A different approach at disproving OSAS

[John Zain]

In the passage (Hebrews 6:4-12) we see that these people can not be brought BACK to repentance. The means they were once repentant, but who through the laziness of faithlessness, and the inability of that faith to persevere to the end, DO NOT inherit the kingdom of God.

We see that the sign of the faith that perseveres to the end and saves a person is the faith that can be seen in it's fruitfulness, not it's fruitlessness. It's says it quite plainly. And it's impossible to suggest these fruitless ones were never saved to begin with. It says they were.

Jesus stresses the consequences of being unfruitful ...

John 15:
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself,
unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit;
for without Me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;
and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire,
and it shall be done for you.
8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Translation of the above ...

Jesus' true disciples are Christians who abide in Him and bear much fruit.
Christians who do not abide in Jesus are taken away and thrown into the fire.
Christians who do not bear fruit are cast out and thrown into the fire.

 

[George Muller]

If that's true then the 'saved' the passage refers to isn't even talking about salvation itself...further negating the passage as one that proves unfruitful 'believers' will be saved from eternal damnation despite their unfruitfulness.

Glad you admit your mistake, but you seem to go from one mistake to another?

What are you talking about? I'm showing you the obvious error of your mistake.

Of course the passage speaks of those who attempt to build upon the truth of Christ...

No. The thing that is being built is the building of God (1 Corinthians 3:9 NIV).

As the Bible itself describes, the foundation is Christ, then the Apostles and Prophets (?), then the rest of us (reference upon request). The workers in this building are fitting and setting blocks in place on this foundation. Some blocks simply do not belong there. They will be found out at the Judgment when all pass through the fire. The faithful, the genuine, will survive. The false, the perishable, those unable to pass through God's judgment, those made of wood, hay and stubble, will be purged from the kingdom (Matthew 13 or there abouts?).

The ones' who placed those perishable, disingenuous stones in place will not receive the reward of a non-perishable stone in the building of Christ. It doesn't affect their own salvation, but they have nothing to show for the effort of their work in the building of God's kingdom (1 Thessalonians 2:19 NASB). Thus the reason for Paul's desire for them to be shown the truth and built up into something that will be saved, not built up into something that will not be saved and not be a reward for him in the kingdom.

...those things that are judged and will not last are the efforts of mans religion, and the works of flesh that many religious people seek to boast in. But even in that their works of religion and "lawkeeping" etc... have no eternal value, they themselves are not destroyed with their "dead" works.

As you can see, this is not at all what the 'work' of 1 Corinthians 3 is. The work being referred to--Paul's and others work--is the Corinthians themselves:

"Are you (Corinthians) not my work in the Lord? " (1 Corinthians 9:1 NASB)


I love this stuff, but don't have as much time to devote to it as I want. Chiming in as I can....

I MADE NO MISTAKE, but you seemed to admit yours? do you now change your view again? So the truth of the building IS CHRIST, and no mans work can be established upon His foundations unless He works that work in and through His Grace working through those who are to build upon His foundations. All of mans efforts and religious works are rejected and burned away for they are as "dung" before the Lord God and ONLY THAT which is wrought through the Spirit of God is acceptable and eternal.

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 ¶ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

This is pretty basic biblical knowledge, edited

 

[George Muller]

In the passage (Hebrews 6:4-12) we see that these people can not be brought BACK to repentance. The means they were once repentant, but who through the laziness of faithlessness, and the inability of that faith to persevere to the end, DO NOT inherit the kingdom of God.

We see that the sign of the faith that perseveres to the end and saves a person is the faith that can be seen in it's fruitfulness, not it's fruitlessness. It's says it quite plainly. And it's impossible to suggest these fruitless ones were never saved to begin with. It says they were.

Jesus stresses the consequences of being unfruitful ...

John 15:
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself,
unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit;
for without Me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;
and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire,
and it shall be done for you.
8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Translation of the above ...

Jesus' true disciples are Christians who abide in Him and bear much fruit.
Christians who do not abide in Jesus are taken away and thrown into the fire.
Christians who do not bear fruit are cast out and thrown into the fire.

Who is unfruitful but those who labor in the flesh and by the law? Its only those who walk in the Spirit by faith alone that produce the fruits of the Spirit. Those who look to judge and condemn other believers are not in the Spirit, but in the flesh and cannot please God.

 

[Deborah13]

You mean those who turn from the "true righteousness" of faith in Christ, and turn back to the false righteousness of works of law "the strength of sin" cannot be restored

No, I am speaking of the specific scripture that I quoted and only that scripture in the context of the book of Hebrews.

You should understand the whole book of Hebrews is speaking of those who turn from "The Spirit of Grace" back into the "willing sin" of the law.(FOR THE STRENGTH OF SIN IS THE LAW) The sin of the Book is clearly the sin of unbelief (FOR THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH) So then they that turn from faith back to the law are those that cannot be restored for in that they attempt to crucify Christ again.

I see this as ONLY, if they turn to the Law as atonement for sin. In other words, that the Law is the true faith in God for atonement for sin, rather than "by grace, through faith, not of works".
It is the condition of the heart that is determined here.

So I agree that it is the sin of unbelief, in the blood of Lamb, as the only atonement for sin.

Without the blood of Jesus, sin has not been atoned.

 

[ezra]

This 1 Corinthians 3 passage is not a passage proving you can be fruitless but still be saved on the Day of Judgment.

It does not say "THE DAY OF JUDGMENT" that's your mistaken understanding, the "day" is the light of His Glory and truth, which judges all things.

its the bema judgement seat--judgement of our works

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What are you talking about? I'm showing you the obvious error of your mistake.

Of course the passage speaks of those who attempt to build upon the truth of Christ...

No. The thing that is being built is the building of God (1 Corinthians 3:9 NIV).

As the Bible itself describes, the foundation is Christ, then the Apostles and Prophets (?), then the rest of us (reference upon request). The workers in this building are fitting and setting blocks in place on this foundation. Some blocks simply do not belong there. They will be found out at the Judgment when all pass through the fire. The faithful, the genuine, will survive. The false, the perishable, those unable to pass through God's judgment, those made of wood, hay and stubble, will be purged from the kingdom (Matthew 13 or there abouts?).

The ones' who placed those perishable, disingenuous stones in place will not receive the reward of a non-perishable stone in the building of Christ. It doesn't affect their own salvation, but they have nothing to show for the effort of their work in the building of God's kingdom (1 Thessalonians 2:19 NASB). Thus the reason for Paul's desire for them to be shown the truth and built up into something that will be saved, not built up into something that will not be saved and not be a reward for him in the kingdom.

...those things that are judged and will not last are the efforts of mans religion, and the works of flesh that many religious people seek to boast in. But even in that their works of religion and "lawkeeping" etc... have no eternal value, they themselves are not destroyed with their "dead" works.

As you can see, this is not at all what the 'work' of 1 Corinthians 3 is. The work being referred to--Paul's and others work--is the Corinthians themselves:

"Are you (Corinthians) not my work in the Lord? " (1 Corinthians 9:1 NASB)


I love this stuff, but don't have as much time to devote to it as I want. Chiming in as I can....

I MADE NO MISTAKE, but you seemed to admit yours? do you now change your view again?

Help me know what my view was and what I am changing it to now.

But anyway...

As I've been saying, the 'work' in 1 Corinthians 3 is the Corinthians themselves--the so-called Body and building of Christ. Just as anybody's work in a field or a building (1 Corinthians 3:9 NASB) is the field and the building itself, not the person who did the work. So Paul's work, as even he himself says, is the Corinthians, not himself! That doesn't even make sense. When one's work is tested you go to the work you have done, not to the person who did it!

The labor Paul and others are performing is placing living stones into the Body and household of Christ:

"5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:5 NASB)

19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit." (Ephesians 2:19-22 NASB)

Paul is doing this work of building the building of God among the Corinthians. Placing each of the Corinthians on the foundation of Christ, the Apostles, and the Prophets. But if he is teaching a false gospel to them (which he is being accused of doing by them) what reward will be his for building them up into something in the body and building of Christ that doesn't really belong there and will be burned up at the Judgment when everything false will be purged by fire from the kingdom of God (Matthew 13:49-50 NASB)?


So you see this is not a proof text that one can be fruitless because of unbelief (whether you ever believed, or not) and still be saved, but rather this is a text to show that false 'stones' built into the kingdom of God in this age (which are really just hay and stubble and wood) will be burned up because they are not made of the imperishable--that which can survive the fires of the Judgment to come.

Paul warns us that it is important that workers in the field and building of God build people up into that which really can survive the judgment. False gospels, like 'you can be fruitless because of unbelief and still be saved', can not and will not build a person up into a planting in the field of God, or a stone in the building of Christ that will survive the fires of the Judgment to come.

So the truth of the building IS CHRIST, and no mans work can be established upon His foundations unless He works that work in and through His Grace working through those who are to build upon His foundations. All of mans efforts and religious works are rejected and burned away for they are as "dung" before the Lord God and ONLY THAT which is wrought through the Spirit of God is acceptable and eternal.

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 ¶ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

This is pretty basic biblical knowledge, edited

It is simple Bible, but it has been unrightly divided from the rest of the Bible to mean something in the church that it is not, so that now the only thing 'simple' about what is taught is it is 'simply' not what Paul was trying to say. Worst of all this twist on the passage is used to defend the false and damnable teaching--one which can not build someone up into that which will survive the fires of the Judgment--that fruitless soil, and thorns and thickets will inherit the kingdom.

 

[John Zain]

Those who look to judge and condemn other believers are not in the Spirit,
but in the flesh and cannot please God.

You say this because you have no idea why the Lord has called pastors, evangelists, etc.
(And we won't even mention prophets, who are generally more anointed than these two.
I repeat that we won't even mention them.)

The Scriptures are chuck full of warnings/threats (of all kinds) to believers.

I am just passing these on ... doing the job that most churches are not doing.
And like the prophets were rejected, I am also.

 

[reba]

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

[ezra]

You say this because you have no idea why the Lord has called pastors, evangelists, etc.
(And we won't even mention prophets, who are generally more anointed than these two.

since you know please feel free to tell us.. as i am a pastor.. maybe i am missing something

 

[Eugene]

Is fruit that which is keeping us from Judgment? What judgment? the Great White Throne, or the Judgment Seat of Christ which we're before at this present time? Yeah, judgment begins at the house of God. :yes

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Is there even the need of forgiveness with such commitment to righteousness? 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." What? :crazy

 

[George Muller]

Those who look to judge and condemn other believers are not in the Spirit,
but in the flesh and cannot please God.

You say this because you have no idea why the Lord has called pastors, evangelists, etc.
(And we won't even mention prophets, who are generally more anointed than these two.
I repeat that we won't even mention them.)

The Scriptures are chuck full of warnings/threats (of all kinds) to believers.

I am just passing these on ... doing the job that most churches are not doing.
And like the prophets were rejected, I am also.

So are you claiming to be a pastor-prophet sent to this forum? Not sure what biblical authority you think God grants to judge and condemn other believers? You do not have this authority and God has not called you to warn anyone:toofunny

 

[George Muller]

What are you talking about? I'm showing you the obvious error of your mistake.




No. The thing that is being built is the building of God (1 Corinthians 3:9 NIV).

As the Bible itself describes, the foundation is Christ, then the Apostles and Prophets (?), then the rest of us (reference upon request). The workers in this building are fitting and setting blocks in place on this foundation. Some blocks simply do not belong there. They will be found out at the Judgment when all pass through the fire. The faithful, the genuine, will survive. The false, the perishable, those unable to pass through God's judgment, those made of wood, hay and stubble, will be purged from the kingdom (Matthew 13 or there abouts?).

The ones' who placed those perishable, disingenuous stones in place will not receive the reward of a non-perishable stone in the building of Christ. It doesn't affect their own salvation, but they have nothing to show for the effort of their work in the building of God's kingdom (1 Thessalonians 2:19 NASB). Thus the reason for Paul's desire for them to be shown the truth and built up into something that will be saved, not built up into something that will not be saved and not be a reward for him in the kingdom.




As you can see, this is not at all what the 'work' of 1 Corinthians 3 is. The work being referred to--Paul's and others work--is the Corinthians themselves:

"Are you (Corinthians) not my work in the Lord? " (1 Corinthians 9:1 NASB)


I love this stuff, but don't have as much time to devote to it as I want. Chiming in as I can....

I MADE NO MISTAKE, but you seemed to admit yours? do you now change your view again?

Help me know what my view was and what I am changing it to now.

But anyway...

As I've been saying, the 'work' in 1 Corinthians 3 is the Corinthians themselves--the so-called Body and building of Christ. Just as anybody's work in a field or a building (1 Corinthians 3:9 NASB) is the field and the building itself, not the person who did the work. So Paul's work, as even he himself says, is the Corinthians, not himself! That doesn't even make sense. When one's work is tested you go to the work you have done, not to the person who did it!

The labor Paul and others are performing is placing living stones into the Body and household of Christ:

"5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:5 NASB)

19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit." (Ephesians 2:19-22 NASB)

Paul is doing this work of building the building of God among the Corinthians. Placing each of the Corinthians on the foundation of Christ, the Apostles, and the Prophets. But if he is teaching a false gospel to them (which he is being accused of doing by them) what reward will be his for building them up into something in the body and building of Christ that doesn't really belong there and will be burned up at the Judgment when everything false will be purged by fire from the kingdom of God (Matthew 13:49-50 NASB)?


So you see this is not a proof text that one can be fruitless because of unbelief (whether you ever believed, or not) and still be saved, but rather this is a text to show that false 'stones' built into the kingdom of God in this age (which are really just hay and stubble and wood) will be burned up because they are not made of the imperishable--that which can survive the fires of the Judgment to come.

Paul warns us that it is important that workers in the field and building of God build people up into that which really can survive the judgment. False gospels, like 'you can be fruitless because of unbelief and still be saved', can not and will not build a person up into a planting in the field of God, or a stone in the building of Christ that will survive the fires of the Judgment to come.

So the truth of the building IS CHRIST, and no mans work can be established upon His foundations unless He works that work in and through His Grace working through those who are to build upon His foundations. All of mans efforts and religious works are rejected and burned away for they are as "dung" before the Lord God and ONLY THAT which is wrought through the Spirit of God is acceptable and eternal.

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 ¶ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

This is pretty basic biblical knowledge, edited

It is simple Bible, but it has been unrightly divided from the rest of the Bible to mean something in the church that it is not, so that now the only thing 'simple' about what is taught is it is 'simply' not what Paul was trying to say. Worst of all this twist on the passage is used to defend the false and damnable teaching--one which can not build someone up into that which will survive the fires of the Judgment--that fruitless soil, and thorns and thickets will inherit the kingdom.

Well what someone else may think these scriptures mean, have nothing to do with the clear and evident points that I have made, That it is "work" mentioned and that work is not of mans effort but of grace, that many will "think" their work to have value, but it will not because it did not proceed from grace but from the flesh. This is the warning of this passage and has nothing to do with the 'day of judgment" as you first tried to establish, but seem to have withdrawn from?

 

[iLOVE]

Saying the salvation prayer doesn't get a person into heaven! To get into heaven as stated in the "Book of Acts" you must believe. Jesus has said, "He weighs the heart, not your works".

Proverbs 21:2 NIV, Proverbs 16:2 NIV, Proverbs 24:12 NLT, Luke 16:15 NLT

 

[George Muller]

Saying the salvation prayer doesn't get a person into heaven! To get into heaven as stated in the "Book of Acts" you must believe. Jesus has said, "He weighs the heart, not your works".

Proverbs 21:2 NIV, Proverbs 16:2 NIV, Proverbs 24:12 NLT, Luke 16:15 NLT

Really good scriptures and I would add "AS A MAN THINKS IN HIS HEART, SO IS HE" All New Covenant obedience if from the heart and that of faith and love. For nothing profits but faith working by love. God in His wisdom has bypassed the flesh of men, which can not work righteousness, and put His law in our hearts, thus all obedience must come from the heart.

 

[ezra]

john i am waiting on a answer please

 

[Jethro Bodine]

All New Covenant obedience if from the heart and that of faith and love. For nothing profits but faith working by love. God in His wisdom has bypassed the flesh of men, which can not work righteousness, and put His law in our hearts, thus all obedience must come from the heart.

And so when faith ceases, and as a result the works of faith cease, a person is still saved? That's how secure salvation is? You show me where the Bible says that, and I'll show you where it says that if faith ceases so does the promise of salvation.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Is fruit that which is keeping us from Judgment?

Only in the sense that fruit is the evidence of having passed from death to life.

Having no fruit and being sure you are saved is like being bone dry but being sure you went swimming.

What judgment?

The judgment where the righteous are separated from the unrighteous at the end of the age. The judgment spoken about in the scriptures I shared. Jesus used several parables to explain that coming judgment...bad and good fish, tares and wheat, those that have their wedding clothes on and those who do not, oil lamps that are full and those that are not, those who brought increase to what they were given and those who did not.

All will appear before God for judgment and will go either to the left, or to the right, their works being the evidence presented that will either acquit or condemn them in regard to whether or not they have been justified by faith in Christ. Fruitless people will be condemned, while fruitful people will enter the kingdom. Again, the fruit is not what 'earns' the righteousness required to enter the kingdom. The fruit is the expected and obligatory evidence that accompanies a profession of faith, just as being wet is the expected and obligatory evidence that accompanies a profession of having gone swimming.

 

[George Muller]

All New Covenant obedience if from the heart and that of faith and love. For nothing profits but faith working by love. God in His wisdom has bypassed the flesh of men, which can not work righteousness, and put His law in our hearts, thus all obedience must come from the heart.

And so when faith ceases, and as a result the works of faith cease, a person is still saved? That's how secure salvation is? You show me where the Bible says that, and I'll show you where it says that if faith ceases so does the promise of salvation.

Well of course when one turns from grace to law, then they have turned from faith "for the law is not of faith" I believe God has made room for many who are mislead into these errors and have strayed from faith, back to legalism. But I cannot say at what point He rejects these people who turn from "the way of righteousness" and turn as dog to its vomit, a sow to its wallow? In grace a believer cannot be moved, for it is by grace that a believer stands. Does this answer your question?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

All New Covenant obedience if from the heart and that of faith and love. For nothing profits but faith working by love. God in His wisdom has bypassed the flesh of men, which can not work righteousness, and put His law in our hearts, thus all obedience must come from the heart.

And so when faith ceases, and as a result the works of faith cease, a person is still saved? That's how secure salvation is? You show me where the Bible says that, and I'll show you where it says that if faith ceases so does the promise of salvation.

Well of course when one turns from grace to law, then they have turned from faith "for the law is not of faith" I believe God has made room for many who are mislead into these errors and have strayed from faith, back to legalism. But I cannot say at what point He rejects these people who turn from "the way of righteousness" and turn as dog to its vomit, a sow to its wallow? In grace a believer cannot be moved, for it is by grace that a believer stands. Does this answer your question?

Not really. You're confusing me by suggesting a believer CAN fall from grace and suggesting they can not fall from grace at the same time. OSAS says a believer can not fall from grace. They are always and irretrievably saved by God's grace.

The Galatians were saved. They had the Holy Spirit. Yet Paul warns them of falling from grace and making Christ of no value to them, being severed from Him, if they abandon their faith in Christ for justification and rely on the law to be justified. OSAS says it is impossible for this to happen to Spirit-filled saved Christians.

 

[George Muller]

All New Covenant obedience if from the heart and that of faith and love. For nothing profits but faith working by love. God in His wisdom has bypassed the flesh of men, which can not work righteousness, and put His law in our hearts, thus all obedience must come from the heart.

And so when faith ceases, and as a result the works of faith cease, a person is still saved? That's how secure salvation is? You show me where the Bible says that, and I'll show you where it says that if faith ceases so does the promise of salvation.

Well of course when one turns from grace to law, then they have turned from faith "for the law is not of faith" I believe God has made room for many who are mislead into these errors and have strayed from faith, back to legalism. But I cannot say at what point He rejects these people who turn from "the way of righteousness" and turn as dog to its vomit, a sow to its wallow? In grace a believer cannot be moved, for it is by grace that a believer stands. Does this answer your question?

Not really. You're confusing me by suggesting a believer CAN fall from grace and suggesting they can not fall from grace at the same time. OSAS says a believer can not fall from grace. They are always and irretrievably saved by God's grace.

The Galatians were saved. They had the Holy Spirit. Yet Paul warns them of falling from grace and making Christ of no value to them, being severed from Him, if they abandon their faith in Christ for justification and rely on the law to be justified. OSAS says it is impossible for this to happen to Spirit-filled saved Christians.

No the scriptures are clear, do I need to post them? That is those who seek to be justified by law, that have fallen from grace and are "cut-off" from Christ. This is those who are cut-away from the Vine. In grace a believer cannot be separated from Christ- ITS IMPOSSILBE.