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Body, Soul, and Spirit
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Butch5
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No I'm not. Those passages have been addressed numerous times.
This scripture is not talking about God preaching to dead spirits in the afterlife. The words them that are dead, refer to Christian believers who had died. The gospel had been preached to them, and they had become Christians. As a result of this they had been judged according to men while they were on earth. This judgment was in the form of persecution because of their Christian testimony.
1 Peter 4:6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
Stan1953
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Yes you are, unless you can show otherwise and nothing in the OP addresses my concern as noted. Denial is not corroboration now is it?
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Stan1953
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No, sorry, read v5... "But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead."
If there is nothing after death Peter wouldn't say this.
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agua.
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Hi Stan,
Judging the living and dead is referencing the judgement after the resurrection when Jesus returns.
2Ti 4:1 KJV I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
After death comes judgement but this doesn't happen until Jesus returns.
Heb 9:26-28 KJV For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. (27) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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agua.
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Sorry about that Rebs. Digging has started a new thread on the subject.
What is dead?
Luk 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
Col_2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col_3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Jas_2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
1Ti_5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
Luk 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
Col_2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col_3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Jas_2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
1Ti_5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
Hi Stan, blessings. The dead in v5 and the dead in v6 are not the same. Peter is talking about two different story lines, different circumstances. There (is) something after death, the bema seat of Christ and the great white throne. But these judgment seats come at the first resurrection and then after the 1000 year reign. These judgment seats do not happen right after you die. All believers will have to wait until the first resurrection, and all nonbelievers wait until after the 1000 year reign. Between death and the first resurrection, believers' souls and bodies in Christ are resting in Hades the grave, the abode of the dead. And in the grave the dead know nothing Eccl 9:5.
Yes, in the grave is where a dead body is buried, and they know nothing because their spirit has left the body.
For the body without the spirit is dead.
JLB
Eccl 12:7 speaks of God reserving your spirit until the first resurrection. The ownership of your spirit belongs to God. When you die your spirit goes back to God to its rightful owner. The spirit in us is (the breath) of God. The spirit is not ghostly figures walking around, it is simply the spirit of God's (breath) given to us. Gen 2:7
Stan1953
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That was not my point. The issue is those who die DON'T cease to exist. They wait in hell for the judgment or in paradise for Jesus' return. Isn't that what the OP was asserting, that they cease to exist?
Stan1953
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Dead are dead DRS. They either wait in hell or paradise The point is not the judgement seat, the point is people's soul/spirit do NOT cease to exist when they die physically.
Gen 2:7 says that the spirit in us is the breath of God given to us, not ghostly figures walking around in hell or paradise. Spirits walking around waiting in hell or paradise is Hollywood fiction Stan. Our spirit is the breath. BREATH. Yes dead is dead, and the dead know nothing. Eccl 9:5. All people believers and nonbelievers are in the grave awaiting their judgment. The point (is) the judgment seats. There are two judgments, the first judgment is at the first resurrection when believers are caught up in rapture (the bema seat of Christ). The second judgment is after the 1000 year reign of nonbelievers (the great white throne). Believers that are dead in Christ that haven't met Jesus yet will meet Him for the first time at the first resurrection (at the bema seat). - DRS81
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agua.
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2Tim 4:1 and Hebrews 9:26=28 suggest the dead are raised when Jesus returns and then judged. The dead don't cease to exist until after the judgement because of the resurrection.
Deborah13
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imo
Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the
world (aion = age/ages) hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
He sacrificed Himself at the Cross, it will not be done again, that is when He put away sin, He was the propitiation for sin.
What age is being spoken of but the all the ages before and especially the age of the high priest in v25.
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agua.
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Yes Deb that's right I was mostly refering to vs 27.
Heb 9:27 KJV And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
We know the judgement isn't until after Jesus returns and not immediately after death.
Stan1953
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Yes, we are God breathed, unlike all other life He created alive. God's breath cannot be destroyed or obliterated, and it does NOT cease to exist as animals do when they die. They don't have God's breath in them.
(Edited, ToS 2.4, Do not make an inflammatory remarks. Obadiah.)
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Stan1953
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The OP is about dead unsaved sinners agua. The dead don't cease to exist ever.
Stan1953
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When the Bible uses dead, depending on the context, it is either actual death or effectual death. Always refers to the body.