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Body, Soul, and Spirit

I have been trying to catch up with this thread and read the last 120 or so post. The question about man is a spirit made me think a little. I don't think man is a spirit alone, but a spirit with a body. I don't know if the 2 are inseparable but it seems that the spirit part of man has more importance than the body. I have read some post saying that when our bodies are resurrected they do not become immaterial spirit bodies. Perhaps we will still have physical bodies but with supernatural qualities that make them indestructible considering we cannot feel pain, get tired etc...To me it seems that some people think that we will have some kind of spirit (ghost) body and some people think we will have flesh bodies but the point is they both have a quality that our bodies currently do not have. If we will have flesh bodies after resurrection the quality that makes them indestructible could be thought of as immaterial.

I like your post. You know that there are things that we do not understand. The qualities of a spirit, is something that we do not grasp completely (or hardly at all!) We do not need to be able to understand God to be able to have faith in Him and trust Him. His thoughts are above our thoughts, and His ways above our ways. Trust.

We are told to live for the spirit over and over in scripture. I think this is very important. We need to try to understand spirits, to cultivate our own spirit and put the old man (flesh) down. We are told not to live for the flesh. it is death. This is why we are told to be as little children, and receive the truth. We need to learn all over again how to live. We are all ignorant of the spiritual realm and it's qualities, and need to be pressing towards it and being conscious of our spirit and other spirits. Is it important for us to know these things? Ohhhh, this is a no-brainer. it's so important that this is why we were lied to about it and kept in the dark. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but spirits.
 
I believe it is breath or wind. There are figurative uses of the word but I believe the basic meaning is breath or wind.

That works. So man (is) a soul that (has) a spirit and body. I can agree with that.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I think these other posters are thinking you believe that man doesn't (have) a spirit at all, that's why they confused. The (is) (has) and (have).

When the Scriptures talk about "our" spirit it refers to the spirit in a particular individual or group. It does't mean you are a spirit. I mean, if I say my truck, it doesn't mean I am a truck, I have a truck. If I say my dollar, it doesn't mean I am a dollar, I have a dollar. If I say my spirit, it doesn't mean I am a spirit, I have a spirit.

I see what you're saying here. This makes sense, good work here Butch.
 
I like your post. You know that there are things that we do not understand. The qualities of a spirit, is something that we do not grasp completely (or hardly at all!) We do not need to be able to understand God to be able to have faith in Him and trust Him. His thoughts are above our thoughts, and His ways above our ways. Trust.

We are told to live for the spirit over and over in scripture. I think this is very important. We need to try to understand spirits, to cultivate our own spirit and put the old man (flesh) down. We are told not to live for the flesh. it is death. This is why we are told to be as little children, and receive the truth. We need to learn all over again how to live. We are all ignorant of the spiritual realm and it's qualities, and need to be pressing towards it and being conscious of our spirit and other spirits. Is it important for us to know these things? Ohhhh, this is a no-brainer. it's so important that this is why we were lied to about it and kept in the dark. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but spirits.

I agree Edward, there are a lot of things we can't fully understand in this life at least.
 
I'm suggesting that the being's that God creates are spirit beings, whether human or angelic.

The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
Zechariah 12:1

God Himself created man' spirit.

Man reproduces the body.

For flesh gives birth to flesh and The Spirit gives birth to spirit.

God is the Father of spirits.

Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? Hebrews 12:9
We are a spirit with a soul and body.

JLB

Adam was directly created by God right and was a living soul right. So according to your argument Adam was a directly created spirit being without a body ?

Gen 2:7 KJV And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul (
nephesh )

And yet we see that the people reproduced by man are also living souls ( nephesh )

Gen 9:16 KJV And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature ( nephesh ) of all flesh that is upon the earth.





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There you go brother, in black and white.



So it's not man's spirit? God bears witness to his own spirit? Uhhh, ok.
It's not God's spirit. It says so plainly in the Romans 8:16 passage that brother JLB posted.

Brother, what you're saying does not make sense according to scripture. To go to great lengths to make it say something else is...very odd. I notice that when some people don't understand something in scripture (or for some reason do not want to believe it) they say oh it's metaphorical. I think what we need to do, when we read scripture, is to try to read it as literally as possible, and consider that there may be things that we just do not understand, because (a) we are feeble minded flesh, and (b) we have been lied to our entire lives.

HI Edward,

This has been addressed. Romans 8 says nothing about man "being" a spirit. What I'm saying makes perfect sense. It's going to great lengths to argue that man "IS" a spirit when there is not a "single" passage of Scripture that says that. If you do a computer search you will not find a passage that says man is a spirit. Paul said in Romans 8 that God's Spirit bears witness with our spirit. "our" spirit or "my" spirit doesn't mean "I am" a spirit. I have a truck that doesn't mean I am a truck. I have a camera, that doesn't mean I am a camera. I have a spirit that doesn't mean I am a spirit. That Paul used the "our" spirit proves that man isn't a spirit. If man was a spirit the Paul would have need to say God's spirit bears witness with "us". He didn't say that,he said with our spirit. The fact that he said "our" spirit indicates that the spirit is a component of man and not the man.

I've made my case from Scripture and what I've posted supports what I've said. On the hand, as I pointed out, there is not a single passage of Scripture that says man is a spirit. As I've already said, everything that have been posted to counter what I've said, says that man "HAS" a spirit. I've never denied that man has a spirit, I've said that man is not a spirit.



Yes, why not? Do you (we) understand spiritual beings, spirits, how they function, operate and live? No, there is much of the spiritual realm that we do not comprehend as of yet. If what you say is true, (that wind or breath) is somehow insignificant (by your tone and implication of your statement)...then what does it mean to live for the spirit? to live for the wind (which is insignificant)? That does not compute brother. I'm sorry, but you are incorrect about this.

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life./

It is the flesh that is insignificant.

I don't thin what we don't know isn't really relevant, what do know is. The Scriptures are clear on what a man is if we'll simply look at them without preconceptions.
 
That works. So man (is) a soul that (has) a spirit and body. I can agree with that.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I think these other posters are thinking you believe that man doesn't (have) a spirit at all, that's why they confused. The (is) (has) and (have).



I see what you're saying here. This makes sense, good work here Butch.

Hi DSR81,

I think a lot of it is trying to see things without preconceptions. We have preconceptions we bring to the text and I think when one tries to filter what I'm saying through what they already believe it doesn't make sense. That's why I made the case in the beginning from Gen 2:7. When we studied this initially we tried to set aside all of our preconceptions and just look at what the text said. We tried not to read anything into the text nor make assumptions about what we thought it might men we just looked at the words on the page. When we did that many things became much more clear.
 
HI Edward,

This has been addressed. Romans 8 says nothing about man "being" a spirit. What I'm saying makes perfect sense. It's going to great lengths to argue that man "IS" a spirit when there is not a "single" passage of Scripture that says that. If you do a computer search you will not find a passage that says man is a spirit. Paul said in Romans 8 that God's Spirit bears witness with our spirit. "our" spirit or "my" spirit doesn't mean "I am" a spirit. I have a truck that doesn't mean I am a truck. I have a camera, that doesn't mean I am a camera. I have a spirit that doesn't mean I am a spirit. That Paul used the "our" spirit proves that man isn't a spirit. If man was a spirit the Paul would have need to say God's spirit bears witness with "us". He didn't say that,he said with our spirit. The fact that he said "our" spirit indicates that the spirit is a component of man and not the man.

I've made my case from Scripture and what I've posted supports what I've said. On the hand, as I pointed out, there is not a single passage of Scripture that says man is a spirit. As I've already said, everything that have been posted to counter what I've said, says that man "HAS" a spirit. I've never denied that man has a spirit, I've said that man is not a spirit.





I don't thin what we don't know isn't really relevant, what do know is. The Scriptures are clear on what a man is if we'll simply look at them without preconceptions.

Yes, if I seen you drive by in your truck, I would say, there goes Butch. But Butch is not the truck, but he sure is "in there".

So if man is comprised of body and soul, but has a spirit...then what happens when people are condemned and go to hell? The body returns to the dust of the ground and does not go to hell, that's a given and plain. So if Gods 'Spirit' returns to him, then our soul only goes to hell? It will not be conscious in hell (for the body is not with him, so no "life" or consciousness?
 
Yes, if I seen you drive by in your truck, I would say, there goes Butch. But Butch is not the truck, but he sure is "in there".

So if man is comprised of body and soul, but has a spirit...then what happens when people are condemned and go to hell? The body returns to the dust of the ground and does not go to hell, that's a given and plain. So if Gods 'Spirit' returns to him, then our soul only goes to hell? It will not be conscious in hell (for the body is not with him, so no "life" or consciousness?

According to Gen 2:7 man is a soul comprised of a body and spirit. Ecc 3 says when the man dies the body goes to the dust and the spirit turns to God. When Christ returns and judges the wicked they will be resurrected from the dead into their bodies, they will be judged and ultimately thrown bodily into the lake of fire.
 
Yes, if I seen you drive by in your truck, I would say, there goes Butch. But Butch is not the truck, but he sure is "in there".

So if man is comprised of body and soul, but has a spirit...then what happens when people are condemned and go to hell? The body returns to the dust of the ground and does not go to hell, that's a given and plain. So if Gods 'Spirit' returns to him, then our soul only goes to hell? It will not be conscious in hell (for the body is not with him, so no "life" or consciousness?

Which hell are you talking about here Hades or Gehenna ?
 
Which hell are you talking about here Hades or Gehenna ?

They are both associated with fire and torment!

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off : it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mark 9:43


23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said , Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Luke 16:23-24


Can we be thankful that God in His mercy has sent His Only begotten Son to die on the cross for our sins, that we may dwell with Him forever.



JLB
 
Which hell are you talking about here Hades or Gehenna ?

I was talking about the lake of fire hell, though apparently they both burn as JLB noted. I do have to admit to knowing more about the kingdom of God than Hell because I have no plan to go to hell so study the KoG more. :)
 
I was talking about the lake of fire hell, though apparently they both burn as JLB noted. I do have to admit to knowing more about the kingdom of God than Hell because I have no plan to go to hell so study the KoG more. :)

It's probably a good idea to have a good understanding of hell considering it's a usual subject when witnessing. Have you ever looked at all the passages using hell in your Bible and understood when it's talking about Hades and when Gehenna or the LoF etc and what the difference between these are ?

Use your Strong's or YLT.
 
Hi Guys,

I came across another passage of Scripture while listening to an audio that supports what I said in the OP. This is an interesting passage,

YLT Genesis 6:3 And Jehovah saith, 'My Spirit doth not strive in man -- to the age; in their erring they are flesh:' and his days have been an hundred and twenty years. (Gen 6:3 YLT)

I couldn't find a translation that rendered this passage exactly literally. Young's was about hte closest, however, the Greek test doesn't have the word "erring" in it. It says they are flesh. Also the word strive in not in the text the word is actually live or remain. The NET Bible renders it this way.

NET Genesis 6:3 So the LORD said, "My spirit will not remain in humankind indefinitely, since they are mortal. They will remain for 120 more years." (Gen 6:3 NET)


The passage clearly says that man is flesh but notice that it is Gods spirit in him, This is just what we see in Gen 2:7 a flesh body and God's spirit.
 
Hi Guys,

I came across another passage of Scripture while listening to an audio that supports what I said in the OP. This is an interesting passage,

YLT Genesis 6:3 And Jehovah saith, 'My Spirit doth not strive in man -- to the age; in their erring they are flesh:' and his days have been an hundred and twenty years. (Gen 6:3 YLT)

I couldn't find a translation that rendered this passage exactly literally. Young's was about hte closest, however, the Greek test doesn't have the word "erring" in it. It says they are flesh. Also the word strive in not in the text the word is actually live or remain. The NET Bible renders it this way.

NET Genesis 6:3 So the LORD said, "My spirit will not remain in humankind indefinitely, since they are mortal. They will remain for 120 more years." (Gen 6:3 NET)


The passage clearly says that man is flesh but notice that it is Gods spirit in him, This is just what we see in Gen 2:7 a flesh body and God's spirit.

Hi Butch,
I think some problems arise when we look at the Hebrew text compared to the NET.

Ok taking the translation of NET.
"will not remain in humankind" or mankind.
Another translation from the LXX, says "among mankind"
"since they are mortal" or flesh

I don't have access to the LXX with a word for word to see what Greek word is used for flesh, is it sarx?
But I did look at the Hebrew, the word translated 'flesh,erring flesh' is actually a compound of two Hebrew word.
H1320 and H7683. basar and shagag
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen6.pdf
Basar can certainly be rendered as flesh but what about shagag? It means, "to go astray, err, commit sin or error"
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H7683&t=KJV

The Hebrew for the word translated as 'strive' or 'remain' that word is H1777.
  1. to judge, contend, plead
    1. (Qal)
      1. to act as judge, minister judgment

      2. to plead a cause

      3. to execute judgment, requite, vindicate

      4. to govern

      5. to contend, strive
    2. (Niphal) to be at strife, quarrel
The NET says "They will remain for 120 more years." In context, God is saying that He is only going to remain, strive, put up with (my para) man for another 120 more years.
This is the count down to the flood.
Who is "they"? The evil ones that God describes in this scripture.

This cannot possibly be talking about how long a man will live his life or be in his physical flesh.
Shem lived 600 yrs. and his oldest son lived 483 yrs. Gen.11
This son of Shem was born two years after the flood when Shem was 102 yrs. old.

So when I look at all this information I would say the YLT got right. "erring flesh".
 
Hi Butch,
I think some problems arise when we look at the Hebrew text compared to the NET.

Ok taking the translation of NET.
"will not remain in humankind" or mankind.
Another translation from the LXX, says "among mankind"
"since they are mortal" or flesh

I don't have access to the LXX with a word for word to see what Greek word is used for flesh, is it sarx?
But I did look at the Hebrew, the word translated 'flesh,erring flesh' is actually a compound of two Hebrew word.
H1320 and H7683. basar and shagag
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen6.pdf
Basar can certainly be rendered as flesh but what about shagag? It means, "to go astray, err, commit sin or error"
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H7683&t=KJV

The Hebrew for the word translated as 'strive' or 'remain' that word is H1777.
  1. to judge, contend, plead
    1. (Qal)
      1. to act as judge, minister judgment

      2. to plead a cause

      3. to execute judgment, requite, vindicate

      4. to govern

      5. to contend, strive
    2. (Niphal) to be at strife, quarrel
The NET says "They will remain for 120 more years." In context, God is saying that He is only going to remain, strive, put up with (my para) man for another 120 more years.
This is the count down to the flood.
Who is "they"? The evil ones that God describes in this scripture.

This cannot possibly be talking about how long a man will live his life or be in his physical flesh.
Shem lived 600 yrs. and his oldest son lived 483 yrs. Gen.11
This son of Shem was born two years after the flood when Shem was 102 yrs. old.

So when I look at all this information I would say the YLT got right. "erring flesh".

Hi Deb,

Actually, I didn't look at the Hebrew text so thank you for posting that. I went straight to the LXX. I usually give it priority over the Hebrew text. I wasn't even thinking about Young's using the Hebrew text (don't ask why).The LXX doesn't say anything about "erring" that's why I said I couldn't find an accurate translation.

Regarding the 120 years, I don't believe it is a count down to the flood I don't think those numbers align. I believe the 120 Yeas is a reference to the Jubilee. .The word year means a cycle, I believe God was saying man would continue for 120 Jubilee cycles (years)/ I believe it was a jubilee year when He said it and that man would live under the curse for 120 jubilee cycles which is 6000 years.
 
Hi Deb,

Actually, I didn't look at the Hebrew text so thank you for posting that. I went straight to the LXX. I usually give it priority over the Hebrew text. I wasn't even thinking about Young's using the Hebrew text (don't ask why).The LXX doesn't say anything about "erring" that's why I said I couldn't find an accurate translation.

Regarding the 120 years, I don't believe it is a count down to the flood I don't think those numbers align. I believe the 120 Yeas is a reference to the Jubilee. .The word year means a cycle, I believe God was saying man would continue for 120 Jubilee cycles (years)/ I believe it was a jubilee year when He said it and that man would live under the curse for 120 jubilee cycles which is 6000 years.

That's interesting consideration. I'll think about that, thanks.
 
that is interesting, could you explain if there is any other points that have drawn you to this consideration of the jubilee cycles?

Digging
 
Hi Deb,

Actually, I didn't look at the Hebrew text so thank you for posting that. I went straight to the LXX. I usually give it priority over the Hebrew text. I wasn't even thinking about Young's using the Hebrew text (don't ask why).The LXX doesn't say anything about "erring" that's why I said I couldn't find an accurate translation.

Regarding the 120 years, I don't believe it is a count down to the flood I don't think those numbers align. I believe the 120 Yeas is a reference to the Jubilee. .The word year means a cycle, I believe God was saying man would continue for 120 Jubilee cycles (years)/ I believe it was a jubilee year when He said it and that man would live under the curse for 120 jubilee cycles which is 6000 years.

I haven't heard this idea before Butch interesting. If this is the meaning why did Yahweh make this proclamation prior to Noah's flood and also wouldn't this mean we have a fairly accurate date for Jesus return ?
 
that is interesting, could you explain if there is any other points that have drawn you to this consideration of the jubilee cycles?

Digging

Hi Digging,

It seems there was a teaching among the early Christians that the 6 days of creation were both historic and prophetic. They said the 6 days of creation were also prophetic of a 6000 year period where man would be under the curse. There are hints of this in the Scriptures but it's not taught directly, If you add up 120 Jubilee cycles it equals 6000 years. The Jubilee is the 50th year in the cycle that God gave the Jews to keep. They were to work the land for 6 years and let it rest on the 7th. This was called a week, it was a week of years. they were to do this 7 time which was a total of 49 years, the 50th was to be a year of Jubilee where they were not to work the land, all debts were canceled, all land returned to the original owner etc. The problem was that the Jews didn't really do this and which is the reason for the Babylonian captivity where God removed them from the and gave the land a 70 year rest. It was one year for each of the Jubilee years that they had neglected.


7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation, And said,`They always go astray in their heart, And they have not known My ways.'
11 So I swore in My wrath,`They shall not enter My rest.'"
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
15 while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses?
17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
NKJ Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath,`They shall not enter My rest,'" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works";
5 and again in this place: "They shall not enter My rest."
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today," after such a long time, as it has been said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts."
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. (Heb 3:7-11 NKJ)

Paul speaks of entering God's rest as the 7th day, this implies that there are 6 prior days. The rest is entering the kingdom which is according to Revelation is the 1000 year reign of Christ. If there are 6 days prior to this it would imply 6000 years. There are statements in the Scriptures that seem to be indicating this for instance,

8 "Blow the ram's horn in Gibeah, The trumpet in Ramah! Cry aloud at Beth Aven,`Look behind you, O Benjamin!'
9 Ephraim shall be desolate in the day of rebuke; Among the tribes of Israel I make known what is sure.
10 "The princes of Judah are like those who remove a landmark; I will pour out My wrath on them like water.
11 Ephraim is oppressed and broken in judgment, Because he willingly walked by human precept.
12 Therefore I will be to Ephraim like a moth, And to the house of Judah like rottenness.
13 "When Ephraim saw his sickness, And Judah saw his wound, Then Ephraim went to Assyria And sent to King Jareb; Yet he cannot cure you, Nor heal you of your wound.
14 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, And like a young lion to the house of Judah. I, even I, will tear them and go away; I will take them away, and no one shall rescue.
15 I will return again to My place Till they acknowledge their offense. Then they will seek My face; In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me."

NKJ Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return to the LORD; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight.
3 Let us know, Let us pursue the knowledge of the LORD. His going forth is established as the morning; He will come to us like the rain, Like the latter and former rain to the earth.
4 "O Ephraim, what shall I do to you? O Judah, what shall I do to you? For your faithfulness is like a morning cloud, And like the early dew it goes away.
5 Therefore I have hewn them by the prophets, I have slain them by the words of My mouth; And your judgments are like light that goes forth.
6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice, And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
7 "But like men1 they transgressed the covenant; There they dealt treacherously with Me.
8 Gilead is a city of evildoers, And defiled with blood.
9 As bands of robbers lie in wait for a man, So the company of priests murder on the way to Shechem; Surely they commit lewdness.
10 I have seen a horrible thing in the house of Israel: There is the harlotry of Ephraim; Israel is defiled.
11 Also, O Judah, a harvest is appointed for you, When I return the captives of My people. (Hos 5:8-11 NKJ)

In this passage God has brought judgment on Israel, however, notice the passage says, "after two day He will revive us; on the third day He will raise us up."

Compare that with a statement that Jesus made.

31 On that very day some Pharisees came, saying to Him, "Get out and depart from here, for Herod wants to kill You."
32 And He said to them, "Go, tell that fox,`Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.' (Luk 13:31-32 NKJ)

Scripture says a day with the Lord is as a thousand years. I think most scholars accept that there are 2000 years from creation to Abraham and 2000 years from Abraham to Christ, that's a total of 4000 years. At the crucifixion the veil on the temple was torn, i believe this is an indication that God had gone away from the Jews, in the passage from Hosea God said He would go away. In Romans Paul says that the Jews were rejected util the fullness of the Gentiles has come in then the Jews will return. In Hosea God said He would return to His place until the Jews sought Him. The passage says that at that time, after two days God will revive them. Jesus said He's working two days and will be perfected on the third. If these are prophetic days (1000 years) it brings things to a completion in 6000 thousand year. There were 4000 years from creation to Christ then the "after two days" of Hosea and the "today and tomorrow" that Jesus spoke of for a total of 6000 years. That would mean that the 7th day, Christ's kingdom, would begin at the 7000th year.

If you start the Jubilee calendar at creation there are quite a few things that fall on Jubilee years that are hard to chalk up to coincidence. For instance, Abraham and Isaac were born on Jubilee years. The Jubilee we are year of release, the Exodus was Israel's release and happened on the 50th jubilee, a jubilee of jubilees. I think the Babylonian exile of 70 years was on the 70th Jubilees. It's very interesting to say the least and I think there is a good bit of evidence. Here is a quote from the book of Barnabas. For more quotes see, "The Early Church and Six thousand Years"



Barnabas, (AD 70-130)

““And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.” Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, “Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years.” (Ps. 90:4; 2 Pet. 3:8) Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. “And He rested on the seventh day.” This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.”
 
I haven't heard this idea before Butch interesting. If this is the meaning why did Yahweh make this proclamation prior to Noah's flood and also wouldn't this mean we have a fairly accurate date for Jesus return ?

Hi Agua,

I'm not sure why God said it that particular time, I hadn't given that any thought. To answer your second question, yes, I do believe we have fairly accurate time. There is a calendar in the Scriptures and it is accurate, the problem is the date in the calendar we use today. Tying the two calendars together is the problem.
 
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