in these things seems suspicious at best.

 

[ezrider]

Maybe it is you that lacks understanding so quit saying others lack understanding as this is a violation of the ToS 1.1 and 1.3 which I have overlooked with you as this will be the last time.

I only use Daniel 7:1-8 because this is Daniel's Vision of the Four Beasts (Empires) listed below. No one else was given this vision or gave great detail of each Empire.

So you just disregard Jeremiah? What of the scriptures I posted about the King of Babylon? Are you just going to ignore them now?

 

[for_his_glory]

Revelation 17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.


Why do you suppose the 10 horns HATE the whore?

Jeremiah 26:5
To hearken to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened;

Jeremiah 26:6
Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth.

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Part of the multitudes of the ten nations/ten horns that hate the whore are Gods people throughout the earth that were persecuted, but not to death as their fellow servants were. They refuse to bow down and take the mark of this beast being the present day Jesuit Priesthood religious system (whore) with their false prophet (son of perdition) being the Roman Catholic Pontifex Maximus (Pope).

Gods will is that He would that none should perish, 2Peter 3:9, 10. Those who are in Christ and He in them detest this Jesuit Priesthood religious system (whore) and yet while they are imprisoned they still preach the Gospels to those who will finally have ears to hear it preached to them. It’s like that of Paul and Silas when they sang praises to the Lord while in prison, Acts 16:25-31.

It is the patience and endurance of those saints that wait for the coming of the Lord who will take vengeance on those who have persecuted Gods children as their earthly kingdom temporarily belongs to the whore as it has always been in the past until all the words of God be fulfilled. The great city is Vatican City that has gathered all nations unto her self as she is ruled by none other than Satan and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.