H, you can't say things like in your last sentence. It's against tos.
I checked out the "terms of use" again and couldn't find anything like what you seem to refer to.
I understand what you mean about John 6 some being of sinners and some being of believers.
But let me ask you this:
Why do we need an advocate with the Father?
If you understand it, don't you realize that not all have used the Advocate yet ?
Those in Christ, and walking in the light-God, have already used it.
John is informing all that the Advocate is still available to those still walking in darkness-sin.
1 John 2:1 refers to the persons to whom Paul is writing as CHILDREN.
Paul is writing to believers.
Paul states IF ANYONE SINS, they have an advocate. Why do we need one?
1 John 2:1
1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
He didn't say..."If
my little children sin, we have an advocate..."
He said..."If
any man sin, we..."
I DO understand your perspective.
This is what happens when we take ONE PART of the NT and concentrate totally on that...
We forego all the other verses that we don't agree with.
If you understand it, which verse of 1 John 1 apply to those who no longer commit sin ?
The word PRACTICE was added to
1 John 3:9 because it's what John meant.
He didn't mean that seed can bear two kinds of fruit, which "practice" ends up with.
If he didn't mean this, there would exist in the NT a great conflict, which is not possible.
The conflict is only between those who accommodate sin and those who don't.
Adding "practice" to
1 John 3:9 allows sinners to be deceived into thinking they are in no danger.
When Translators, who are scholars and/or theologians (both) translate the bible they take hermeneutics into account.
It's not a word by word translation.
It is addition to, or subtraction from, what God had intended for us to read and understand.
Give me some verses about the seed. The ones You depend on.
I know what you mean but I'd like you to be specific.
Alright...
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding
seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit
after his kind, whose
seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding
seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose
seed was in itself,
after his kind: and God saw that it was good." (
Gen 1:11-12)
"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather
grapes of thorns, or
figs of thistles?" (
Matthew 7:16"
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather
figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they
grapes." (
Luke 6:44)
"Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive
berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh." (
James 3:12)
Seeds can only bring forth after themselves.
God's seed is what the reborn are gendered by.
God's seed is as likely to bring forth liars, thieves and murderers, as fig seeds are to bring forth grapes.
This is not the experience of Christians.
It is the experience of those reborn of God's seed.
It is written..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 6:18)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom 8:1)
This is not the experience of the Apostolic Fathers or Early Church Fathers.
It is the experience of those reborn of God's seed.
It is written..."For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Cor 5:21)
"Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you." (2 Cor 13:11)
"Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in anything ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you." (Phil 3:15)
"Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:" (Col 1:28)
You may not care what they believed, but the learned from the Apostles and then those they
The apostles never once accommodated sin in Christ.
learned from. Persons waited to be baptized because they knew they would sin again, and since baptism washed away all sins, they liked to wait as long as possible.
People waited to get baptized so they could have their past sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
They were so sorry for the past sins that they never wanted to sin again.
It is written..."For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." (2 Cor 7:10)
1 John 5:16
Anyone who sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, should petition God, and thus life will be givento the sinner.
A brother is another Christian.
Not necessarily.
IF someone sees HIS BROTHER sinning...
A Christian brother can sin.
If he sins, he manifests by his fruit that he wasn't born of God.
It is tantamount to saying that John has forgotten himself: asserting in the first part of hisEpistle that we are not without sin, but latersaying that we do not sin at all. In the one case,flattering us somewhat with hope of pardon;but in the other, asserting with all strictness thatthose who have sinned are not sons of God. Butaway with this! We must not forget the distinction between sins that was the starting point of616SINour digression. And John has sanctioned this[distinction]. For there are some sins we commit daily, to which we are all liable. For whowill be free from sins such as being angryunjustly, retaining one's anger after sunset,using manual violence, carelessly speaking evil,or rashly swearing?... In business, in officialduties, in trade, in food, in sight, in hearing—what a great number of temptations beset us.Accordingly, if there were no pardon for thesetypes of sins, no one could obtain salvation. Ofthese [types of sins], then, there will be pardon
through Christ—the successful Intercessor of the Father.
Tertullian (c. 212, W), 4.97.
source: file:///C:/Users/Pictures/Dictionary%20of%20Early%20Christian%20%20-%20Bercot,%20David_8290.pdf
Tertullian was of the devil, and an accommodator of sin.
He obviously doesn't beleive God's seed can
never bear the devil's fruit.
Biblical theologians and all denominations will not agree with you.
Apparently, there's a difference between how you read the bible, and everyone else.
That should be the first clue of whom they are working for.
If they make it possible to keep committing sins after a supposed conversion, they nullify the saving work of Christ.
He lived without sin, and He is our example.
The above is not true.
Christians are not living a life of sin.
Christians aren't.
Those still bearing the devil's fruit are unrepentant, and not born of God's seed.
The verse says IF WE SAY WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE A LIAR OF GOD.
Addressed to those walking in darkness-sin.
Sinners can't honestly day they have no sin.
Those walking in the light-God, can say they have fellowship with God, and they have no sin.
Seems like you're doing the above.
I am doing verse 7.
There is no sin in God, in Whom I walk.