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1John 3:9 What does it mean?
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The prophet Zechariah has "coined" or stamped the position of the believer in this way:
Zechariah 9:12
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Zechariah 9:12
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I would only understand that some of you were sold a theological (bill of phony goods) position that you were a devil, who then turned into a child of God. And in most cases quite furiously trying not to turn back into what you think you were prior.
I would submit that there is no such theological animal as a saved DEVIL. That never happened and never will happen.
All of Israel are/were termed Gods children, believer or unbeliever status is irrelevant.
Paul termed us also, all mankind, as "offspring (or genus) of God" in Acts 17, status of believer or unbeliever, irrelevant.
The notion that God spawned children of the devil is "out there" in the world of theology. There never were children of God who were prior devils nor is Satanic salvation even on the books.
I would submit that there is no such theological animal as a saved DEVIL. That never happened and never will happen.
All of Israel are/were termed Gods children, believer or unbeliever status is irrelevant.
Paul termed us also, all mankind, as "offspring (or genus) of God" in Acts 17, status of believer or unbeliever, irrelevant.
The notion that God spawned children of the devil is "out there" in the world of theology. There never were children of God who were prior devils nor is Satanic salvation even on the books.
Please reference the appropriate Scripture for opposing viewpoints. Opinions come and go like the wind. See Forum Guidelines.
Those who are in Christ, but are walking in the flesh, and practicing the works of the flesh will surely be condemned... as these will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Romans 8:1
...For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Romans 8:6
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
This warning is to Christians, that is, those who are in Christ.
JLB
I sold on the truth of the scriptures that teach us death spread to all men, through the sin of Adam.
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned--
Romans 5:12
Because all sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God, we are in need of a Savior.
We are under the rule of Satan, as god of this world and the dominion of darkness, until we repent [turn to God] and believe the Gospel.
THEN we are delivered from the dominion of darkness, and translated into the kingdom of God.
13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13-14
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13 NASB
Because we were born into the line of Adam, with a sin nature, doesn't mean we were "spawned from Satan".
JLB
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If anyone can specifically prove Satanic/devil salvation from the scriptures I'd be surprised to see it, because it doesn't exist.
Yet we appear to have at least two posters in this thread who seem to think they were devils, prior? Seriously?
Are we really "out there" witnessing, trying to save DEVILS?
Yet we appear to have at least two posters in this thread who seem to think they were devils, prior? Seriously?
Are we really "out there" witnessing, trying to save DEVILS?
When are you going to address the scriptures I posted, rather than making up complete nonsense.
Which Kingdom were you born into, when your mother gave birth to you?
The kingdom of God or the kingdom of the god of this world?
The truth of the scriptures that teach us death spread to all men, through the sin of Adam.
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned--
Romans 5:12
Because all sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God, we are in need of a Savior.
We are under the rule of Satan, as god of this world and the dominion of darkness, until we repent [turn to God] and believe the Gospel.
THEN we are delivered from the dominion of darkness, and translated into the kingdom of God.
13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13-14
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13 NASB
Because we were born into the line of Adam, with a sin nature, doesn't mean we were "spawned from Satan", and are a devil.
JLB
As I've explained before, the branches, cutting off and grafting in are all metaphors in an agricultural economy. The point is that the Jews, who thought of themselves as God's chosen people, had been cast off in the sense of not being productive for God. That's what "casting off" refers to. There is NOTHING there to indicate hell. Only imaginations that do not understand the FACT that Paul defined what he meant by 'gift' in Rom 11:29 back in 3:24 and 5:15,16,17 for justification and 6:23 for eternal life. Those are the gifts already defined that Paul meant when he penned 11:29.
And once a person believes, they receive eternal life, which is IRREVOCABLE. This is irrefutable.
Uh, when a believer sins, he sins from his "flesh", which has been corrupted by Satan's deception. So in that sense, of course we are acting like Satan's children.
The believer acts like God's child when he functions from the new nature under the power and influence of the Holy Spirit.
The believer acts like Satan's child when he functions for the old sinful nature.
How are these 2 statements wrong, if you disagree?
Correct. Now, the burden of proof for the conditional security ilk is to provide verses that clearly describe how anyone can be removed from being "in Christ". They have to go to passages about "abiding", which is a fellowship issue. Because NO ONE has the power or authority to remove themselves from being "in Christ".
It is utter arrogance to think that one can remove themself from being "in Christ". Scripture never says anything close to that idea. Jesus was clear about who holds onto who in John 10:28. The Father holds onto the believer.
As such, the believer is powerless to relmove themselves from the Father's hand.
And, that ilk won't face the truth that justification and eternal life are gifts of God that are irrevocable.
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I might observe that we have dramatically different sights, for which there is no remedy that I can tell. I prefer to see myself as Paul saw himself, so Paul is the measure that I try to apply, personally. Paul was self deprecatory in the extreme sense. Very few like to follow his lead/trail.
I certainly wouldn't deny any of that or any scripture for that matter. Nor do I believe that christians become sinless after belief. I might even think it can become much worse, into the conditions of the pharisees. I know because I've been in those pharisee shoes too, as "the great sin hunter."
But when this trail went dead and cold with my own internal evil thoughts, which can not be truthfully eliminated, I was forced to re-examine my basis of understanding. AND, I found the scriptural ground that was there from the start, that all of us are both good and evil, internally, to which Paul "personally" testified. And thank God for the anchor of facts he threw out there to "release" me from lying to myself. I no longer make excuses or coverups for the workings of the tempter, internally.
And your view in this is what? That people are devils? Or that people are Gods children, presently blinded by the god of this world, the power of Satan. Count me solidly in the latter sight.
Glad you clarified that. It would be impossible for Adam to be a child of the devil because Adam was in fact Gods son, even though Adam was bound into the conditions I've highlighted earlier in this thread, just as we ALL are, even after salvation.
We do not escape the present conditions of being a sinner, of being planted in weakness, dishonor, corruption and a natural body who have to deal internally with the spirit of disobedience, no matter how much Rosy Scripture we try to heap upon ourselves.
I've often observed here, that if a man, like Paul, stepped into the pulpit, and revealed the things about himself as Paul did, the "believers" wouldn't give him half an ear. Most prefer "better actors." They might not be so fond of a guy with Paul's credentials on the "ill" side of the ledgers.
But I think what Paul presented is astounding. Particularly his "personal disclosures" of ME in Romans 9:19-21. That is simply astounding Spiritual Revelation, which are directly from The Spirit of Truth.
The very FACT that are no verses that describe any believer being removed from being "in Christ" proves this theory to be incorrect. And no one who has been justified (a gift of God, per Rom 3:24 and 5:15,16,17), which is an irrevocable gift per Rom 11:29, will be condemned. The Bible SAYS SO: Rom 5:1 - There is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ.
Only if the Bible described believers who had been removed from union with Christ would your opinion be correct.
But the Bible specifically states that those who believe are sealed with the Holy Spirit FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION in Eph 1:13. It couldn't be more clear.
Your views are not supported by Scripture.
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You would be better to see me as an ally in your sight because I am. There is no way that Jesus ever leaves a believer or will not save them.
Those who call upon our Lord shall be saved, no matter what. Nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ. Nothing. Not even other believers who seek to cast down other believers to [potential] eternal hell on the basis of sin, which same we all have, regardless of religious pastes applied to FEIGN the contrary.
Is this thread open?
I like what is being said here.
We must also love our brother.
How many Christians hold grudges against people?
No forgiveness.
Forgiveness was received, forgiveness we must give.
"And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us....".
We must also love our brother.
How many Christians hold grudges against people?
No forgiveness.
Forgiveness was received, forgiveness we must give.
"And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us....".
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Nope, must be closed, not sure why our post are showing up. Very strange if you ask me.
This thread is now open.
Go get 'um Mike.
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It's a page 6. If they have not got it figured out by now, there is no help for them. I am not even sure what the Thread is about.
Mike.