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Gordon:
I have an answer to prayer for you. Read it here!!
http://www.biblesabbath.org/keepingyourjob.html
I have an answer to prayer for you. Read it here!!
http://www.biblesabbath.org/keepingyourjob.html
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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Thanks. I do want to keep the Sabbath as I like the idea God has a day that is special and wants me to spend it focused on him. The job is quite the quandary as just about everyone I know would think I am wrong plus the loss of money. Also I don't feel God has made a clear point to me as I think some people here have argued against this responsibility well. Perhaps I'll continue with the job until I move on and then from that point observe the Sabbath. Maybe that's a cop out. I in no way think I need to do it in order to be saved.Gordon, despite all the debate here, I have this feeling you know what you want --- i.e. to keep the Sabbath. Blessings to you that God opened this up to you. You're just in a quandary over your job,which I suspect why you "do not feel led" and for that I'll pray. I'll pray, God will show a way!
Then I presume you don't keep Sunday, either. Right? Because if you do, then you are just as guilty. Nobody's stopping you from keeping Sunday, if that's what you do. The OP has a conviction that he wants to keep the Sabbath, which , BTW has far, far more scriptural support than Sunday. If one has to "keep" any day, then might as well be the right one, otherwise, don't keep any. So, get over yourself, please, and stop throwing in roadblocks.What "keep the sabbath" camp does not realize is; nailing the law to the cross, abolishing it, vanisheth away etc. does not do is make it useless...
Thanks. I do want to keep the Sabbath as I like the idea God has a day that is special and wants me to spend it focused on him. The job is quite the quandary as just about everyone I know would think I am wrong plus the loss of money. Also I don't feel God has made a clear point to me as I think some people here have argued against this responsibility well. Perhaps I'll continue with the job until I move on and then from that point observe the Sabbath. Maybe that's a cop out. I in no way think I need to do it in order to be saved.
Gordon, despite all the debate here, I have this feeling you know what you want --- i.e. to keep the Sabbath. Blessings to you that God opened this up to you. You're just in a quandary over your job,which I suspect why you "do not feel led" and for that I'll pray. I'll pray, God will show a way!
:biglol I was almost tempted to answer the same way, until I looked back at your post and found it, John. We are surely mature saints, the real dirty-minded ones! View attachment 3209
Then I presume you don't keep Sunday, either. Right? Because if you do, then you are just as guilty. Nobody's stopping you from keeping Sunday, if that's what you do. The OP has a conviction that he wants to keep the Sabbath, which , BTW has far, far more scriptural support than Sunday. If one has to "keep" any day, then might as well be the right one, otherwise, don't keep any. So, get over yourself, please, and stop throwing in roadblocks.
Looking forward to some quotes from the early Church fathers.
Although it is extremely uncomfortable, A/C in a car is a luxury and not a true need. They can roll the windows down until Sunday. But say you see someone stranded on the side of the road. Whatever you have to do to get them going again is not breaking Sabbath: you are helping someone in need.as a mechanic. lets say your car breaks down on the shabat. you are young and the ac went bad. do i as a jew sin in that i fix your car on the shabat?
Allergies or not, a broken house A/C (or heater) I would consider life-threatening. To fix this, IMO would not violate Sabbath.or let say you have allergies and your house ac is broken and the doctor says that its best to have that ac running to filter out the bad stuff. do i fix that on the shabat?
According to Orthodox Judaism, you can’t even start your car on the Sabbath! According to the Lord, you must discern what is proper. According to the Church, hey- if it feels good do it ‘cuz you’re free to defile yourself under grace.which one of these violates the shabat? as a liberty given christian i can work and it wont matter one iota. you on the other must discern what is proper.
Following is an abridged list of the many quotations regarding the Sabbath in the Early Church Fathers.There is complete agreement of the fathers on this doctrine. Anyone contending that the Sabbath should be observed today needs to answer why the Early Church Fathers taught in unison against this doctrine.
- “no longer observing Sabbath, but living according to the Lord's life†(110 AD - Ignatius, Letter to the Magnesians)
- “However, the Jews, too have erred from true knowledge. In their imagination, they think that it is God whom they serve. Actually, by their type of worship, they render their service to the angels and not to God. For example, they do this when they celebrate Sabbaths.†(120 AD - Aristides - The Apology)
- “Is there any other matter my Jewish friends, in which we Christians are blamed, than this: that we do not live after the Law ... and do not observe Sabbaths, as you do?†(150 AD - Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho)
- "There was no need of circumcision before Abraham. Nor was there need of the observance of Sabbaths, or of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses. Accordingly, there is no more need of them now.†(150 AD - Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho)
- “And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place. And the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits. Then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs us and exhorts us to imitate these good things. Then we all rise together and pray. And, as we said before, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought. Then, the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability. And the people assent, saying “Amen.â€Then, the Lord’s Supper is distributed to everyone, and everyone participates in the bread and wine, over which thanks has been given. And a portion of it is sent by the deacons to those who are absent. ... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God ...made the world. And Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead on that same day.†(155 AD - Justin Martyr, First Apology)
- “But as to their scrupulosity concerning meats, and their superstition as respects the Sabbaths, and their boasting about circumcision,and their fancies about fasting and the new moons, which are utterly ridiculous and unworthy of notice, … And to speak falsely of God, as if He forbade us to do what is good on the Sabbath-days,--how is not this impious?†(160 AD - The Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus)
- “The Sabbaths taught that we should continue day by day in God's service...ministering continually to our faith, and persevering in it, and abstaining from all avarice, and not acquiring or possessing treasures upon earth. Moreover, the Sabbath of God, that is, the kingdom, was, as it were, indicated by created things; in which [kingdom], the man who shall have persevered in serving God shall, in a state of rest, partake of God's table.†(180 AD - Irenaeus, Against Heresies)
- “We do not follow the Jews in their peculiarities in regard to food nor in their sacred days.†(197 AD – Tertullian- An Answer to the Jews)
- “Just as the abolition of fleshly circumcision and of the old Law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.†(197 AD – Tertullian - An Answer to the Jews)
- “Let the one who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation,. . . prove to us that in times past righteous men kept the Sabbath, or practiced circumcision, and were thereby made "friends of God." God created Adam uncircumcised and non-observant of theSabbath.... Also, God freed from the deluge Noah, who was uncircumcised and did not observe the Sabbath. Enoch, too, He transported from this world, even though that most righteous man was uncircumcised and did not observe the Sabbath. ... Melchizedek also, "the priest of the most high God," although uncircumcised and not observing the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God.†(197 AD – Tertullian - An Answer to the Jews)
I hope this helps.
- “And let this become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews. For concerning the Sabbath, Christ himself, the Lord of the Sabbath, says by His prophets that “His soul hates.†In His body, He abolished this Sabbath.†(280 AD - Victorinus, On the Creation of the World).
Tri
John 8:32 wrote -
So it is abolished? How about a date with your wife, I'll come over tonight. When I leave I'll clean all the valuables out of your house and if you protest, look out. Because after all, faith abolishes the law.
I think you would have to speak to Handy's husband first!
JLB
OK, try that some time with the covenants and restrictions on a land deed. See if the judge rules the covenant concerning the deed null and void because one of the parties died.
What did Abraham obey that enabled him to ... and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
It is the same thing Jesus asks us to do in the new covenant!
Which is the point that Handy made at the end of her post.
This is why it is imperative for us to walk in the newness of the Spirit rather than in the letter of the Law.
The Lord told Abraham - Walk before Me and be blameless!
Walk with Me!
Walk in My Presence!
Walk in the Spirit!
Abide in Me, without Me you can do nothing!
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, THESE are the sons of God!
We have a new divine nature from God, that is empowered by The Spirit.
Our work is to be filled with the Spirit and abide in His presence.
I find that those whose focus is on "keeping the Law" and telling others to do so, these very same people are not "baptized in the Holy Spirit" nor do they put any emphasis on relationship with God.
Just my observation.
Anything that is not of faith is sin!
JLB
This is part of the problem... that there is a "proper day". Paul's custom was to preach in the synagogues on the Sabbath to be sure...Why wouldn't he preach or observe another day such as Sunday if that were the proper day? Hmmm, so he was doing it wrong?
John 8:32 said:Problem is the Ten Commandments were around prior to the Old Covenant. They are not the Old Covenant.
I read a book recently and the author suggested it's important for Christians to keep the Sabbath and that it was Saturday and not Sunday.
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. Galatians 4:4-5 (NASB)Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath...
Now this is an interesting statement.
I'm wondering what others think of this.
I have never heard of the Old Covenant being anything other than the Mosaic Covenant or the Law of which the 10 Commandment certainly are a part of.
This is different than the covenant with Abraham and the covenant with Noah.
John, could you elaborate what you mean here and I'd be interested in others thoughts as well.
Although it is extremely uncomfortable, A/C in a car is a luxury and not a true need. They can roll the windows down until Sunday. But say you see someone stranded on the side of the road. Whatever you have to do to get them going again is not breaking Sabbath: you are helping someone in need.
Now, suppose someone brings their car over for you to look at while you’re home on Sabbath. Can they wait until Sunday? Do they have any other source of transportation? If they can’t wait and they need to get somewhere important (a hospital, or to visit a sick friend, etc, etc) can you take them in your car and be there with them for moral support? Or are they just going someplace to “play?†The differing circumstances are endless, but you must use your own best judgment.
But then you have what I call “911 calls.†Being a crop duster, I know ALL about these 911 calls. The phones are silent all week, but then come 4:00 on Friday afternoon, they start ringing off the hook because the aphids are “eating me alive!†Of course those aphids were out there munching away in their fields since Monday while they were busy gossiping at the local Dairy Queen. But this is my philosophy on those “911 calls:†“Lack of preparation and planning on your part does NOT constitute an emergency on mine.†Yes, I’ve lost several jobs and a WHOLE lot of money because I wouldn’t spray on Sabbath. We are not rich, but we lack nothing, either. And I believe the Lord has blessed us and continues to provide for our every need BECAUSE we have obeyed His voice.
Allergies or not, a broken house A/C (or heater) I would consider life-threatening. To fix this, IMO would not violate Sabbath.
According to Orthodox Judaism, you can’t even start your car on the Sabbath! According to the Lord, you must discern what is proper. According to the Church, hey- if it feels good do it ‘cuz you’re free to defile yourself under grace.
The symptoms of asthma can be very distressing for sufferers as they included wheezing, shortness of breath, coughing, chest tightness and in severe cases people can experience full blown asthma attacks. These occur when the windpipe begins to tighten dramatically and the person is not able breath properly. Such attacks can be stabilized 90% of the time with an inhaler that contains either glucocorticoids or oral steroids that help loosen the muscle tension in the windpipe and allow the patient to breathe again more freely. Asthma in adults is less common with most people growing out the affliction by the time they reach puberty, but for those who do still have Asthma in adulthood it is generally controlled with inhalers and regular visits to the doctor. Doctors will also keep a monitor of the patients lung capacity through a peak flow device that the patient blows into, to check whether their condition is improving or worsening.
Although there is no official cure for asthma there are things you can do to curb the harsher of its more dangerous symptoms, such as never smoking and always avoiding being around people who do smoke for too long. Also you will benefit largely from getting a good ventilation system installed in your home through things such as ceiling fans, air conditioning and air purifiers, as the cleaner the air you breathe the better your chest and asthma it will be. It would also be wise to purchase a dehumidifier if you live in hotter countries, as too much humidity and moisture in the air can irritate your asthma and is best avoided.
Those who live by the Law - which was nailed to the cross with Christ - will lbe judged by the Law. Paul makes that point in Romans.
Relax. You are under no obligation to obey the Law of Moses. It's not for you.