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Here is a reminder for you, Lyric's Dad of who brought Universal Reconciliation into the thread, and continued to promote it throughout the recent postings:Solo said:Where were we debating UR? I thought we were discussing the fallacy of TULIP and the limited atonement lie?Lyric's Dad said:[quote="bbas 64":145df]I thought the doctrive of UR was banned here???
Peace to u,
Bill
Lyric's Dad said:Well, this is one place we will NEVER come to an agreement at. I will never reconcile God being a forever torturer with His statement that He IS love. They are not compatible. And as for Spurgeon? I could care less what he thought. He is fallible and not the One I follow.
Just thought since you claim to follow Jesus, quoting him in scripture with the correct translation would be something that would edify your walk and correct any error that you may be holding on to. The Word of God teaches the truth for those who are in error. My post has nothing to do with Universal Reconciliation. I think Universal Reconciliation is a topic banned on this forum, therefore, I will teach the truth that Jesus teaches. Jesus teaches in Matthew 25 about the eternal destiny of the sheep and goats. They both go to two different places, one group to eternal life, and the other group to eternal punishment. When folks understand their eternal destiny without Jesus is going to be a terrible price to pay for a temporary period of sinful pleasure, they will seek out Jesus Christ for salvation.
Let us not teach lies for the truth of God's Word, especially when Jesus is so plain and precise as to the eternal destiny of each person born of the flesh.
Now for some history of this thread. The very first post that referred to Universal Reconsiliation was the following:
cubedbee said:The "L" is false, Christ died for all, and nothing in the Bible indicates otherwise.
The next post to promote Universal Reconciliation is also from cubedbee with the following post:
cubedbee said:The Scripture says it so many times I’m honestly surprised you could be asking me this.
1 Timothy 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
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Wow, that’s an awfully pride-filled statement. I’m going to trust the Lordâ€â€he did in fact come to save all as is clearly evidenced in the Scripture, and I know God will never fall short in anything he wills.
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Yes, I agree with this. The difference is, I don’t limit the scope of God’s power.
The next post promoting Universal Reconciliation is from Lyric's Dad with the following post:
Lyric's Dad said:Amen Cubed. That is the truth and there is nothing that can come against it.
I find it reprehensible for some to reduce God to a being that would create some humans for the sole purpose of burning them. That is maniacal and not in any form a loving thing.
Then comes another from Lyric's Dad that continues with further promotion of Universal Reconciliation:
Lyric's Dad said:LOL!! You find some peace in such a statement?
Sorry, my God is not a charles manson type who sat down with an evil grin and put together little creatures so He could use them as firewood to keep it burning. Yeah, that just sounds a little sick.
God even condemned the pagan groups who made their children walk through the fire. Hey, at least those people let their kids die in the fire. According to the L, God created people for the sole purpose of forever listening to them cry in torment. Sorry, that is not a God but a demon.
My God said He is love. I am a finite being and can see that this type of thing is not at all loving. I, as a sinner and a wretch could never do that to anyone, not even my worst enemy so am I to believe that the One who IS perfect love could? No freaking way. Jesus is love, not hate and I will never believe otherwise, even if some calvin wants me to.
Next is a response to bbas 64 from Lyric's Dad:
Lyric's Dad said:Well, this is one place we will NEVER come to an agreement at. I will never reconcile God being a forever torturer with His statement that He IS love. They are not compatible. And as for Spurgeon? I could care less what he thought. He is fallible and not the One I follow.
Then cubedbee sets out on further Universal Reconciliation promotion in this post:
cubedbee said:The verses I posted do in fact say that. The exact phrase "he came to save all" doesn't occur, nor does the exact word Trinity, but both are clearly taught. I posted the verses--they refer to salvation. If you think they do not, what are they referring to?
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"Wow, that’s an awfully pride-filled statement. I’m going to trust the Lordâ€â€he did in fact come to save all as is clearly evidenced in the Scripture, and I know God will never fall short in anything he wills.
Assertion, yopu have not provided a passage that says "he came to save all"
And you haven't provided one that says "He did not come to save all" So what? I provided verses that convey my assertion that Christ came to save all(yes, there are synonyms for save used in the Bible), while you in fact have not provided evidence for your assertion . You have to prove that "his people" refers to a limited number of people, instead of all people.
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Are all people saved??
Not currently.
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Is it Gods will that all people be saved?
Yes, it is. Does it get clearer than this?
1Ti 2:3-4 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
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How have I limted the power of God?? He uses his power to SAVE HIS PEOPLE.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Peace to u,
Bill
You've limited it by implying that HIS PEOPLE are only a limited number of people who meet whatever set of criteria you have in your head, instead of all of humanity as God has made clear throughout the Scripture. I am taking the words at their face value--God wills that all be saved, Christ died for all, my God is omnipotent, the power of Christ's death cannot be resisted, therefore all will be saved. Any other "interpretation" is a pure denial of the Scripture.
After all of this Universal Reconciliation promotion in the thread specifically posted for the 5 points of Tulip, I posted Jesus teaching on the eternal position of sheeps and goats in Matthew 25.
Cubedbee answers my post with the following Universal Reconciliation post:
cubedbee said:Your first paragraph is absolute truth. Your second paragraph is not, it is a mistranslation into English, it takes something that is a finite age that Christ will ultimately end when he accomplishes God's will, a will that cannot be resisted or twarted, and falsely portrays it as eternal, a portrayal which makes a liar out of God and makes him powerless over sin, unable to ultimately conquer it even though he wills it. I will not deny God's sovereignty, God's omnipotence. Neither will I deny hell. The only way to reconcile these two is two correctly translate Aionios as an age, one of finite duration, a meaning which is definitely valid for the word and which is definitely used in certain Bible passages.
And then Lyric's Dad comes out of the pretense of not knowing the promotion of Universal Reconciliation, a false doctrine that he buys into, with the following response to bbas 64:
[/quote:145df]Lyric's Dad said:Where were we debating UR? I thought we were discussing the fallacy of TULIP and the limited atonement lie?
Good Day, Solo
This is a great wrap up in exposing of the content of this thread, and the horrid view asserted by some here known as UR.
Peace to u,
Bill