Grubal Muruch
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So what is the point, really, in my discussing anything with you?
You just keep saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.
You totally ignore any scripture that states quite clearly what you continue to deny. So I must declare it pointless to discuss anything with you, but will continue to call attention to where you err.
Grubal Muruch
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AMEN!!! He doesn't believe the Scripture...
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savedbygrace57
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glory
lol, you tell me, I am here promoting salvation by Grace apart from works, anything man does, and you deny it, and state that man is saved by what he does, denying salvation by grace. You also deny that Christ's death, which inludes His resurrection, does not save anyone in and of itself !
lol, you tell me, I am here promoting salvation by Grace apart from works, anything man does, and you deny it, and state that man is saved by what he does, denying salvation by grace. You also deny that Christ's death, which inludes His resurrection, does not save anyone in and of itself !
Grubal Muruch
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francisdesales
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I think I made it clear I was not "water baptized" in the nature of the Jews during the first century prior to Jesus Christ coming.
And that is the exact same person described by Peter in 2 Peter 2:20-21.
And they fell away. My point exactly...
Even "true believers" from ten years ago can fall away from the faith.
OSAS is a farce if you mean to say that you are going to heaven based upon something you did ten/twenty/fifty years ago.
Regards
Grubal Muruch
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I'm afraid my dear fellow, you are wrong. I would expect nothing less...
Prentis
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The love of God is to obey his commands... But the modern 'I am saved because the Bible tells me so' prefers to spit on obedience, and call it works. It makes what is good, obeying God, evil.
Is is the hearers of the gospel or those who obey the gospel who are justified?
If we do not obey God, we show that we do not love him. There is a difference of course between hating God and simply being weak, like the publican.
But to us, abundant grace has been made available that we might walk as he walked.
Is is the hearers of the gospel or those who obey the gospel who are justified?
If we do not obey God, we show that we do not love him. There is a difference of course between hating God and simply being weak, like the publican.
But to us, abundant grace has been made available that we might walk as he walked.
Prentis
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I agree with Joe, OSAS is a farce!
"He who endures to the end, he shall be saved"
"To he who overcomes, I will give to eat of the tree of life"
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, for when he has completed it, then he receives the crown of life"
OSAS is a scheme to try and declare ourselves saved on the merits of another. But unless one says EVERYONE is saved, then OSAS is favoritism, it is God arbitrarily choosing people just because...
Rather God gives rain to the wicked and the righteous, and the ones who bear fruit shall be saved (these are the righteous).
"He who endures to the end, he shall be saved"
"To he who overcomes, I will give to eat of the tree of life"
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, for when he has completed it, then he receives the crown of life"
OSAS is a scheme to try and declare ourselves saved on the merits of another. But unless one says EVERYONE is saved, then OSAS is favoritism, it is God arbitrarily choosing people just because...
Rather God gives rain to the wicked and the righteous, and the ones who bear fruit shall be saved (these are the righteous).
Prentis
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To some men, God gives ideal growing situations, to others, he puts them in the desert where they can barely grow.
But to whom much is given, much is expected. According to the measure of grace God gives us, we are expected to produce.
The unfaithful servant is not unfaithful because he didn't believe he would be saved, as a matter of fact, he must of been pretty confident of it to be willing to beat his fellows! Rather he is unfaithful because he did not obey the master.
But to whom much is given, much is expected. According to the measure of grace God gives us, we are expected to produce.
The unfaithful servant is not unfaithful because he didn't believe he would be saved, as a matter of fact, he must of been pretty confident of it to be willing to beat his fellows! Rather he is unfaithful because he did not obey the master.
Grubal Muruch
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It is he, who is "born-again Spiritually" that will be given "eternal life" If your "not" born again you'll not enter the Kingdom of God...After one is born again the works/fruits follow due to the "presence" of the Holy Spirit in one's life... Without the Spirit within you, you are "not saved" nor will you bring forth, good works/fruit... God's Grace is available to ALL of humanity through Christ His Son... The word says, "John 14:6"---"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Works previous to being "born again Spiritually" are of NO use to anyone. The Spirits presence "creates" the works/fruits. After one is born again they are "sealed" by the Spirit and CANNOT lose their salvation... If your looking for your "good deeds" to get you into the Kingdom, you best consider this Scripture, "Matthew 7:22---Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And Matthew 7:23---And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. Faith is what pleases God...God demands faith from those who come to Him...
Prentis
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This is wrong on two counts.
Firstly, then we might as well deny the existence of the unfaithful servant! ;)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. (Hebrews 6)
Firstly, then we might as well deny the existence of the unfaithful servant! ;)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. (Hebrews 6)
Prentis
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Secondly, God saves whom HE wills, not whom we will. Thus he may give eternal life to whom he wishes. We are to walk in eternal life NOW. But those who never knew him, and yet did what is right, will receive eternal life at the end.
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ [........]’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.â€
These are obviously not christian. We know when we feed a brother, they did not.
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ [........]’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.â€
These are obviously not christian. We know when we feed a brother, they did not.
Prentis
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Thus we see that it is true that to whom much is given, much is required. If we have the new nature, Christ in us, more is required of us, not less. It doesn't make us God's favorites, he's no respecter of persons! 
There are four ways in which man may know God. Why? Because some have a revelation of who he is now, and some don't. When men come with the POWER of God, then those to whom they preach are made responsible, which is why Jesus said to those who don't believe him that Sodom and Gomorrah will condemn them on judgment day, because they did not have such a chance.
So those who have a revelation can either be faithful or unfaithful servants.
Those who do not can either be righteous or unrighteous. They could be the good Samaritan!
There are four ways in which man may know God. Why? Because some have a revelation of who he is now, and some don't. When men come with the POWER of God, then those to whom they preach are made responsible, which is why Jesus said to those who don't believe him that Sodom and Gomorrah will condemn them on judgment day, because they did not have such a chance.
So those who have a revelation can either be faithful or unfaithful servants.
Those who do not can either be righteous or unrighteous. They could be the good Samaritan!
Prentis
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The four ways of knowing God could also be put this way:
To know him in name, and in character (these are holy)
To know him in name, but not in character (these are filthy, not keeping their robes clean)
To not know him in name, but to know him in character (these are righteous)
To know him NEITHER in name nor character (these are simply wicked)
The first love God and their neighbour. They are his servants and learn from him. They are his disciples and walk in his power.
The second claim to know him, but they are not like him, and hate their brother. While they claim to be in the light, they are in darkness, and do not obey him.
The third do not know his name, but they love their neighbour, and do what is just with the ability they have (which is weak and limited)
The fourth are wicked; they do not know God, and they do not even love their neighbour.
To know him in name, and in character (these are holy)
To know him in name, but not in character (these are filthy, not keeping their robes clean)
To not know him in name, but to know him in character (these are righteous)
To know him NEITHER in name nor character (these are simply wicked)
The first love God and their neighbour. They are his servants and learn from him. They are his disciples and walk in his power.
The second claim to know him, but they are not like him, and hate their brother. While they claim to be in the light, they are in darkness, and do not obey him.
The third do not know his name, but they love their neighbour, and do what is just with the ability they have (which is weak and limited)
The fourth are wicked; they do not know God, and they do not even love their neighbour.
Grubal Muruch
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1 john 5:13 states, "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
God wants us to be "confidant" in our Salvation...Like I said before, the indwelt Spirit influences the child of God's good works/fruits. Ephesians 1:13-14 states, "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory."
Once we are "sealed" we cannot be "unsealed."
Prentis
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Eternal life is a type of life, and we are called to walk in it.
If it were so, then all the times we are told to persevere, to keep going... They mean nothing! They are silly thoughts!
Rather we have to bear fruit and to choose. John is telling his people that they have this type of life. This is an encouragement to keep going.
He also says that the one in whom God's seed remains does not sin... That is, the new man.
If it were so, then all the times we are told to persevere, to keep going... They mean nothing! They are silly thoughts!
Rather we have to bear fruit and to choose. John is telling his people that they have this type of life. This is an encouragement to keep going.
He also says that the one in whom God's seed remains does not sin... That is, the new man.
Grubal Muruch
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Those that are "truly" born again WILL persevere...Due to the fact they have "The Holy Spirit" in their life...1 John 1:18 states, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." We as "believers" still have this "body of sin" and are capable of sin...1 John 2:1 states, "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
Our sins (as believers are not held against us) except when it comes to "discipline from the Lord." Hebrews 12: 6 states, "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth."
Prentis
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Actually, those who were once enlightened, and those who tasted of the heavenly gift can fall away...
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. (Hebrews 6)
It is the old man who seeks assurance and to save himself, the new man only seek to give his life.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. (Hebrews 6)
It is the old man who seeks assurance and to save himself, the new man only seek to give his life.