A discussion on TOTAL DEPRAVITY

Your ignorance of Church history is LEGION. The apostate church needed to be REFORMED BACK to the New Covenant Gospel. Remember the 5 "Solas" of the Reformation:

Christians are saved by ...
  • grace alone,
  • through faith alone,
  • in Christ alone,
  • as revealed by Scripture alone,
  • to the glory of God alone.
Ephesians 2:8-9 [NKJV] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

That is the New Testament Gospel (anything else is not "GOOD News").

"Church History" is nothing more than man's opinion.

The truth of scripture is here and now.

Either you follow Christ or you follow man...



JLB
 
My point was there is value in the council of many

Yes council is good when the point you to follow Christ.

Maybe go back and what I wrote about this.

Either you follow Christ and His teachings or you follow man.



JLB
 
Yes council is good when the point you to follow Christ.

Maybe go back and what I wrote about this.

Either you follow Christ and His teachings or you follow man.



JLB
Just Christs teachings or the entire of Scripture?
 
  • No one can come to Me [Total Inability of man to choose Christ]
  • unless the Father who sent Me [Unconditional Election of God to 'show mercy on whom He will show mercy']
  • draws him; [Irresistible Grace of God effectually draws man to salvation in the Son]
  • and I will raise him up at the last day. [Preservation of Saints, by God, from Predestination through Glorification.]
Reformed Theology is the doctrine of a man ... Jesus Christ ... as revealed from His lips in John 6:44 [NKJV].
Now the question is: Why do you NOT BELIEVE what scriptures (and the lips of God's only Son) say?
We believe Him.

Let me know when you find that scripture that says ...

Reformed Theology is a doctrine that God gave to man.


Why would God need "another" doctrine, other than the doctrine of Christ?


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 9-10


  • If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him


JLB
 
Teachers are to teach men to follow Christ, by example.

Following (obeying) His doctrine is part of that mandate.

  • Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

Following (keeping) His commandments is also part of that mandate.

  • He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

“I know Him” is the biblically correct way of saying “I have eternal life”.


Having Christ is having eternal life; He is the life.


My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28


Hearing and following Him, because we know Him, because we have Him, because we are joined to Him as one spirit with Him, results in receiving eternal life at the end of the narrow road that “leads to life”, in which no one is able to snatch us out of His hand.

We receive eternal life, eternal salvation, at the end of our faith; as an end result of our faith.


If you don’t understand this concept, let me know and I will explain it further with more scripture.







JLB
In all my theology books, written by men teachers that God has given to the church, they develop scripture and explain as the bible instructs should happen. people who are ignornant of good study material are clueless how many verses are used in these books.
 
No attack, just scripture.

Something "Reformed Theology" avoids.
I challenged you to find one Reformed Doctrine you found unscriptural. Dude:
Premise 1: there's thousands of statements Reformed theology has made to pick from
Premise 2: JLB says Reformed Theology is unscriptural
Premise 3: I challenged JLB to stop being a loud megaphone with no substance and give examples of unbiblical Reform statements.
Premise 4: Crickets (silence) for JLB
Conclusion: :nono The emptiest trash can makes the most noise :nono
 
The New Covenant.
Did you know that Jesus taught Reformed Theology?

Many here have pointed that out to you using Scripture, but you refuse to believe it.

You do not live by the teachings of Christ as you claim or you would understand the Doctrines of Grace that Christ and the entire Bible teach.
 
I challenged you to find one Reformed Doctrine you found unscriptural. Dude:
Premise 1: there's thousands of statements Reformed theology has made to pick from
Premise 2: JLB says Reformed Theology is unscriptural
Premise 3: I challenged JLB to stop being a loud megaphone with no substance and give examples of unbiblical Reform statements.
Premise 4: Crickets (silence) for JLB
Conclusion: :nono The emptiest trash can makes the most noise :nono

JLB will deflect as usual.
 
Did you know that Jesus taught Reformed Theology?

Many here have pointed that out to you using Scripture, but you refuse to believe it.

You do not live by the teachings of Christ as you claim or you would understand the Doctrines of Grace that Christ and the entire Bible teach.

Why would Christ need to reform His doctrine?
 
I challenged you to find one Reformed Doctrine you found unscriptural. Dude:
Premise 1: there's thousands of statements Reformed theology has made to pick from
Premise 2: JLB says Reformed Theology is unscriptural
Premise 3: I challenged JLB to stop being a loud megaphone with no substance and give examples of unbiblical Reform statements.
Premise 4: Crickets (silence) for JLB
Conclusion: :nono The emptiest trash can makes the most noise :nono

OSAS


Now provide the scripture where Jesus or His Apostles mentioned "Reformed Theology".

What needs to be Reformed about Christ's doctrine?
 
Either you follow Christ or you follow man...
You follow your own teachings, therefore you follow man's teachings.

Reforms teachings are a reorganization/summation of God's word and although you say they are false, yet you can't come up with one thing you disagree with .... Hey, I will help you:
Reform theology says we are saved by FAITH ALONE
JLB says we are saves by FAITH + WORKS
... there, why don't you go with that

Aside: I could be wrong, JLB has repeating said we must do this and that (various works) to be saved; granted, he may not have articulated his viewpoint well so I stand to be corrected.

Hey, I have to go for a day... I am sure that if you finally belly up to the table (put your money where your mouth is) and state a Reformed Doctrine you find is unscriptural ... that atpollard OR electedbyhim will be able to respond (teach you truth) ...
 
You follow your own teachings, therefore you follow man's teachings.

Reforms teachings are a reorganization/summation of God's word and although you say they are false, yet you can't come up with one thing you disagree with .... Hey, I will help you:
Reform theology says we are saved by FAITH ALONE
JLB says we are saves by FAITH + WORKS
... there, why don't you go with that

Aside: I could be wrong, JLB has repeating said we must do this and that (various works) to be saved; granted, he may not have articulated his viewpoint well so I stand to be corrected.

Hey, I have to go for a day... I am sure that if you finally belly up to the table (put your money where your mouth is) and state a Reformed Doctrine you find is unscriptural ... that atpollard OR electedbyhim will be able to respond (teach you truth) ...

Still no scripture.

Thanks for making my point
 
Your statement was obtuse ... I assume you want to debate Once Saved Always Saved. You didn't even say your stance ..anyways (Aside: I don't know if the forum allows us to talk about OSAS.... since you use to enforce the forum rules I assume it is OK?)

You go first. Tell us why you think there is a fair chance that you will go to hell. Please use scripture!

(as I said, I have to go baby sit for a day .... but I am sure another of my reformed brothers will be happy to correct you)
 
Let me know when you find that scripture that says ...

Reformed Theology is a doctrine that God gave to man.
2tim3:16-17,Jude 3
Why would God need "another" doctrine, other than the doctrine of Christ?
because false ideas and doctrine appeared even in the times of the Apostles Acts.20:
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 9-10


  • If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him
That is what "reformed doctrine" is all about.
 
OSAS


Now provide the scripture where Jesus or His Apostles mentioned "Reformed Theology".

What needs to be Reformed about Christ's doctrine?
Reformed means...setting things right.
Do you know all the times Jesus taught, your fathers said, but I say unto you...that is reformed teaching. men get it wrong, solid men reform the error.
You and others have many parts wrong,JLB, but we will help you :confused2
 
Your statement was obtuse ... I assume you want to debate Once Saved Always Saved. You didn't even say your stance ..anyways (Aside: I don't know if the forum allows us to talk about OSAS.... since you use to enforce the forum rules I assume it is OK?)

You go first. Tell us why you think there is a fair chance that you will go to hell. Please use scripture!

(as I said, I have to go baby sit for a day .... but I am sure another of my reformed brothers will be happy to correct you)

No scripture again?

When are you going to adress the scriptures that I posted?

Again

Teachers are to teach men to follow Christ, by example.

Following (obeying) His doctrine is part of that mandate.

  • Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

Following (keeping) His commandments is also part of that mandate.

  • He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

“I know Him” is the biblically correct way of saying “I have eternal life”.


Having Christ is having eternal life; He is the life.


My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28


Hearing and following Him, because we know Him, because we have Him, because we are joined to Him as one spirit with Him, results in receiving eternal life at the end of the narrow road that “leads to life”, in which no one is able to snatch us out of His hand.



JLB
 
Reformed means...setting things right.
Do you know all the times Jesus taught, your fathers said, but I say unto you...that is reformed teaching. men get it wrong, solid men reform the error.
You and others have many parts wrong,JLB, but we will help you :confused2

What part of the doctrine of Christ needs to be set right?
 
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