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Body, Soul, and Spirit

His_nee (Jeff) said:
Just as the Scripture says "ye all are elohim" . and in many other places, like from the start "Let Us make man in our image" ,
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Yeshua became a life-giving spirit, and so on. and "everyone born of God is like the wind, you hear the wind but don't know where it comes from or where it goes. so is everyone who is born of the spirit" or something like that. stop fighting - man is spirit. the body is just a tent; a temporary dwelling place. passing away.

is there some connotation of spirit that has caused such a long rejection of this ? that once admitted, that man is spirit, then therefore something else someone said is much worse occurs or results ? (i.e. why such resistance to spirit ? )
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Because it's Greek philosophy, not Scripture.
 
JLB said:
Genesis 2:7 says that Man is a living being.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Man as a living being must have a spirit, to be declared a living being.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26


I just don't see how Genesis 2:7 teaches us that man does not have his own spirit.


JLB
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In Gen 2:7 it says God breathed into the man the Breath of Lives. That breath came out of God. In Ezekiel 37 there is the example of the Resurrection. In that passage God says He's going to cause sinew and flesh to come upon the bone and then is going to breath "His" ruach, breath into them and they will live. In both passages is a breath coming from God that gives life and in Ezekiel God states plainly that it is His breath/spirit that is breath into them and they live. Neither passage says anything about a spirit that "is" man.
 
Butch5 said:
Because it's Greek philosophy, not Scripture.
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Where you got that idea is deceiving you, but it looks like no one can change your mind for now.

I can't think of anyone who thinks that. Not any believer in Yeshua.

We (Hebrew Jewish Israelites) reject greek philosophy and its influence on everything, just as we are set free in Yeshua HaMashiach from the world's power over everyone.
 
DRS81 said:
Not scripture? Huh.

I'm gonna have to agree with Jeff on this one. John 3:8.
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The passage doesn't say man is a spirit. Did you read the OP? In it presented my premise that man is a physical being and cited Gen.2:7. In Gen 2:7 we are told how God created man. Many have claimed that man is a spirit that lives in the body, however, no one has made that case from Scripture. What's happened is people have approached the Scripture already having the idea that man is a spirit that lives in a body and when they see certain passages they think this is what the passage is saying and then they'll post the passage and say, it says spirit so that means man is a spirit. That is not exegesis, it's eisegesis.

One cannot go to Scripture and find anything such as God formed a body from the dust of the ground and put in it the spirit that is the man. That's what one needs to post in order to prove that man is a spirit. That no one can post a passage saying that man is a spirit speaks volumes in and of itself.

What I've tried to show here is how to approach the Scriptures without our preconceptions, so will set them aside and consider the evidence, some won't.
 
His_nee (Jeff) said:
Where you got that idea is deceiving you, but it looks like no one can change your mind for now.

I can't think of anyone who thinks that. Not any believer in Yeshua.

We (Hebrew Jewish Israelites) reject greek philosophy and its influence on everything, just as we are set free in Yeshua HaMashiach from the world's power over everyone.
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I almost agree fully with Butch aside from a couple of nuances. So now you know of 2 people who follow Jesus and think like that :D
 
His_nee (Jeff) said:
Where you got that idea is deceiving you, but it looks like no one can change your mind for now.

I can't think of anyone who thinks that. Not any believer in Yeshua.

We (Hebrew Jewish Israelites) reject greek philosophy and its influence on everything, just as we are set free in Yeshua HaMashiach from the world's power over everyone.
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I don't see how you reject Greek Philosophy yet claim man is a spirit. There's nothing in Scripture that says man is a spirit.

What do you make of the beliefs of the Pharisees and the Sadducees?

Look at the writings of Plato and I think you'll see where I'm coming from.
 
agua. said:
I almost agree fully with Butch aside from a couple of nuances. So now you know of 2 people who follow Jesus and think like that :biggrin
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maybe so, yes. maybe so. testing and time will tell.
 
Butch5 said:
The passage doesn't say man is a spirit. Did you read the OP? In it presented my premise that man is a physical being and cited Gen.2:7. In Gen 2:7 we are told how God created man. Many have claimed that man is a spirit that lives in the body, however, no one has made that case from Scripture. What's happened is people have approached the Scripture already having the idea that man is a spirit that lives in a body and when they see certain passages they think this is what the passage is saying and then they'll post the passage and say, it says spirit so that means man is a spirit. That is not exegesis, it's eisegesis.

One cannot go to Scripture and find anything such as God formed a body from the dust of the ground and put in it the spirit that is the man. That's what one needs to post in order to prove that man is a spirit. That no one can post a passage saying that man is a spirit speaks volumes in and of itself.
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Well, do you believe man has a soul?
 
DRS81 said:
Well, do you believe man has a soul?
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Man is a soul.

Gen 2:7 KJV And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 
Butch5 said:
I believe man "is" a soul, Gen 2:7 God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breath into him the breath of lives and man became a living soul
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Ok good, if you believe man (is) a soul, then what is your definition of a soul. What dictionary do you use.
 
Butch5 said:
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Look at the writings of Plato and I think you'll see where I'm coming from.
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Unless you reveal it(if you are able to), or Yhwh does, I can't tell where you are coming from.

I think the Scriptures have already been posted for you several times trying to show clearly what is different to what you say, so what is there to do now? I don't have a clue where you're coming from nor what if anything you're actually defending. Or in other words what school of thought directed you the way you went ? Eventually, if Yhwh permits, we might get to the actual start or root of the matter (I'm not well-versed in other countries strange ideas which may or may not matter - some countries(italy and spain come to mind) are so overwhelming in deceiving their peoples that when someone is set free it is still a long long time potentially before all of the cobwebs are cleared. (same in the untied states btw, but having been born and raised here, I am familiar with some of the cobwebs here and recognize them sometimes, Yhwh willing) ) .
 
His_nee (Jeff) said:
Really? If I understand correctly, and I'm sure I do, then transparency has not helped you at all.
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No you don't understand me. It seems being sure doesn't relate to being right. I use transparency to indicate the honest presentation of a person's character as aside from the people who believe in Jesus and cry "Lord Lord" .

Are you sure you understood me ?
 
DRS81 said:
Ok good, if you believe man (is) a soul, then what is your definition of a soul. What dictionary do you use.
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The Bible gives the definition of a soul. ie. Body ( formed from dust ) + Yahweh's Breath/Spirit = Living soul.

What dictionary do you use to define soul ?
 
His_nee (Jeff) said:
Unless you reveal it(if you are able to), or Yhwh does, I can't tell where you are coming from.

I think the Scriptures have already been posted for you several times trying to show clearly what is different to what you say, so what is there to do now? I don't have a clue where you're coming from nor what if anything you're actually defending. Or in other words what school of thought directed you the way you went ? Eventually, if Yhwh permits, we might get to the actual start or root of the matter (I'm not well-versed in other countries strange ideas which may or may not matter - some countries(italy and spain come to mind) are so overwhelming in deceiving their peoples that when someone is set free it is still a long long time potentially before all of the cobwebs are cleared. (same in the untied states btw, but having been born and raised here, I am familiar with some of the cobwebs here and recognize them sometimes, Yhwh willing) ) .
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Jeff,

You said Scriptures have been posted. Can you please show me which passage says that man is a spirit? I think this would be a good start.
 
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