Are Christians missing out if they don't speak in tongues?

[Alabaster]

Ive SEEN the effects of SINCERE prayer..and I'll take the sincere prayer of my wife in ENGLISH over anyone playing righteous and pushing tongues any day.

What about YOUR prayer?

All I can see in your last couple of posts is a critical spirit pointing fingers at people and calling, "Hypocrite"! Obviously not open or teachable in this area.

 

[follower of Christ]

Ive SEEN the effects of SINCERE prayer..and I'll take the sincere prayer of my wife in ENGLISH over anyone playing righteous and pushing tongues any day.

What about YOUR prayer?

uh gee...what part of MY WIFE and I pray did you miss ?

What I find VERY humorous is that your fallacy has been shot down in flames and instead of dealing with the ACTUAL issue here, that a woman who HASNT spoken in tongues has healed someone with prayer, you try to divert attention to some other point that you THINK you can run with to distract from the facts here.

My prayers are not the topic of this discussion and I have nothing to prove here.
My prayers stay IN my prayer closet...is that unclear for you ?


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[Alabaster]

Ive SEEN the effects of SINCERE prayer..and I'll take the sincere prayer of my wife in ENGLISH over anyone playing righteous and pushing tongues any day.

What about YOUR prayer?

uh gee...what part of MY WIFE and I pray did you miss ?

What I find VERY humorous is that your fallacy has been shot down in flames and instead of dealing with the ACTUAL issue here, that a woman who HASNT spoken in tongues has healed someone with prayer, you try to divert attention to some other point that you THINK you can run with to distract from the facts here.

My prayers are not the topic of this discussion and I have nothing to prove here.
My prayers stay IN my prayer closet...is that unclear for you ?


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Nothing's been shot down at all!

Healing and speaking in tongues are two separate gifts. NOT speaking in tongues is nothing to brag about. Nor is healing results of prayer.The power is from God--it has nothing to do with your wife, excapt that she surrenders to the Holy Spirit's working through her. That is exactly what a person who is speaking in tongues does.

 

[follower of Christ]

Every instance in Scripture where someone was baptized with the Holy Spirit, they spoke in tongues or in the Spirit.

And again this ISNT the ENTIRE scope of information.
In ACTS there are just a handful of instances of Spirit baptism in the BEGINNING of the church age and in those cases we see that men were AMAZED at seeing the tongues....PRECISELY what the SIGN gift of tongues was for...for a SIGN to those who BELIEVE NOT !

I know you want to hide in a couple verses in Acts chap, but we ARENT going to allow you to hide away there.
If you want to discuss tongues the REST of the information WILL be revealed for the READERS here.

Paul CONCLUSIVELY shows that not all WILL speak in tongues anymore than ALL are apostles.
That SOME in the early church DID speak in tongues does NOT nulllify what Paul later presents in the matter. Even if YOU cannot handle the facts.


Here we see that the gifts are distributed by the Holy Spirit and each person receives different gifts.
It is also made very clear that not all will speak in tongues any more than all are apostles.

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom;
to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit;
to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles;
to another prophecy;
to another discerning of spirits;
to another divers kinds of tongues;
to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
For the body is not one member, but many.

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

And God hath set some in the church,
first apostles,
secondarily prophets,
thirdly teachers,
after that miracles,
then gifts of healings,
helps,
governments,
diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
(1Co 12:1-31)

 

[follower of Christ]

Nothing's been shot down at all!

not in YOUR mind because you have convinced yourself and cannot see anything beyond what your doctrine will allow you to see.

Healing and speaking in tongues are two separate gifts.

uh....yeah ? :crazy
And BOTH ARE gifts that are distributed as HE wills, not as WE demand.
And clearly He does NOT distribute tongues to ALL believers

NOT speaking in tongues is nothing to brag about.

Ill take quiet sincerity and faith over some antiquated sign gift any day, poster.

Nor is healing results of prayer.

huh...guess you read a different bible.

And the prayer of faith will cure the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up. And if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.
(Jas 5:15)

The power is from God--it has nothing to do with your wife, excapt that she surrenders to the Holy Spirit's working through her.

Man you people READ INTO anything you see, dont you ?
NO ONE SAID that it has a single thing to DO with my wife other than her prayers are SINCERE.

And the prayer of faith will cure the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up. And if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.
(Jas 5:15)

That is exactly what a person who is speaking in tongues does.

WHEN they actually speak in a tongue as given by the SPIRIT.
The problem is that GODS word does NOT show that ALL will do so and very conclusively shows that ALL will not do so anymore than ALL will be apostles...

And God hath set some in the church,
first apostles,
secondarily prophets,
thirdly teachers,
after that miracles,
then gifts of healings,
helps,
governments,
diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles?
are all prophets?
are all teachers?
are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing?
do all speak with tongues?
do all interpret?
But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
(1Co 12:1-31)

 

[follower of Christ]

absolutely astounding.

Alabaster:
"Nor is healing results of prayer.

Seems like these folks dont even READ their entire bibles or something.

And the prayer of faith will cure the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up. And if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.
(Jas 5:15)

 

[Imagican]

Incorrect Alabaster,

I haven't read a single word that you have offered concerning this subject that has ANY bearing on the TRUTH. So, in essence, what has been offered concerning your posts HAS been 'shot down in flames'.

You will BELIEVE what you CHOOSE to believe regardless of the TRUTH. So, we accept that. But there's really no need to continue to debate unless it's for the simple sake of 'arguement'.

Either you were MEANT to understand or you WERN'T. And if you fit in the later choice then don't feel like 'the lone Ranger'. For you will CERTAINLY find MORE in THAT camp than the FIRST choice.

If you care to READ my posts concerning this issue, the TRUTH has been offered. Now it's up to YOU to be able to accept it. I have NOT offered the truth. Paul did about two thousand years ago. All I have done it POINT IT OUT.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[follower of Christ]

I'll be back later this evening.
Id rather spend some time with my grandson than waste the whole day bickering with cherry picking tongues pushers.

Y'all have a nice afternoon

 

[Anth]

Gentlemen,

Regardless of which is you is right - do you see a genuine manifestation of the Holy Spirit from either one you - banging away as you are - over some ideology.....????

I don't

Best,
In the Spirit of Christ,
Anth

 

[follower of Christ]

Gentlemen,

Regardless of which is you is right - do you see a genuine manifestation of the Holy Spirit from either one you - banging away as you are - over some ideology.....????

I don't

Best,
In the Spirit of Christ,
Anth

And that really bothers me, friend ;)
What you 'see' or dont see is irrelevant since you have no clue who any of us are or what occurs in our daily lives.

 

[Alabaster]

Nothing's been shot down at all!

not in YOUR mind because you have convinced yourself and cannot see anything beyond what your doctrine will allow you to see.

God has shown me the truth of His Word. I am not defending doctrine.

Healing and speaking in tongues are two separate gifts.

uh....yeah ? :crazy
And BOTH ARE gifts that are distributed as HE wills, not as WE demand.
And clearly He does NOT distribute tongues to ALL believers

All Spirit-baptized believers can pray in tongues--they just don't. All Spirit-filled believers have the Grace Gift of praying in tongues whereby we speak TO God. Paul speaks of doing it all the time and wishes that everyone would. Not all are gifted with the Ministry Gift whereby they speak to the people in prophetic words which are messages FROM God that require interpretation.

NOT speaking in tongues is nothing to brag about.

Ill take quiet sincerity and faith over some antiquated sign gift any day, poster.

Mocking the Holy Spirit isn't very quiet sincerity of faith.

Nor is healing results of prayer.

huh...guess you read a different bible.

I gather you misunderstood my comment--I meant that neither is the healing results of prayer anything to be bragging about--least of all bragging about your wife's spirituality.

Obviously you are simply dying to be rude and jumped right in there...

The power is from God--it has nothing to do with your wife, excapt that she surrenders to the Holy Spirit's working through her.

Man you people READ INTO anything you see, dont you ?
NO ONE SAID that it has a single thing to DO with my wife other than her prayers are SINCERE.

How nice. I should hope so.

That is exactly what a person who is speaking in tongues does. [/b]

WHEN they actually speak in a tongue as given by the SPIRIT.
The problem is that GODS word does NOT show that ALL will do so and very conclusively shows that ALL will not do so anymore than ALL will be apostles...

It is obvious that you do not know the difference between a prayer language and the ministry gift of tongues.

 

[Alabaster]

Incorrect Alabaster,

I haven't read a single word that you have offered concerning this subject that has ANY bearing on the TRUTH. So, in essence, what has been offered concerning your posts HAS been 'shot down in flames'.

It's just ignorance that thinks it has shot someone down.

You will BELIEVE what you CHOOSE to believe regardless of the TRUTH. So, we accept that. But there's really no need to continue to debate unless it's for the simple sake of 'arguement'.

I know the truth, and I believe it.

Either you were MEANT to understand or you WERN'T. And if you fit in the later choice then don't feel like 'the lone Ranger'. For you will CERTAINLY find MORE in THAT camp than the FIRST choice.

I am far from alone in this. Millions of us know the truth about tongues and live it.

If you care to READ my posts concerning this issue, the TRUTH has been offered. Now it's up to YOU to be able to accept it. I have NOT offered the truth. Paul did about two thousand years ago. All I have done it POINT IT OUT.

Blessings,

MEC

I don't accept your insufficient version. I accept God's version throgh dear Paul.

 

[Alabaster]

absolutely astounding.

Alabaster:
"Nor is healing results of prayer.

Seems like these folks dont even READ their entire bibles or something.
[quote:23g17os2]And the prayer of faith will cure the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up. And if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.
(Jas 5:15)

[/quote:23g17os2]

GOOD GRIEF! I take it your knowledge of grammar is lacking. Neither...nor, or NOT...nor is a perfectly good way of speaking--read in context, please:

NOT speaking in tongues is nothing to brag about. Nor is healing results of prayer.

Please re-read and adjust your thinking appropriately.

 

[follower of Christ]

God has shown me the truth of His Word. I am not defending doctrine.[/b]

Oh please. Every false teacher I cross says the same thing

All Spirit-baptized believers can pray in tongues--they just don't.

Im sorry...where again are the CHAPTER and VERSE for this nonsense assertion ?
You just make up any tripe you want and we're supposed to buy it without your PROVING it ?????
Sorry, not interested. Show me the money, friend.
The bible says nothing of the sort.

Mocking the Holy Spirit isn't very quiet sincerity of faith.

Mockery of false teachers, however, is to be expected.
Ill ask you AGAIN for the CHAPTER and VERSE that SAYS that ALL believers will pray in tongues.
When you cant provide it I think we'll see that you are just making up anything you feel to.

I gather you misunderstood my comment--I meant that neither is the healing results of prayer anything to be bragging about--least of all bragging about your wife's spirituality.

I suggest, poster, that you learn the difference between YOUR boasting about yourself and your supposedly speaking in tongues and my simply stating fact about my wifes prayer SANS tongues and the effects of that prayer.

Obviously you are simply dying to be rude and jumped right in there...

Find a mirror.

[quote:3hrfhaz9]The power is from God--it has nothing to do with your wife, excapt that she surrenders to the Holy Spirit's working through her.

[/quote:3hrfhaz9]
Dont play semantics games with me chap.
*I* gave CLEAR scripture about prayer and healing. What have YOU provided that SAYS anything in any CLEAR manner ?

It is obvious that you do not know the difference between a prayer language and the ministry gift of tongues.

I do know, however, when someone is making up unscriptural garbage that they CANNOT support with GODS word and passing it off as truth ;)

 

[follower of Christ]

I am far from alone in this. Millions of us know the truth about tongues and live it.

Yeah, we've seen what those tongues pushers do and how godlessly and unscripturally they behave. We've all seen the video.

I don't accept your insufficient version. I accept God's version throgh dear Paul.

No, you accept your TWIST of the texts because the TEXTS VERY clearly show that not ALL will speak in tongues any more than ALL will be apostles.
YOU are the one who changes what the BIBLE actually says to make your fallacy work.
Maybe you better read it again....

Here we see that the gifts are distributed by the Holy Spirit and each person receives different gifts.
It is also made very clear that not all will speak in tongues any more than all are apostles.

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom;
to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit;
to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles;
to another prophecy;
to another discerning of spirits;
to another divers kinds of tongues;
to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
For the body is not one member, but many.

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

And God hath set some in the church,
first apostles,
secondarily prophets,
thirdly teachers,
after that miracles,
then gifts of healings,
helps,
governments,
diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles?
are all prophets?
are all teachers?
are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing?
do all speak with tongues?
do all interpret?
But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
(1Co 12:1-31)

 

[follower of Christ]

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[follower of Christ]

Im going to put this in each of the tongues threads so no one misses it.

Another issue that I find VERY odd is that these in Matthew 7 who are told that Jesus NEVER knew them have some very peculiar aspects to them.

"Not everyone who keeps saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will get into the kingdom of heaven, but only the person who keeps doing the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!'"
(Mat 7:21-23)

These believed that they WERE His, but for all their supposed miraculous acts they WERENT.
No claims are being made, but it is peculiar to see that the way that these folks DEFENDED themselves was by the their exhibiting the SIGN gifts, as tho that was some sort of evidence that they were Christs.

 

[Alabaster]

God has shown me the truth of His Word. I am not defending doctrine.[/b]

Oh please. Every false teacher I cross says the same thing

Then you cannot differentiate betweeen a false and true teacher of the Word.

I will not be responding to you as you are offensive and rude, and are just eager to rake people over your own coals. The witness of a loving spirit is not in your posts--only critical judgment.

 

[Alabaster]

GOOD GRIEF! I take it your knowledge of grammar is lacking. Neither...nor, or NOT...nor is a perfectly good way of speaking--read in context, please:

good grief....learn to SAY what you MEAN chap.
YOU said;
[quote:1x3xgc5f]Alabaster:
"Nor is healing results of prayer.

*IF* you didnt MEAN what you said then you SHOULDNT have SAID IT !
The SCRIPTURE shows that you are WRONG...

And the prayer of faith will cure the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up. And if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.
(Jas 5:15)

You were wrong and instead of simply admitting it you need to deflect somehow...thats all I see.

Next round ?[/quote:1x3xgc5f]

I said what I meant in plain English--you must develop reading skills. I never said, "Nor is healing the result of prayer", or I would have said something else was "not the result of prayer" by the use of the word, "nor". Look, mate, I am an editor, and I know how to write well. You have misread my post and must accept that. If not--oh well!

Stop being hateful. Your posts haver an evil taste to them.

 

[follower of Christ]

Then you cannot differentiate betweeen a false and true teacher of the Word.

I can READ Gods word for myself chap and use that to discern those who are preaching lies. We are to TEST ALL things, including what anyone asserts.