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Are Christians Sinners?

Thank God for making the way to turn permanently from sin, to be washed of all past sins, and be reborn of His own seed.
His seed cannot bring forth the devil's fruit ! (1 John 3:8-10)
Those reborn of God don't serve sin.
They don't SERVE SIN Hopeful.
This is the difference you won't accept.
 
If we can be called SINNERS,
then what are the lost called?

I believe we should be called children of God, but we will sin.
To me a sinner is someone that lives a life of sin. Like in
1 John 3:9
This 1 John 3:9 ?..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Please don't tell us you believe fig seeds can sprout grape vines.
 
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They don't SERVE SIN Hopeful.
This is the difference you won't accept.
According to Jesus, sinners do serve sin.
John 8:34..."Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."

If your POV that nobody can say they are without sin is really true, then all serve sin without stop.
Fortunately, God made it possible to repent permanently from sin, and be reborn from His perfect seed !
 
If we can be called SINNERS,
then what are the lost called?

I believe we should be called children of God, but we will sin.
To me a sinner is someone that lives a life of sin. Like in
1 John 3:9
The lost can be called the lost, and the saved can be called the saved. A sinner is not necessarily someone who is intentionally sinning without any remorse. A sinner is simply someone who sins, and believers still do that.
 
If you sin, you are a sinner. Christians will sin since we haven't been perfected. We all sin. Christians' sins are forgiven.
Where does scripture say that "Christians" will always sin?
Do you transgress the law if you are walking in the Spirit?
Do you sin if everything is done in faith. Do you miss the Mark if you are in the Mark?


was adam and eve sinners because they were in the body?

Just some questions I have
 
The lost can be called the lost, and the saved can be called the saved. A sinner is not necessarily someone who is intentionally sinning without any remorse. A sinner is simply someone who sins, and believers still do that.
But atoners don't necessarily. Thou needs to know what the wrongdeed is to atone it.
 
This 1 John 3:9 ?..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Please don't tell us you believe fig seeds can sprout grape vines.
Here's the problem Hopeful, as I see it.

If you're right about 1 John 3:9
then it conflicts with 1 John 1 and the beginning of chapter 2.

How do we resolve this conflict?

1 John 3:9
9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 1:6-10
6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.



1 John 3:9 is speaking about practicing sin.
We can know this because 1 John 1:6 speaks about walking in the darkness.

IF we SAY we have fellowship, yet WALK IN THE DARKNESS....
We can't only say we believe, we MUST NOT WALK IN DARKNESS.
Walking is a constant action....we walk, not we have walked or we will walk.
WE WALK WITH IN DARKNESS means we do not have fellowship with God.

1 John 1:7 speaks of walking in the light.
IF we WALK IN THE LIGHT, then we have fellowship with God and Jesus
CLEANSES us of all sin.

Jesus CLEANSES us....not He had cleansed or HE DOES CLEANSE US.
Ongoing action.....why? Because every now and then we will fall into sin....

BUT WE ARE NOT PRACTICING SIN.
WE ARE NOT WALKING IN DARKNESS.
WE ARE NOT SERVING SATAN because we present ourself to GOD and not to satan.

1 John 1:10 IF we say we have not sinned, we make God a liar and the truth is not in us.

The truth is that man will sin.
 
The lost can be called the lost, and the saved can be called the saved. A sinner is not necessarily someone who is intentionally sinning without any remorse. A sinner is simply someone who sins, and believers still do that.
You miss my point.
We are children of God.
Not sinners.

Because we sin does not make us sinners.
It makes us children of God that will fall into sin.
Practicing sin and sinning are two totally different ideas.

Romans 6:16
16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

If you present yourself to satan, you are a sinner.
If you present yourself to God, you are righteous.


1 John 3:1
1See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are.
 
You miss my point.
We are children of God.
Not sinners.

Because we sin does not make us sinners.
It makes us children of God that will fall into sin.
Practicing sin and sinning are two totally different ideas.

Romans 6:16
16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
If you present yourself to satan, you are a sinner.
If you present yourself to God, you are righteous.


1 John 3:1
1See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are.
I didn't miss your point. Your definition of sinner is wrong. We are forgiven due to the atonement of Christ, but we are sinners if we sin. It's basic English. If we "fall into sin," then we've sinned and are therefore sinners. The English word "sinner" does not mean an unrepentant, unsaved individual.
 
I didn't miss your point. Your definition of sinner is wrong. We are forgiven due to the atonement of Christ, but we are sinners if we sin. It's basic English. If we "fall into sin," then we've sinned and are therefore sinners. The English word "sinner" does not mean an unrepentant, unsaved individual.
OK JT
Have it your way.

Just remember that if you're a sinner, you're just like the unsaved.
 
Here's the problem Hopeful, as I see it.

If you're right about 1 John 3:9
then it conflicts with 1 John 1 and the beginning of chapter 2.
Not at all, as only verses 6,8, and 10, of 1 John 1, apply to those still walking in sin.
They are the ones who cannot say they have fellowship with God or that they have so sin.
But those walking in the light, (which verse 5 says is God in Whom is no sin), can say "Yes" to both fellowship with God and that they have no sin.
There is no sin in God, in Whom the repentant walk.
If you are in sin, you are not in God !
How do we resolve this conflict?

1 John 3:9
9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 1:6-10

6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.



1 John 3:9 is speaking about practicing sin.
That is why you don't understand my perspective.
Someone added the word "practice" to what God originally put in the KJV of the bible.
Just as grape vines can NEVER bear figs, neither can God's seed, from which the repentant have been reborn, commit any sin.
The seed determines the fruit !!!!
We can know this because 1 John 1:6 speaks about walking in the darkness.
IF we SAY we have fellowship, yet WALK IN THE DARKNESS....
We can't only say we believe, we MUST NOT WALK IN DARKNESS.
Walking is a constant action....we walk, not we have walked or we will walk.
WE WALK WITH IN DARKNESS means we do not have fellowship with God.
1 John 1:7 speaks of walking in the light.
IF we WALK IN THE LIGHT, then we have fellowship with God and Jesus
CLEANSES us of all sin.
Walk in God, and you won't commit sin.
Jesus CLEANSES us....not He had cleansed or HE DOES CLEANSE US.
Ongoing action.....why? Because every now and then we will fall into sin....
If you are in need of cleaning after a supposed repentance from sin and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, the initial repentance was a lie to God.
BUT WE ARE NOT PRACTICING SIN.
If you keep sinning, you are practicing sin !
If you are still sinning, your practice has never been stopped.,
WE ARE NOT WALKING IN DARKNESS.
Sinners are.
WE ARE NOT SERVING SATAN because we present ourself to GOD and not to satan.
If one commits sin, they are not presenting themselves to God.
1 John 1:10 IF we say we have not sinned, we make God a liar and the truth is not in us.
True, only for those walking in sin.
But what about those who walk in God ?
The truth is that man will sin.
Jesus said the truth would free you from committing sin, in John 8:34.
What you present is a different thing, as it accommodates sin.

I pray to God that all will eventually find the comfort written of in Acts 3:26..."Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."
Those continuing to commit iniquity cannot relate to those words.
 
OK JT
Have it your way.

Just remember that if you're a sinner, you're just like the unsaved.
If we can't even agree on the definition of "sinner", then there's no discussion about OP's question, we're only talking to ourselves. In the gospel accounts, "sinner" is a euphemism for wh-re, any loose woman turning tricks. I hope that's not the kind of sinner you have in mind.
 
Not at all, as only verses 6,8, and 10, of 1 John 1, apply to those still walking in sin.
They are the ones who cannot say they have fellowship with God or that they have so sin.
But those walking in the light, (which verse 5 says is God in Whom is no sin), can say "Yes" to both fellowship with God and that they have no sin.
There is no sin in God, in Whom the repentant walk.
If you are in sin, you are not in God !

That is why you don't understand my perspective.
Someone added the word "practice" to what God originally put in the KJV of the bible.
Just as grape vines can NEVER bear figs, neither can God's seed, from which the repentant have been reborn, commit any sin.
The seed determines the fruit !!!!

Walk in God, and you won't commit sin.

If you are in need of cleaning after a supposed repentance from sin and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, the initial repentance was a lie to God.

If you keep sinning, you are practicing sin !
If you are still sinning, your practice has never been stopped.,

Sinners are.

If one commits sin, they are not presenting themselves to God.

True, only for those walking in sin.
But what about those who walk in God ?

Jesus said the truth would free you from committing sin, in John 8:34.
What you present is a different thing, as it accommodates sin.

I pray to God that all will eventually find the comfort written of in Acts 3:26..."Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."
Those continuing to commit iniquity cannot relate to those words.
Hey All,
How would you answer John?

1 John 1:6-9 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Look at the progression.
OK, we have repented, and no longer walk in darkness.
We walk in the light. We have fellowship.
Jesus has completely cleansed our souls from all unrighteousness.
After all this:
If we say we say that we have no sin,
( present tense, John's audience is believers) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

My question to you, Hopeful 2, is:
How are you not doing this right now?
John says a "believer" who does this (says we have no sin) is deceiving himself/herself, and the truth is not in them.
That is exactly how I read your posts.
That is why I, and others here, do not believe you. The fact that you cannot see this only confirms that what John wrote is true. You are observing what Jonah called a "lying vanity."

All of us, you, me, all believers are sinners saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Through Jesus, we have an advocate for when we do sin. (not habitual sin but occasionally stumbling, and sins of ignorance) He is also the propitiation for our sins.

We need Jesus in this capacity because we cannot change our flesh. Our transformed souls has made us new creatures. But we cannot fix our flesh. That's why Paul described it as a war. The battle is constant.

I admit before God and mankind, I am not perfect at this. I make mistakes. I am a believer because I confess my sins. (Unbelievers do not confess their sins.) I stand on the promise that if I do this, I am cleansed from all unrighteousness. Amen.

I have tried for over 50 years to live sin free. I cannot do it, and it breaks me that I cannot. I have to live with what Jesus, Paul, and John said. I am still a sinner saved by grace through faith in Jesus, cleansed from all unrighteousness through Jesus' precious blood. That is where I hang my hat.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
If we can't even agree on the definition of "sinner", then there's no discussion about OP's question, we're only talking to ourselves. In the gospel accounts, "sinner" is a euphemism for wh-re, any loose woman turning tricks. I hope that's not the kind of sinner you have in mind.
Seems to me that was an ongoing sin.
I do believe Jesus told her to SIN NO MORE.

Do you agree that there's a difference between A SINNER
and a person, saved, that sins?
 
Do you agree that there's a difference between A SINNER
and a person, saved, that sins?
Yes, absolutely. A sinner is defined by their sins which they indulge in; when they feel stressed, guilty or shameful, they seek relief in substances or entertainments to numb that feeling. A saved person is one who confesses and repents their sins, they seek relief in Jesus. To be honest, this is what Ai really lack.
 
Hey All,
How would you answer John?
1 John 1:6-9 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I would say..."I thank God for allowing me to walk in the light, which is God, in Whom is no sin."
Look at the progression.
OK, we have repented, and no longer walk in darkness.
We walk in the light. We have fellowship.
Jesus has completely cleansed our souls from all unrighteousness.
After all this:
If we say we say that we have no sin,
( present tense, John's audience is believers) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
John has switched his aim from those who walk in God back to those who walk in sin.
He alternated, back-and-forth, between those who walk in darkness and those who walk in the light.
He juxtaposes on side against the other to illustrate how foreign one is from the other.
Verses 5, 7, and 9 apply to those who walk in God.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 apply to those who walk in sin.
My question to you, Hopeful 2, is:
How are you not doing this right now?
John says a "believer" who does this (says we have no sin) is deceiving himself/herself, and the truth is not in them.
John lays it out with "IF WE...".
The two alternatives are darkness and light.
If we walk in darkness, we can neither say we have fellowship with God or that we have no sin.
If we walk in light, we can say both.
It is an A-B, A-B, A-B system of writing, and one Paul uses in Romans 8.
In Romans 8 Paul juxtaposes walking in the flesh with walking in the Spirit.
That is exactly how I read your posts.
That is why I, and others here, do not believe you. The fact that you cannot see this only confirms that what John wrote is true. You are observing what Jonah called a "lying vanity."

All of us, you, me, all believers are sinners saved by grace through faith in Jesus.
If you are still a sinner, after repenting of sin, being reborn of God's seed, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, The grace of God did nothing for you.
You are still acting like the old man who should have been destroyed, as per Rom 6:6.
Through Jesus, we have an advocate for when we do sin. (not habitual sin but occasionally stumbling, and sins of ignorance) He is also the propitiation for our sins.
Christ will not advocate for the unrepentant.
He doesn't hear the prayers of sinners. (John 9:31, 1 Peter 3:12)
We need Jesus in this capacity because we cannot change our flesh. Our transformed souls has made us new creatures. But we cannot fix our flesh. That's why Paul described it as a war. The battle is constant.
You seem to think your skin and bones has some kind of magical, evil, power over your mind.
Who is steering your ship ?
God can change "our flesh", by destroying it.
"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." (Rom 6:6)
I admit before God and mankind, I am not perfect at this. I make mistakes. I am a believer because I confess my sins. (Unbelievers do not confess their sins.) I stand on the promise that if I do this, I am cleansed from all unrighteousness. Amen.
Let God do it instead of trying to do it yourself.
I have tried for over 50 years to live sin free. I cannot do it, and it breaks me that I cannot. I have to live with what Jesus, Paul, and John said. I am still a sinner saved by grace through faith in Jesus, cleansed from all unrighteousness through Jesus' precious blood. That is where I hang my hat.
A man who doesn't beleive he can live without sin will never live without sin.
Why would you be trying for over fifty years to do what you seem to say is impossible ?
 
Not at all, as only verses 6,8, and 10, of 1 John 1, apply to those still walking in sin.
They are the ones who cannot say they have fellowship with God or that they have so sin.
But those walking in the light, (which verse 5 says is God in Whom is no sin), can say "Yes" to both fellowship with God and that they have no sin.
There is no sin in God, in Whom the repentant walk.
If you are in sin, you are not in God !
H, you can't say things like in your last sentence. It's against tos.

I understand what you mean about John 6 some being of sinners and some being of believers.
But let me ask you this:
Why do we need an advocate with the Father?
1 John 2:1 refers to the persons to whom Paul is writing as CHILDREN.
Paul is writing to believers.
Paul states IF ANYONE SINS, they have an advocate. Why do we need one?
1 John 2:1
1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;




That is why you don't understand my perspective.
Someone added the word "practice" to what God originally put in the KJV of the bible.
Just as grape vines can NEVER bear figs, neither can God's seed, from which the repentant have been reborn, commit any sin.
The seed determines the fruit !!!!

I DO understand your perspective.
This is what happens when we take ONE PART of the NT and concentrate totally on that...
We forego all the other verses that we don't agree with.

The word PRACTICE was added to 1 John 3:9 because it's what John meant.
If he didn't mean this, there would exist in the NT a great conflict, which is not possible.
When Translators, who are scholars and/or theologians (both) translate the bible they take hermeneutics into account.
It's not a word by word translation.

Give me some verses about the seed. The ones You depend on.
I know what you mean but I'd like you to be specific.

Walk in God, and you won't commit sin.

This is not the experience of Christians.
This is not the experience of the Apostolic Fathers or Early Church Fathers.
You may not care what they believed, but the learned from the Apostles and then those they
learned from. Persons waited to be baptized because they knew they would sin again, and since baptism washed away all sins, they liked to wait as long as possible.

1 John 5:16
Anyone who sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, should petition God, and thus life will be givento the sinner.


A brother is another Christian.
IF someone sees HIS BROTHER sinning...
A Christian brother can sin.


It is tantamount to saying that John has forgotten himself: asserting in the first part of hisEpistle that we are not without sin, but latersaying that we do not sin at all. In the one case,flattering us somewhat with hope of pardon;but in the other, asserting with all strictness thatthose who have sinned are not sons of God. Butaway with this! We must not forget the distinction between sins that was the starting point of616SINour digression. And John has sanctioned this[distinction]. For there are some sins we commit daily, to which we are all liable. For whowill be free from sins such as being angryunjustly, retaining one's anger after sunset,using manual violence, carelessly speaking evil,or rashly swearing?... In business, in officialduties, in trade, in food, in sight, in hearing—what a great number of temptations beset us.Accordingly, if there were no pardon for thesetypes of sins, no one could obtain salvation. Ofthese [types of sins], then, there will be pardon
through Christ—the successful Intercessor of the Father.
Tertullian (c. 212, W), 4.97.

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If you are in need of cleaning after a supposed repentance from sin and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, the initial repentance was a lie to God.

Biblical theologians and all denominations will not agree with you.
Apparently, there's a difference between how you read the bible, and everyone else.

If you keep sinning, you are practicing sin !
If you are still sinning, your practice has never been stopped.,

The above is not true.
Christians are not living a life of sin.
True, only for those walking in sin.
But what about those who walk in God ?
The verse says IF WE SAY WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE A LIAR OF GOD.

Seems like you're doing the above.

Jesus said the truth would free you from committing sin, in John 8:34.
What you present is a different thing, as it accommodates sin.
Jesus said THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU FREE.
The truth is that satan is the prince of the air and we are NOT to present ourselves to him.
This is the primary freedom Jesus gives to us.
Only in God are we truly free to practice our true and Godly nature.

I pray to God that all will eventually find the comfort written of in Acts 3:26..."Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."
Those continuing to commit iniquity cannot relate to those words.
I agree.
Iniquity means to live in sin.
Christians do not live in iniquity.
 
H, you can't say things like in your last sentence. It's against tos.
I checked out the "terms of use" again and couldn't find anything like what you seem to refer to.
I understand what you mean about John 6 some being of sinners and some being of believers.
But let me ask you this:
Why do we need an advocate with the Father?
If you understand it, don't you realize that not all have used the Advocate yet ?
Those in Christ, and walking in the light-God, have already used it.
John is informing all that the Advocate is still available to those still walking in darkness-sin.
1 John 2:1 refers to the persons to whom Paul is writing as CHILDREN.
Paul is writing to believers.
Paul states IF ANYONE SINS, they have an advocate. Why do we need one?
1 John 2:1
1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
He didn't say..."If my little children sin, we have an advocate..."
He said..."If any man sin, we..."
I DO understand your perspective.
This is what happens when we take ONE PART of the NT and concentrate totally on that...
We forego all the other verses that we don't agree with.
If you understand it, which verse of 1 John 1 apply to those who no longer commit sin ?
The word PRACTICE was added to 1 John 3:9 because it's what John meant.
He didn't mean that seed can bear two kinds of fruit, which "practice" ends up with.
If he didn't mean this, there would exist in the NT a great conflict, which is not possible.
The conflict is only between those who accommodate sin and those who don't.
Adding "practice" to 1 John 3:9 allows sinners to be deceived into thinking they are in no danger.
When Translators, who are scholars and/or theologians (both) translate the bible they take hermeneutics into account.
It's not a word by word translation.
It is addition to, or subtraction from, what God had intended for us to read and understand.
Give me some verses about the seed. The ones You depend on.
I know what you mean but I'd like you to be specific.
Alright...
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." (Gen 1:11-12)

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" (Matthew 7:16"
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes." (Luke 6:44)

"Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh." (James 3:12)

Seeds can only bring forth after themselves.
God's seed is what the reborn are gendered by.
God's seed is as likely to bring forth liars, thieves and murderers, as fig seeds are to bring forth grapes.

This is not the experience of Christians.
It is the experience of those reborn of God's seed.
It is written..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 6:18)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom 8:1)
This is not the experience of the Apostolic Fathers or Early Church Fathers.
It is the experience of those reborn of God's seed.
It is written..."For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Cor 5:21)
"Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you." (2 Cor 13:11)
"Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in anything ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you." (Phil 3:15)
"Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:" (Col 1:28)
You may not care what they believed, but the learned from the Apostles and then those they
The apostles never once accommodated sin in Christ.
learned from. Persons waited to be baptized because they knew they would sin again, and since baptism washed away all sins, they liked to wait as long as possible.
People waited to get baptized so they could have their past sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
They were so sorry for the past sins that they never wanted to sin again.
It is written..."For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." (2 Cor 7:10)
1 John 5:16
Anyone who sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, should petition God, and thus life will be givento the sinner.

A brother is another Christian.
Not necessarily.
IF someone sees HIS BROTHER sinning...
A Christian brother can sin.
If he sins, he manifests by his fruit that he wasn't born of God.
It is tantamount to saying that John has forgotten himself: asserting in the first part of hisEpistle that we are not without sin, but latersaying that we do not sin at all. In the one case,flattering us somewhat with hope of pardon;but in the other, asserting with all strictness thatthose who have sinned are not sons of God. Butaway with this! We must not forget the distinction between sins that was the starting point of616SINour digression. And John has sanctioned this[distinction]. For there are some sins we commit daily, to which we are all liable. For whowill be free from sins such as being angryunjustly, retaining one's anger after sunset,using manual violence, carelessly speaking evil,or rashly swearing?... In business, in officialduties, in trade, in food, in sight, in hearing—what a great number of temptations beset us.Accordingly, if there were no pardon for thesetypes of sins, no one could obtain salvation. Ofthese [types of sins], then, there will be pardon
through Christ—the successful Intercessor of the Father.
Tertullian (c. 212, W), 4.97.

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Tertullian was of the devil, and an accommodator of sin.
He obviously doesn't beleive God's seed can never bear the devil's fruit.
Biblical theologians and all denominations will not agree with you.
Apparently, there's a difference between how you read the bible, and everyone else.
That should be the first clue of whom they are working for.
If they make it possible to keep committing sins after a supposed conversion, they nullify the saving work of Christ.
He lived without sin, and He is our example.
The above is not true.
Christians are not living a life of sin.
Christians aren't.
Those still bearing the devil's fruit are unrepentant, and not born of God's seed.
The verse says IF WE SAY WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE A LIAR OF GOD.
Addressed to those walking in darkness-sin.
Sinners can't honestly day they have no sin.
Those walking in the light-God, can say they have fellowship with God, and they have no sin.
Seems like you're doing the above.
I am doing verse 7.
There is no sin in God, in Whom I walk.
 
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Jesus said THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU FREE.
The truth is that satan is the prince of the air and we are NOT to present ourselves to him.
This is the primary freedom Jesus gives to us.
Only in God are we truly free to practice our true and Godly nature.
But what of those who don't practice a true and Godly nature ?
They have forsaken truth.
Jesus did say the truth would free us from committing sin, in John 8:32-34.
I agree.
Iniquity means to live in sin.
Christians do not live in iniquity.
If a man commits a sin, he is living in iniquity until he is converted to a life of freedom from sin.

The Advocate is available to "any man".
 
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