Body, Soul, and Spirit

[His_nee (Jeff)]

How to find out and understand is much much different than the usual approach. Simply, .... (for example and instruction).... (from philologos 'e.w.bullinger'; )

"And we are taught (verse 38) that the answer to all such enquiries is "the gift of God," and "the Power of God." "

"When Nicodemus asked "How can these things be?" The answer was "God so loved the world that he GAVE," &c. (John iii. 9, 16). When the woman of Samaria asked "How canst Thou, being a Jew, ask drink of me, &c."? The answer was "if thou knewest the GIFT of God... thou wouldst have asked of Him and He would have GIVEN thee living water" (John iv. 9, 10). And so here, when one asks "how are the dead raised up?" The answer is, "God GIVETH it a body as it hath pleased Him" (I Cor. xv. 35, 38). So that all our enquiries are met, and all our difficulties are removed by "the word of God" and by "the power of God." Faith in this Word and in this power can alone deal with this and all other mysteries whether they be Incarnation, Advent, or Resurrection. When the Apostles used their reason, instead of faith in God's Revelation, they failed to understand the plainest of Christ's prophetic statements."

The whole world and most christians seek to understand with their mind and in ways they were taught by and in the world.
This doesn't work. Not for true life.
Seek Yhwh the Creator, Seek Him Himself. And all of these other things are put in place by Him. He does a Perfect Job. Let Him. Forsake the world and the flesh, the world's ways and the fleshes ways. Seek Him while He may be found, and all these things (anything and everything important for Life, generously and without reproach) will be graciously given unto you.

I've seen hundreds of written, published, on paper, online and 'onscreen' presentations all seeking to explain things of God. None of them is the Way to God, nor the Way to learn from God. Only a few had truth in them, and the Way to recognize the Truth is to learn from God, Himself. Like a little child. Like a fawn(deer) panting for the water. Learn from Him.
Then He will give Life, and Life abundantly. Life the world cannot give and cannot understand. Wisdom that the world rejects and hates and despises even.

Simply, too. God teaches simply, His children, and gently, oh so perfectly gently (He never forces, pushes, coerces or even 'prods'; very simply gently leads, as a Good Shepherd does singing/calling/ wooing a small lamb to follow).

And God knows everything. everything there is to know, God knows.

 

[Butch5]

Sure Butch. We're told this in several places in scripture. Here's a couple for you.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live./

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Actually, it just all of Romans 8 brother!

Hi Edward,

I think this is something different. Paul is admonishing his readers to walk according to the deeds of the spirit, Those deeds, however, are done in the flesh. Those things Paul wants his readers to do are physical expressions.

 

[Butch5]

Butch I think there's some confusion because we don't really know what our thoughts/mind is and how it fits with our being. I can understand why people think it's our spirit because in essence our mind is what makes us individuals imo. Can you give me a description of how our "essence" ( what we are thoughts/mind etc ) fits with God's spirit/breath ? I mean when we die the spirit returns to God right so how does our thoughts/mind return to God along with His spirit; or does it ?

Hi Agua,

It's hard to say to what degree the breath of life affects us, however, lets look at something. A spirit is immaterial, correct? Life is immaterial, correct? Many say that man is a spirit that lives in a body and that the spirit is the real man. If that was the case then why does brain damage cause loss memory? The brain is physical, if the real man is spirit then physical damage to the brain should not affect his memory is or his cognitive functions. If spirits have full memory when the person dies then they should have full memory if they have brain damage, yet they don't. If the real man is the spirit why does one's memory fade with age. If spirits are eternal it would seem that they don't age thus they should not lose cognitive function yet we see this in every human. It seems to me that what we see is evidence against the idea that man is a spirit.

 

[Butch5]

I agree with you Edward. I thought God gave us something, whether it be called a spirit or soul or breath of life Im not sure. What we choose to do with it is ours and as Christians we choose to turn our spirit or soul over to the Lord and become followers. Here is scripture to support this: Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself. KJV.

Hi Jeff,

Scripture says that the Neshamah give understanding and God gave the Neshamah so you are correct, God gives understanding.

 

[agua.]

Hi Agua,

It's hard to say to what degree the breath of life affects us, however, lets look at something. A spirit is immaterial, correct? Life is immaterial, correct? Many say that man is a spirit that lives in a body and that the spirit is the real man. If that was the case then why does brain damage cause loss memory? The brain is physical, if the real man is spirit then physical damage to the brain should not affect his memory is or his cognitive functions. If spirits have full memory when the person dies then they should have full memory if they have brain damage, yet they don't. If the real man is the spirit why does one's memory fade with age. If spirits are eternal it would seem that they don't age thus they should not lose cognitive function yet we see this in every human. It seems to me that what we see is evidence against the idea that man is a spirit.

Yeah i agree with you there Butch but remember at the resurrection everyone will be raised as themselves ie. they will have knowledge/mind of everything they've done in life imo. Do you agree ? Where does this knowledge/mind go when we die and how does it return to us ? I have an idea but I'd like to here yours thanks mate.

 

[agua.]

The inner man is what is regenerated.

14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, Ephesians 3:16

To me the heart is associated with the spirit more so than the soul of man.

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart-- These, O God, You will not despise. Psalm 51:17

A merry heart does good, like medicine, But a broken spirit dries the bones. Proverbs 17:22

A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance: but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken. Proverbs 15:13


For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12


JLB

Ok JLB ta for your ideas. There's a going on in those passages mate. When you read heart in those passages what does it mean to you ? I mean our heart is simply an organ right ?

 

[JLB]

Ok JLB ta for your ideas. There's a going on in those passages mate. When you read heart in those passages what does it mean to you ? I mean our heart is simply an organ right ?

It is a reference to your spirit.

Your natural human heart, that pumps blood, is not the dwelling place or Temple of the Holy Spirit but rather your spirit.

And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done. Genesis 8:21



For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12


To me, the way I understand it is.

IMO.

The seat of intellect of the human body is the brain.

The seat of intellect of the human soul is the mind.

The seat of intellect of the human spirit is the heart.

This is what I gather from study and reflection.


In the story of the rich man and Lazarus, it is interesting to note the the rich man had all the faculty's of his soul, such as memory, and concern for his family and that he instantly recognized Abraham, without ever meeting him, yet his brain was in the tomb in his decaying physical body.


JLB

 

[Edward]

The seat of intellect of the human spirit is the heart.

This is what I gather from study and reflection.

I agree with this brother. I've done much reflecting on this also and i believe that before the fall, we used to *think* with our heart and not the mind or brain.

 

[WIP]

Yeah i agree with you there Butch but remember at the resurrection everyone will be raised as themselves ie. they will have knowledge/mind of everything they've done in life imo. Do you agree ? Where does this knowledge/mind go when we die and how does it return to us ? I have an idea but I'd like to here yours thanks mate.

Interesting question. A thought comes to mind.

Revelation 21:
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God iswith men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

I'm searching a little here, not challenging your position or disagreeing with you but since God will make all things new and there will be no more pain or sorrow, if we remember everything including our transgressions from our life here on earth and having been saved and made in the likeness of Jesus, would not our memory brings us great sorrow and pain?

 

[agua.]

Interesting question. A thought comes to mind.

Revelation 21:
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God iswith men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

I'm searching a little here, not challenging your position or disagreeing with you but since God will make all things new and there will be no more pain or sorrow, if we remember everything including our transgressions from our life here on earth and having been saved and made in the likeness of Jesus, would not our memory brings us great sorrow and pain?

Gday WIP yeah you make sense there mate. I wonder though how could everyone give an account of themselves if we don't remember the bad stuff ? Maybe these things don't disappear until after this ?

 

[Butch5]

Yeah i agree with you there Butch but remember at the resurrection everyone will be raised as themselves ie. they will have knowledge/mind of everything they've done in life imo. Do you agree ? Where does this knowledge/mind go when we die and how does it return to us ? I have an idea but I'd like to here yours thanks mate.

Hi Agua,

I'm not sure that Scripture tells us we'll have all of our memories, however, science says that there are physical changes in the brain when memories are formed. If God simply puts the brain back together the way it is when it dies, it seems to me that once the breath of life animated it again it would be right where it left off.

 

[JLB]

Hi Agua,

I'm not sure that Scripture tells us we'll have all of our memories, however, science says that there are physical changes in the brain when memories are formed. If God simply puts the brain back together the way it is when it dies, it seems to me that once the breath of life animated it again it would be right where it left off.

Memories are not in the brain but in the mind.

JLB

 

[Butch5]

I'd like to say a little more on the passage that was presented from Mathew 10.

28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Mat 10:28 NKJ)

I wanted to look at the phrase "soul and body". I believe Jesus is alluding to Isaiah 10 in this passage. Remember Jesus was Jewish, if we're going to understand we need to think like a Jewish man, not a Greek. Here Isaiah is prophesying judgment on Israel.

12 The Syrians before and the Philistines behind; And they shall devour Israel with an open mouth. For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.
13 For the people do not turn to Him who strikes them, Nor do they seek the LORD of hosts.
14 Therefore the LORD will cut off head and tail from Israel, Palm branch and bulrush in one day.
15 The elder and honorable, he is the head; The prophet who teaches lies, he is the tail.
16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err, And those who are led by them are destroyed.
17 Therefore the Lord will have no joy in their young men, Nor have mercy on their fatherless and widows; For everyone is a hypocrite and an evildoer, And every mouth speaks folly. For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.
18 For wickedness burns as the fire; It shall devour the briers and thorns, And kindle in the thickets of the forest; They shall mount up like rising smoke.
19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts The land is burned up, And the people shall be as fuel for the fire; No man shall spare his brother.
20 And he shall snatch on the right hand And be hungry; He shall devour on the left hand And not be satisfied; Every man shall eat the flesh of his own arm.
21 Manasseh shall devour Ephraim, and Ephraim Manasseh; Together they shall be against Judah. For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.
NKJ Isaiah 10:1 "Woe to those who decree unrighteous decrees, Who write misfortune, Which they have prescribed
2 To rob the needy of justice, And to take what is right from the poor of My people, That widows may be their prey, And that they may rob the fatherless.
3 What will you do in the day of punishment, And in the desolation which will come from afar? To whom will you flee for help? And where will you leave your glory?
4 Without Me they shall bow down among the prisoners, And they shall fall among the slain." For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.
5 "Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger And the staff in whose hand is My indignation.
6 I will send him against an ungodly nation, And against the people of My wrath I will give him charge, To seize the spoil, to take the prey, And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
7 Yet he does not mean so, Nor does his heart think so; But it is in his heart to destroy, And cut off not a few nations.
8 For he says,`Are not my princes altogether kings?
9 Is not Calno like Carchemish? Is not Hamath like Arpad? Is not Samaria like Damascus?
10 As my hand has found the kingdoms of the idols, Whose carved images excelled those of Jerusalem and Samaria,
11 As I have done to Samaria and her idols, Shall I not do also to Jerusalem and her idols?'"
12 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Lord has performed all His work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, that He will say, "I will punish the fruit of the arrogant heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his haughty looks."
13 For he says: "By the strength of my hand I have done it, And by my wisdom, for I am prudent; Also I have removed the boundaries of the people, And have robbed their treasuries; So I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man.
14 My hand has found like a nest the riches of the people, And as one gathers eggs that are left, I have gathered all the earth; And there was no one who moved his wing, Nor opened his mouth with even a peep."
15 Shall the ax boast itself against him who chops with it? Or shall the saw exalt itself against him who saws with it? As if a rod could wield itself against those who lift it up, Or as if a staff could lift up, as if it were not wood!
16 Therefore the Lord, the Lord1 of hosts, Will send leanness among his fat ones; And under his glory He will kindle a burning Like the burning of a fire.
17 So the Light of Israel will be for a fire, And his Holy One for a flame; It will burn and devour His thorns and his briers in one day.
18 And it will consume the glory of his forest and of his fruitful field, Both soul and body; And they will be as when a sick man wastes away.
19 Then the rest of the trees of his forest Will be so few in number That a child may write them.
20 And it shall come to pass in that day That the remnant of Israel, And such as have escaped of the house of Jacob, Will never again depend on him who defeated them, But will depend on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
21 The remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, To the Mighty God.
22 For though your people, O Israel, be as the sand of the sea, A remnant of them will return; The destruction decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
23 For the Lord GOD of hosts (Isa 9:12-23 NKJ)

Isaiah talks about God burning up the forest in one day, the forest is a metaphor for Israel. He said the people would be fuel for the fire. Notice he said the fire would consume both soul and body. This is the same term Jesus used in Mathew 10:28. We can see from the context of Isaiah that it is speaking of burning up the wicked who rebel against God. We can see that they are consumed.

Jesus also spoke of soul and body in another passage.

25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? (Mat 6:25 NKJ)

The word translated "life" is the word "soul". Notice Jesus said don't worry about your soul, what you will eat or drink. Souls can eat and drink. What does food and drink sustain, an immaterial consciousness or a physical body? The answer is obviously a physical body. Or, we could say life. Food and drink sustain life, however, it is physical life that they sustain not a disembodied consciousness. We can see from this passage as well as others we've looked at that a soul requires a physical body.

 

[JLB]

I'd like to say a little more on the passage that was presented from Mathew 10.

28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Mat 10:28 NKJ)

I wanted to look at the phrase "soul and body". I believe Jesus is alluding to Isaiah 10 in this passage. Remember Jesus was Jewish, if we're going to understand we need to think like a Jewish man, not a Greek. Here Isaiah is prophesying judgment on Israel.

12 The Syrians before and the Philistines behind; And they shall devour Israel with an open mouth. For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.
13 For the people do not turn to Him who strikes them, Nor do they seek the LORD of hosts.
14 Therefore the LORD will cut off head and tail from Israel, Palm branch and bulrush in one day.
15 The elder and honorable, he is the head; The prophet who teaches lies, he is the tail.
16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err, And those who are led by them are destroyed.
17 Therefore the Lord will have no joy in their young men, Nor have mercy on their fatherless and widows; For everyone is a hypocrite and an evildoer, And every mouth speaks folly. For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.
18 For wickedness burns as the fire; It shall devour the briers and thorns, And kindle in the thickets of the forest; They shall mount up like rising smoke.
19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts The land is burned up, And the people shall be as fuel for the fire; No man shall spare his brother.
20 And he shall snatch on the right hand And be hungry; He shall devour on the left hand And not be satisfied; Every man shall eat the flesh of his own arm.
21 Manasseh shall devour Ephraim, and Ephraim Manasseh; Together they shall be against Judah. For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.
NKJ Isaiah 10:1 "Woe to those who decree unrighteous decrees, Who write misfortune, Which they have prescribed
2 To rob the needy of justice, And to take what is right from the poor of My people, That widows may be their prey, And that they may rob the fatherless.
3 What will you do in the day of punishment, And in the desolation which will come from afar? To whom will you flee for help? And where will you leave your glory?
4 Without Me they shall bow down among the prisoners, And they shall fall among the slain." For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.
5 "Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger And the staff in whose hand is My indignation.
6 I will send him against an ungodly nation, And against the people of My wrath I will give him charge, To seize the spoil, to take the prey, And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
7 Yet he does not mean so, Nor does his heart think so; But it is in his heart to destroy, And cut off not a few nations.
8 For he says,`Are not my princes altogether kings?
9 Is not Calno like Carchemish? Is not Hamath like Arpad? Is not Samaria like Damascus?
10 As my hand has found the kingdoms of the idols, Whose carved images excelled those of Jerusalem and Samaria,
11 As I have done to Samaria and her idols, Shall I not do also to Jerusalem and her idols?'"
12 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Lord has performed all His work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, that He will say, "I will punish the fruit of the arrogant heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his haughty looks."
13 For he says: "By the strength of my hand I have done it, And by my wisdom, for I am prudent; Also I have removed the boundaries of the people, And have robbed their treasuries; So I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man.
14 My hand has found like a nest the riches of the people, And as one gathers eggs that are left, I have gathered all the earth; And there was no one who moved his wing, Nor opened his mouth with even a peep."
15 Shall the ax boast itself against him who chops with it? Or shall the saw exalt itself against him who saws with it? As if a rod could wield itself against those who lift it up, Or as if a staff could lift up, as if it were not wood!
16 Therefore the Lord, the Lord1 of hosts, Will send leanness among his fat ones; And under his glory He will kindle a burning Like the burning of a fire.
17 So the Light of Israel will be for a fire, And his Holy One for a flame; It will burn and devour His thorns and his briers in one day.
18 And it will consume the glory of his forest and of his fruitful field, Both soul and body; And they will be as when a sick man wastes away.
19 Then the rest of the trees of his forest Will be so few in number That a child may write them.
20 And it shall come to pass in that day That the remnant of Israel, And such as have escaped of the house of Jacob, Will never again depend on him who defeated them, But will depend on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
21 The remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, To the Mighty God.
22 For though your people, O Israel, be as the sand of the sea, A remnant of them will return; The destruction decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
23 For the Lord GOD of hosts (Isa 9:12-23 NKJ)

Isaiah talks about God burning up the forest in one day, the forest is a metaphor for Israel. He said the people would be fuel for the fire. Notice he said the fire would consume both soul and body. This is the same term Jesus used in Mathew 10:28. We can see from the context of Isaiah that it is speaking of burning up the wicked who rebel against God. We can see that they are consumed.

Jesus also spoke of soul and body in another passage.

25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? (Mat 6:25 NKJ)

The word translated "life" is the word "soul". Notice Jesus said don't worry about your soul, what you will eat or drink. Souls can eat and drink. What does food and drink sustain, an immaterial consciousness or a physical body? The answer is obviously a physical body. Or, we could say life. Food and drink sustain life, however, it is physical life that they sustain not a disembodied consciousness. We can see from this passages as well as others we've looked at that a soul requires a physical body.

19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts The land is burned up, And the people shall be as fuel for the fire; No man shall spare his brother.

NO MAN SHALL SPARE HIS BROTHER.

Natural judgement upon natural people in the physical.

Nothing to do with the Judgement that comes after death of the body.


JLB

 

[Edward]

Interesting question. A thought comes to mind...



I'm searching a little here, not challenging your position or disagreeing with you but since God will make all things new and there will be no more pain or sorrow, if we remember everything including our transgressions from our life here on earth and having been saved and made in the likeness of Jesus, would not our memory brings us great sorrow and pain?

That is a good question, one which I have thought about a little. Not to say that I know for sure but I think it may be possible that there will be no sorrow or pain concerning our past transgressions for a couple reasons. The main reason being that...think for a moment about every testimony that you've ever heard about folks going to the third heaven or having a visitation from Jesus. Every single one makes the point that they had a feeling of the most intense and overwhelming sense of peace and love by being in the presence of the Lord. This is very significant (and our true reward I think, being in the presence of God!). Most of us have never felt such a thing to that degree, but it is likely to be indescribable.

Couple that with the knowledge that you know we will have added unto us when we are transfigured in the twinkling of an eye into our new spiritual bodies. We will be downloaded with an incredible amount of knowledge. Not everything of course but compared to what we have now, it could possibly be said (loosely) to be everything, lol.

I think that our awareness and knowledge will be such that we will know for sure, just how intense of a spiritual attack and powers that we (were) facing on earth that was reality. (Right now, we probably have little idea of the intensity of the reality that we live in), and just how little that we knew (know) overall of the spiritual war. In that light, (it may be) laughable (being facetious) the stupid mistakes that we made. Like a 3 year old that you tell don't put your fingers into the fan...they don't get it yet. too young and inexperienced. We don't get mad at children for spilling the milk because they simply are not mature enough to be able to be that responsible to be expected to not make dumb mistakes.

Does that make sense brother?

 

[agua.]

Hi Agua,

I'm not sure that Scripture tells us we'll have all of our memories, however, science says that there are physical changes in the brain when memories are formed. If God simply puts the brain back together the way it is when it dies, it seems to me that once the breath of life animated it again it would be right where it left off.

I hope in my case my brain isn't reanimated to it's present condition. The older I get the more I forget :D

 

[agua.]

That is a good question, one which I have thought about a little. Not to say that I know for sure but I think it may be possible that there will be no sorrow or pain concerning our past transgressions for a couple reasons. The main reason being that...think for a moment about every testimony that you've ever heard about folks going to the third heaven or having a visitation from Jesus. Every single one makes the point that they had a feeling of the most intense and overwhelming sense of peace and love by being in the presence of the Lord. This is very significant (and our true reward I think, being in the presence of God!). Most of us have never felt such a thing to that degree, but it is likely to be indescribable.

Couple that with the knowledge that you know we will have added unto us when we are transfigured in the twinkling of an eye into our new spiritual bodies. We will be downloaded with an incredible amount of knowledge. Not everything of course but compared to what we have now, it could possibly be said (loosely) to be everything, lol.

I think that our awareness and knowledge will be such that we will know for sure, just how intense of a spiritual attack and powers that we (were) facing on earth that was reality. (Right now, we probably have little idea of the intensity of the reality that we live in), and just how little that we knew (know) overall of the spiritual war. In that light, (it may be) laughable (being facetious) the stupid mistakes that we made. Like a 3 year old that you tell don't put your fingers into the fan...they don't get it yet. too young and inexperienced. We don't get mad at children for spilling the milk because they simply are not mature enough to be able to be that responsible to be expected to not make dumb mistakes.

Does that make sense brother?

I think that our awareness and knowledge will be such that we will know for sure, just how intense of a spiritual attack and powers that we (were) facing on earth that was reality. (Right now, we probably have little idea of the intensity of the reality that we live in), and just how little that we knew (know) overall of the spiritual war.

Yeah Ed we're mostly unaware of the spiritual warfare going on around us which is strange because it's the most relevant thing in a Christian's life atm. I think it's likely Yahweh won't open the eyes of a believer to much of this until they're ready for it. imo

 

[Edward]

Yeah Ed we're mostly unaware of the spiritual warfare going on around us which is strange because it's the most relevant thing in a Christian's life atm. I think it's likely Yahweh won't open the eyes of a believer to much of this until they're ready for it. imo

Right. i agree. We learn slow. In our feeble fleshy state He gives us what we need when we are ready for it. Too much too fast and it would likely drive us insane and freak us out. We've never known the spiritual realm. So we have a lot of growing pains and will likely look back without sorrow or pain because of that.

 

[WIP]

Gday WIP yeah you make sense there mate. I wonder though how could everyone give an account of themselves if we don't remember the bad stuff ? Maybe these things don't disappear until after this ?

That is a good question, one which I have thought about a little. Not to say that I know for sure but I think it may be possible that there will be no sorrow or pain concerning our past transgressions for a couple reasons. The main reason being that...think for a moment about every testimony that you've ever heard about folks going to the third heaven or having a visitation from Jesus. Every single one makes the point that they had a feeling of the most intense and overwhelming sense of peace and love by being in the presence of the Lord. This is very significant (and our true reward I think, being in the presence of God!). Most of us have never felt such a thing to that degree, but it is likely to be indescribable.

Couple that with the knowledge that you know we will have added unto us when we are transfigured in the twinkling of an eye into our new spiritual bodies. We will be downloaded with an incredible amount of knowledge. Not everything of course but compared to what we have now, it could possibly be said (loosely) to be everything, lol.

I think that our awareness and knowledge will be such that we will know for sure, just how intense of a spiritual attack and powers that we (were) facing on earth that was reality. (Right now, we probably have little idea of the intensity of the reality that we live in), and just how little that we knew (know) overall of the spiritual war. In that light, (it may be) laughable (being facetious) the stupid mistakes that we made. Like a 3 year old that you tell don't put your fingers into the fan...they don't get it yet. too young and inexperienced. We don't get mad at children for spilling the milk because they simply are not mature enough to be able to be that responsible to be expected to not make dumb mistakes.

I guess this may just be one of those mysteries for which we have no answer from our human perspective. We can only speculate. It's at these times that I am left to just trust in God and rest on the assurance that He knows and He will provide me what I need to know when I need to know it.

 

[JLB]

I guess this may just be one of those mysteries for which we have no answer from our human perspective. We can only speculate. It's at these times that I am left to just trust in God and rest on the assurance that He knows and He will provide me what I need to know when I need to know it.

... from our human perspective.

Very well said. It is hard to describe eternal realities from a perspective and vocabulary that has its perception based in a temporary (physical) existence.

Like how do you describe seeing someone with no age.

JLB