Body, Soul, and Spirit

[DRS81]

when many men and churches were quite literally driving me to insanity with their blatant white-washed hypocrisy !

But doesn't Jesus teach us to love sinners and move on.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

But doesn't Jesus teach us to love sinners and move on.

so ?

 

[agua.]

God is Spirit.

Man is spirit.

Angels are spirit.


Man is created in the image and likeness of God.


JLB

Which scriptures say man is spirit ? Are you suggesting man is a god ?

 

[Free]

you're suffering for the same reasons many multitudes of gentiles suffer in error - bad translations(and/or trusting flesh.... we hope just bad translations though). but it need not be so.

More than once you've made such a claim yet you provide no evidence. Prove it.

Still waiting for proof.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

by page 17 it was already proven. arguments arose from faulty translations. I can't change those.

1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
Zechariah 12:1
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:23
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16
We are created in the image and likeness of God.
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24

The scriptures teach us that man has a spirit, soul and body and is created in the image and likeness of God, Who Himself is Spirit.

Man is a spirit.

Sons of God are spirit beings.


Show me a scripture that says spirit beings cease to exist.



JLB

 

[Butch5]

Hi Butch.
The word (spirit) is a word.
Words have definitions.
What is your definition of the word (spirit).
Do you use a definition in the (dictionary), or do you use your (own definition).
If you do use your own definition, then what it is.

I use the dictionary definition of wind or breath.

 

[DRS81]

so ?

 

[Butch5]

the words Jesus speak are often not understood, as He Himself says. (as I quoted)
it is why people if questioned say


no one can receive anything if it is not granted to them by the Father. not me, not you, not anyone.

I was asking a person

 

[DRS81]

I use the dictionary definition of wind or breath.

Hey Butch, the words 'wind' and 'breath' are good, but what about the dictionary definition of the word 'spirit'.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

YEPPERS!
…26For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,…

 

[DRS81]

YEPPERS!
…26For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,…

i think u missed the train bro. let's move on.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

liike i said, i was on the train (going the totally wrong direction) with groups who claimed to be true but wouldn't do what is right according to Scripture, and it took me years to find this out... (and lots of groups).....
so yes, i got off that train --- wish i had much quicker, sort of, but all in God's Time and Grace as He worked things out.......

to love em and walk away was a very long lesson to learn --- it is human nature, or i thought it was, to believe people when they say they are saved and they are god's people. that's what almost drove me insane ---- a little child did see right through them, but 'grown up' thoughts just couldn't accept that they were so deceitful and deceptive (so much that they actually believed their own stories as God gave them up to their own delusions)......

it takes a long time to break away from what everyone else thinks is good ..... like the Israelites, who wanted to go back to egypt where it "was safe" and they had food and water and houses. but God was Faithful and called me out, just like He called them out of egypt, according to His Good Plan and Purpose.

(and the 'smart' ones, the scholars, just keep aruging over words and definitions and proper protocol etc etc etc, and don't see Jesus when He's right in front of them; (as Jesus said) )

 

[Butch5]

Hey Butch, the words 'wind' and 'breath' are good, but what about the dictionary definition of the word 'spirit'.

Are you talking about a lexicon or a secular dictionary like Webster's?

 

[DRS81]

Are you talking about a lexicon or a secular dictionary like Webster's?

The dictionary of your choosing, my friend.

 

[agua.]

The dictionary of your choosing, my friend.

I like the Brown, Driver, Brigg's for Hebrew definitions;

H7307
רוּח
rûach
BDB Definition:
1) wind, breath, mind, spirit
1a) breath
1b) wind
1b1) of heaven
1b2) quarter (of wind), side
1b3) breath of air
1b4) air, gas
1b5) vain, empty thing
1c) spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation)
1c1) spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour
1c2) courage
1c3) temper, anger
1c4) impatience, patience
1c5) spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented)
1c6) disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse
1c7) prophetic spirit
1d) spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals)
1d1) as gift, preserved by God, God’s spirit, departing at death, disembodied being
1e) spirit (as seat of emotion)
1e1) desire
1e2) sorrow, trouble
1f) spirit
1f1) as seat or organ of mental acts
1f2) rarely of the will
1f3) as seat especially of moral character
1g) Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
1g1) as inspiring ecstatic state of prophecy
1g2) as impelling prophet to utter instruction or warning
1g3) imparting warlike energy and executive and administrative power
1g4) as endowing men with various gifts
1g5) as energy of life
1g6) as manifest in the Shekinah glory
1g7) never referred to as a depersonalized force
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H7306
Same Word by TWOT Number: 2131a

 

[Butch5]

The dictionary of your choosing, my friend.

I believe it is breath or wind. There are figurative uses of the word but I believe the basic meaning is breath or wind.

 

[JLB]

Which scriptures say man is spirit ? Are you suggesting man is a god ?

I'm suggesting that the being's that God creates are spirit beings, whether human or angelic.

The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
Zechariah 12:1

God Himself created man' spirit.

Man reproduces the body.

For flesh gives birth to flesh and The Spirit gives birth to spirit.

God is the Father of spirits.

Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? Hebrews 12:9
We are a spirit with a soul and body.

JLB

 

[JLB]

Using this same argument, we can then conclude that angels are also made in the image of God and that God is also a physical being.

Angels are spirits.

God created Adam from the dust of the ground.

God breathed into Adam his Spirit, as Adams life and spirit came from God.

The dust of the ground became living because God breathed into Adam and gave him a spirit.

When man's spirit leaves mans body, the body dies but the man continues to exist.

Man is a spirit being because man continues to exist after the body is dead.

Adam and Eve reproduced Seth.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

God is the Father of spirits.

God is Spirit.

All spirits have there origin from God.

The spirit of man is formed in man by God, not by man.

Man is a spirit.


JLB

 

[jeff77]

I have been trying to catch up with this thread and read the last 120 or so post. The question about man is a spirit made me think a little. I don't think man is a spirit alone, but a spirit with a body. I don't know if the 2 are inseparable but it seems that the spirit part of man has more importance than the body. I have read some post saying that when our bodies are resurrected they do not become immaterial spirit bodies. Perhaps we will still have physical bodies but with supernatural qualities that make them indestructible considering we cannot feel pain, get tired etc...To me it seems that some people think that we will have some kind of spirit (ghost) body and some people think we will have flesh bodies but the point is they both have a quality that our bodies currently do not have. If we will have flesh bodies after resurrection the quality that makes them indestructible could be thought of as immaterial.

 

[Edward]

This is a false statement, as it does not include the whole counsel of God, and trys to build a doctrine from the word "soul", rather seeing that God made man in His own image and likeness.

For a man to be a living being, his body must have his spirit within.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

There are three distinct elements of a man : spirit soul and body.

The soul and spirit are the inner [spirit] man, and are distince.

12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

and again -

23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:23


I don't know why you insist in ignoring what God's Word teaches us about these things, that you would continually deny that man had a spirit soul and a body?

What possible good could come from this/

Why is it so important for you to deny what The word says, so plainly and clearly.

We are spirit soul and body.

16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. Romans 8:16

Two distinct and different spirit's are indicated here; God's Spirit and our spirit.


JLB

There you go brother, in black and white.

I've already addressed these passages. You keep saying that man is a spirit yet none of these passages say man is a spirit. I never said that man doesn't have a spirit in him, he does, it's God's. So, yes, the Holy Breath bears witness with our breath of life, However, that doesn't mean we are a breath.

The word spirit is metaphorical use of the word ruach or Neshamah, they literally mean wind or breath. Are you saying that man is breath, or wind?

Question, does man have breath or is he breath?

When the Scriptures talk about "our" spirit it refers to the spirit in a particular individual or group. It does't mean you are a spirit. I mean, if I say my truck, it doesn't mean I am a truck, I have a truck. If I say my dollar, it doesn't mean I am a dollar, I have a dollar. If I say my spirit, it doesn't mean I am a spirit, I have a spirit.

So it's not man's spirit? God bears witness to his own spirit? Uhhh, ok.
It's not God's spirit. It says so plainly in the Romans 8:16 passage that brother JLB posted.

Brother, what you're saying does not make sense according to scripture. To go to great lengths to make it say something else is...very odd. I notice that when some people don't understand something in scripture (or for some reason do not want to believe it) they say oh it's metaphorical. I think what we need to do, when we read scripture, is to try to read it as literally as possible, and consider that there may be things that we just do not understand, because (a) we are feeble minded flesh, and (b) we have been lied to our entire lives.

Are you saying that man is breath, or wind?

Yes, why not? Do you (we) understand spiritual beings, spirits, how they function, operate and live? No, there is much of the spiritual realm that we do not comprehend as of yet. If what you say is true, (that wind or breath) is somehow insignificant (by your tone and implication of your statement)...then what does it mean to live for the spirit? to live for the wind (which is insignificant)? That does not compute brother. I'm sorry, but you are incorrect about this.

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life./

It is the flesh that is insignificant.