Are Christians missing out if they don't speak in tongues?

[Cornelius]

Marvelous LOL
The ones who do not speak in tongues, says they are not missing out on something that they have never done.

Do you guys actually care what the Lord says about the benefit ?
Guess not

C

Cornelius, do you believe tongues is for everyone? Is that Biblical?

I've never spoken in tongues and I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything because of it. I truly believe that if the Lord wanted me to speak in tongues, He would provide that ability. If I don't speak in tongues, it is because the Lord has not chosen me for it, not because I don't care about the benefits.

Yes tongues are for all believers.

You must understand that you cannot know what you are missing, if you have never experienced it.

The Lord has already provided the ability , through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He really has done His part.

We do not speak in tongues , because bad leadership has taught their flocks not to trust the Bible anymore. The church is very worldly at the moment and also without power. Its not a supernatural church anymore. You have to agree, because I am sure you see this too.

The Lord says He is not a respecter of persons , so He chose everybody that receive the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues.

Just remember that most people attack tongues through ignorance. I do not want to offend by saying this, but its true. God says MY people (Christians are HIS people) are ignorant and that is why they perish.

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I also will forget thy children.

Isa 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity for lack of knowledge; and their honorable men are famished, and their multitude are parched with thirst.

This discussion is a good example of where the doctrine of man has killed the Word of God. That is why there are only 144000 "virgins" in Revelation. Virgins are those who do not adhere to the doctrines of men and believe the Word. They follow the Lamb wherever He goes. In their mouth there is no lie (the only speak the Word (truth) ) The modern church with its human views and doctrines have been feeding the people of God their own "seed" and we see the result all around us.

Jer 12:10 Many shepherds have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

Jer 3:14 Return, O backsliding children, saith Jehovah; for I am a husband unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
Jer 3:15 and I will give you shepherds according to my heart, who shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.


Sad , but true. We are the result of these shepherds. That is why the Lord says to those who have ears to hear:Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues:


Jer 10:21 For the shepherds are become brutish, and have not inquired of Jehovah: therefore they have not prospered, and all their flocks are scattered.

 

[Cornelius]

Marvelous LOL
The ones who do not speak in tongues, says they are not missing out on something that they have never done.

Do you guys actually care what the Lord says about the benefit ?
Guess not

C

I believe in gifts from God! I believe I am blessed with the spirit of discernment among other things.

Praise God

 

[Cornelius]

Does anybody ever think in tongues?

No, but I pray in tongues without opening my mouth. I can pray all day long , while I work and while I am busy with other things.

1Th 5:17 pray without ceasing;

 

[Cornelius]

Cornelius, would you be able to interpret these tongues for me? Do you have the gift of interpretation?

[youtube:3kfx7i7d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOr_bT0mOk[/youtube:3kfx7i7d]

No I do not have the gift of interpretation.

 

[Cornelius]

Dave, I think the Lord is speaking to you about the Holy Spirit at the moment brother. You must go to Him and wait on Him with an open heart. He wants to do something in your life.

blessing
your brother
C

 

[GojuBrian]

Cornelius, would you be able to interpret these tongues for me? Do you have the gift of interpretation?

[youtube:288dny19]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOr_bT0mOk[/youtube:288dny19]

dave, regarding your this video....oh lord!!

Kenneth Copeland, need I say more?

 

[Jon-Marc]

Marvelous LOL
The ones who do not speak in tongues, says they are not missing out on something that they have never done.

Do you guys actually care what the Lord says about the benefit ?
Guess not

C

What benefit is that? Be sure to use scripture, if you can find any. I have read the Bible through several times and studied much of it, and I have yet to find anywhere that it says that speaking gibberish is necessary. The "new tongue" I speak is one of praise instead of cursing. If tongues "languages" are used in church, there has to be an interpreter. Otherwise, they must remain silent. What edifying does it do for the believers if someone gets up and speaks something they don't understand without an interpreter?

 

[JoJo]

Cornelius, you say that speaking in tongues is for all believers. I ask again, is that Biblical? I don't believe it is and I will explain.

You say, "The Lord has already provided the ability, through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He really has done His part." Are you saying that everyone who has the Holy Spirit has the gift of tongues? If so, why doesn't everybody have the corresponding gift of interpretation?

1 Corinthians 12:4 tells us that "there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit."

1 Corinthians 12:8-11 explains some of the various gifts:

"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

This passage tells me that not everyone has the same gift.

 

[Cornelius]

Cornelius, you say that speaking in tongues is for all believers. I ask again, is that Biblical? I don't believe it is and I will explain.

You say, "The Lord has already provided the ability, through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He really has done His part." Are you saying that everyone who has the Holy Spirit has the gift of tongues? If so, why doesn't everybody have the corresponding gift of interpretation?

1 Corinthians 12:4 tells us that "there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit."

1 Corinthians 12:8-11 explains some of the various gifts:

"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

This passage tells me that not everyone has the same gift.

Because you have been taught that there is only one kind of tongues. You leadership has taught you something that is not true and you are now confused.

Simple;
1) Gift of tongues (just for use in the church, not everybody has that. I certainly do not have the gift of tongues)
2) Prayer language : ALL can have it.

1Co 14:18 I thank God, I speak with tongues more than you all: (YOU ALL )

1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be assembled together and all speak with tongues,
1Co 14:5 Now I would have you all speak with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: and greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

ALL can speak in tongues. You have been mislead by your shepherds and you are in confusion about the gifts.
I am not more special than you, heaven forbid. I am just a normal guy, but I was simple enough to believe God.

C

 

[Cornelius]

What benefit is that? Be sure to use scripture, if you can find any. I have read the Bible through several times and studied much of it, and I have yet to find anywhere that it says that speaking gibberish is necessary. The "new tongue" I speak is one of praise instead of cursing. If tongues "languages" are used in church, there has to be an interpreter. Otherwise, they must remain silent. What edifying does it do for the believers if someone gets up and speaks something they don't understand without an interpreter?

Now here is the benefit according to the Bible. And yes, I can find it. Maybe you just missed it.

1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself;

Now any sane person would wonder how for instance (if this meant that we must speak a human language that is unknown to us ) a language like Russian could possibly edify a Christian when he speaks it. So its not telling us that a strange human language is edifying us, but that the unknown tongue of the Spirit is edifying us.

That is a Biblical fact.

C

 

[JoJo]

Because you have been taught that there is only one kind of tongues. You leadership has taught you something that is not true and you are now confused.

Simple;
1) Gift of tongues (just for use in the church, not everybody has that. I certainly do not have the gift of tongues)
2) Prayer language : ALL can have it.

1Co 14:18 I thank God, I speak with tongues more than you all: (YOU ALL )

1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be assembled together and all speak with tongues,
1Co 14:5 Now I would have you all speak with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: and greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

ALL can speak in tongues. You have been mislead by your shepherds and you are in confusion about the gifts.
I am not more special than you, heaven forbid. I am just a normal guy, but I was simple enough to believe God.

Where in the Bible does "tongues" mean "prayer language?"

 

[Cornelius]

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

"speaking unto God" is prayer.
C

 

[cyberjosh]

Cornelius, would you be able to interpret these tongues for me? Do you have the gift of interpretation?

dave, regarding your this video....oh lord!!

Kenneth Copeland, need I say more?

As an interesting side note regarding Kenneth Copeland I grew up liking him alot because of a cool movie that he acted in, a Christian Western, named "Covenant Rider" (see here), that was absolutely excellent. But I never really have listened to his preaching so my liking him was pretty much confined to what I saw in the video and his short message to the audience after the video. Regardless of whether you like Kenneth Copeland or not though, if you like Westerns and movies with good Christian moral lessons (not to mention a good plot and convincing villains) then I highly recommend Covenant Rider.

Here is a picture of the cover:

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Wow, just recalling that was a total blast from the past... Interesting.

 

[radorth]

Tongues lets you speak and pray to God in ways your mind will try to inhibit. On the other hand there are Christians who speak in tongues that really don't get what Jesus was about.

It's a desirable gift but not evidence of any kind of spiritual growth in itself. It's a low level gift that some pass off as evidence of spiritual superiority. Of course I consider the modern church so sadly sick, that any gift is a plus.

Hence the question is somewhat simplistic. There is no yes or no answer to it. Beware of asking it looking for excuses for devaluing the 9 gifts of the Spirit, which Paul said we should covet earnestly-- not for personal gain but for the edification of the body.

Rad

 

[stranger]

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

"speaking unto God" is prayer.
C

Hi Cornelius,

Is 'no man understandeth' because the tongue (language) is not interpreted (ie no one has the gift of interpretation in the above context)? or Is it because the tongue (language) is the language of angels which no man knows or understands?

blessings

 

[Dave Slayer]

Where in the Bible does "tongues" mean "prayer language?"

It doesn't. It makes no sense to say "tongues is a prayer language". That would not be using proper English. The word "tongue" (singular) means one language. The word "tongues" (plural) means more than one language. Therefore you cannot say "tongues (plural) is a prayer language (singular)."

Tongue = One language
Tongues = More than one language

 

[follower of Christ]

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

"speaking unto God" is prayer.
C

Ok then....KEEP it between YOURSELF and God
Problem solved ...




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[follower of Christ]

Cornelius, you say that speaking in tongues is for all believers. I ask again, is that Biblical? I don't believe it is and I will explain.
C

And yet Paul lays out rules for tongues in general and does NOT give TWO sets of rules for tongues but ONE.
So even if there are two kinds of tongues the RULES apply to ALL uses of this gift, and not ALL will speak in tongues as not all have that gift.


Here we see that the gifts are distributed by the Holy Spirit and each person receives different gifts.

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom;
to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit;
to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles;
to another prophecy;
to another discerning of spirits;
to another divers kinds of tongues;
to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
For the body is not one member, but many.

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

And God hath set some in the church,
first apostles,
secondarily prophets,
thirdly teachers,
after that miracles,
then gifts of healings,
helps,
governments,
diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
(1Co 12:1-31)

 

[follower of Christ]

Now here is the benefit according to the Bible. And yes, I can find it. Maybe you just missed it.

1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself;

Now any sane person would wonder how for instance (if this meant that we must speak a human language that is unknown to us ) a language like Russian could possibly edify a Christian when he speaks it. So its not telling us that a strange human language is edifying us, but that the unknown tongue of the Spirit is edifying us.

That is a Biblical fact.

C

Ok then, edify YOURSELF and OBEY the clear rules for tongues in the assembly.
Again, problem solved.

 

[follower of Christ]

Yes tongues are for all believers.

False. And you defy Paul in the matter when he shows that not all do speak in tongues.
YOU add that absurdity, not scripture.

We do not speak in tongues , because bad leadership has taught their flocks not to trust the Bible anymore.

No, we dont all speak in tongues because not all have that sign gift...nor do many have it at all *IF* even at all today to begin with.
We dont trust YOUR fallacious interpretation and misuse of the bible.

The Lord says He is not a respecter of persons , so He chose everybody that receive the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues.

Im sorry, WHERE is this stated in scripture again ?
Ive shown CLEAR scripture that shows that NOT all will have that gift, but YOU keep claiming otherwise. You have burden of proof here, poster, if you intend to make such claims.

You are simply ripping the cited passage out of context. That He is no respector of persons has NOTHING to do with giving every gift to every person.
If that nonsense logic were accurate we should all be parting Seas and beating down armies with the jawbones of donkeys.

Just remember that most people attack tongues through ignorance.
I do not want to offend by saying this, but its true. God says MY people (Christians are HIS people) are ignorant and that is why they perish.

No, we TEST the false claims of those with unscriptural agendas.