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Body, Soul, and Spirit

Stan1953 said:
Yes, we are God breathed, unlike all other life He created alive. God's breath cannot be destroyed or obliterated, and it does NOT cease to exist as animals do when they die. They don't have God's breath in them.
(Edited, ToS 2.4, Do not make an inflammatory remarks. Obadiah.)
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But if you're dead how can a person wait in paradise or in hell. Don't you have to be conscious of what you're waiting for?

Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
 
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DRS81 said:
But if you're dead how can a person wait in paradise or in hell. Don't you have to be conscious of what you're waiting for?
Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
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You either don't understand the context of Eccl, (Edited, ToS 2.4, Do not make an inflammatory remarks. Obadiah.)Solomon wrote it in a back slidden and elderly state, and from the perspective of the living, dead people don't know anything. They are NOT aware of this life.
 
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Stan1953 said:
(Edited, ToS 2.4.Do not make an inflammatory remark. Obadiah) .Solomon wrote it in a back slidden and elderly state, and from the perspective of the living, dead people don't know anything. They are NOT aware of this life.
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So what is your definition of the word (dead).
 
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DRS81 said:
But if you're dead how can a person wait in paradise or in hell. Don't you have to be conscious of what you're waiting for?

Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
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A dead body knows nothing as it lies in the grave.

The person's spirit that leaves the body is fully conscience.
 
(Edited and removed, ToS 2.4.Do not make an inflammatory remark. Obadiah)
 
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agua. said:
Yes Deb that's right I was mostly refering to vs 27.

Heb 9:27 KJV And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

We know the judgement isn't until after Jesus returns and not immediately after death.
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Opps, Sorry agua, I didn't read the =28. No wonder I couldn't figure out where you going!
Ok 9:27, I do not believe this is speaking of the final eternal judgement because of the Phil. and the the 2 Corinth. statements.
 
DRS81 said:
Ok good, so if people are dead then how are they waiting in paradise and hell after they die.



That doesn't make sense. How can (breath alone) have consciousness.
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Your spirit/soul continues to exist even though the body is dead.

Your body does not have consciencness when it dies.

JLB
 
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JLB said:
Your spirit/soul continues to exist even though the body is dead.

Your body does not have consciencness when it dies.

JLB
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No, your spirit is your breath and your breath that gave you life goes back to God.
Your soul goes to the grave to rest with your body.
Your soul and body are both resurrected at the first resurrection to re-connect with your spirit that is from God.
 
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A Quote From the OP - Body, Soul, and Spirit

I’d like to look at a few passages of Scripture that I believe support this view that I’m expounding.

14 If He should set His heart on it, If He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath,
15 All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dust. (Job 34:14-15 NKJ)

The book of Job records that if God were to retrieve His spirit (ruwach) and His breath )Neshamah) all flesh would die and man would return to the dust.
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First I'd like to say that we know that many of the old scriptures in the Bible are from what men said and they did not have a complete revelation of the truth. The prophets seemed to have the most enlightenment about the things to come and the relationship between God, Christ, and man. I believe Job is correct in his statement above, I also believe Isaiah is correct.

Job_7:11 Also I--I withhold not my mouth--I speak in the distress of my spirit, I talk in the bitterness of my soul.

1Sa_1:15 And Hannah answereth and saith, `No, my lord, A woman sharply pained in spirit I am , and wine and strong drink I have not drunk, and I pour out my soul before Jehovah;

Isa 26:9 With my soul I desired Thee in the night, Also, with my spirit within me I seek Thee earnestly, For when Thy judgments are on the earth, The inhabitants of the world have learned righteousness.

In the Greek - spirit is pneuma, If pneuma is a breathe from God that made all animals and man living creatures and that's it, it's not actually apart of us as Paul says it is then what is the Holy Spirit?

Mat 12:18 `Lo, My servant, whom I did choose, My beloved, in whom My soul did delight, I will put My Spirit upon him, and judgment to the nations he shall declare,

My Spirit = My Pneuma
It's seems to me this pneuma can be grieved, gives knowledge, prays, etc.
I'm not saying that our spirit in just like the Holy Spirit, but Paul said he prayed with his spirit, 1 Corinthians 14:14.
 
Stan1953 said:
Yes you are, unless you can show otherwise and nothing in the OP addresses my concern as noted. Denial is not corroboration now is it?
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What passages are your referring to? The passages that you've presented have been addressed time and again. What i posted in the op is what the scriptures teach.
 
Stan1953 said:
Yes, we are God breathed, unlike all other life He created alive. God's breath cannot be destroyed or obliterated, and it does NOT cease to exist as animals do when they die. They don't have God's breath in them.
It is factual from scripture DRS, or was Jesus lying in your view?
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Actually, Scripture indicates that God's breath is in all flesh
 
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