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Body, Soul, and Spirit

Oi Debs don't forget that vail as you head off to Church today :D ( I kill me sometimes )
 
agua. said:
Gen 7:21-22 KJV And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: (22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life ( Neshamah Ruach ), of all that was in the dry land, died.

Ok Butch sorry if these questions are repetitive but it takes some rote for me sometimes. So in Gen 7 here we see that all life died but the reference to " All in whose nostrils was the breath of life ( Neshamah Ruach ) " refers only to humans right ? If that's the case the sentence structure is bad and should maybe read -
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"And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man (22) in all whose nostrils was the breath of life ( Neshamah Ruach ). Of all that was in the dry land, died.
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Hi Agua,

That appears to be one that uses Neshamah for all life. As I said there may have been passages that were missed. There are a lot of passages to consider. Good job.
 
Butch5 said:
Hi Agua,

That appears to be one that uses Neshamah for all life. As I said there may have been passages that were missed. There are a lot of passages to consider. Good job.
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Butch I'm not sure it does use Neshamah for all life. Look at the distinction after "and every man " ?
 
agua. said:
Interesting Deb. Nephesh is presented as the living being after the neshâmâh has been given thoungh. Maybe from the Jewish idea you've presented we can investigate if Ruach is the Holy Spirit and after it delivers us life we have neshâmâh in us .

Gen 1:2 KJV And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit ( Ruach ) of God moved upon the face of the waters.

It makes me wonder if the translation of Gen3:8 should be " Lord God walking in the garden in the Spirit. :biggrin

Gen 3:8 KJV And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool ( Ruach) of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
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Well, I just blew my own comparison of the Greek/English to Hebrew right out of the water. I pulled up a verse in Matthew for the Greek and thought what if there is a similar verse in the Hebrew, there is.

Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul (psuche) is well pleased: I will put my spirit (pneuma) upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul (nephesh) delighteth; I have put my spirit (ruach) upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

nephesh = psuche = soul
ruach = pneuma = spirit


1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit (pneuma) and soul (psuche) and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 
agua. said:
Butch I'm not sure it does use Neshamah for all life. Look at the distinction after "and every man " ?[/quote
agua. said:
Butch I'm not sure it does use Neshamah for all life. Look at the distinction after "and every man " ?
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I saw that but look at verse 23.

23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. (Gen 7:1 KJV)

It might be able to be understood of man.
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reba said:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
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om 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost (pnuema). :)
 
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Butch5 said:
I saw that but look at verse 23.

23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. (Gen 7:1 KJV)

It might be able to be understood of man.
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Gen 7:21-23 KJV And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: (22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. (23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Yeah Butch every animal is destroyed but the caveat of Neshamah Ruach may only apply to men depending how you read vs 22 I think. Notice it first says all the animals died and then mentions man : " All in whose nostrils was the breath of life."
 
Deborah13 said:
Well, I just blew my own comparison of the Greek/English to Hebrew right out of the water. I pulled up a verse in Matthew for the Greek and thought what if there is a similar verse in the Hebrew, there is.

Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul (psuche) is well pleased: I will put my spirit (pneuma) upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul (nephesh) delighteth; I have put my spirit (ruach) upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

nephesh = psuche = soul
ruach = pneuma = spirit


1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit (pneuma) and soul (psuche) and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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1Th 5:23 KJV And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul ( Ruach Nephesh ) and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Interesting.
 
agua. said:
Gen 7:21-23 KJV And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: (22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. (23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Yeah Butch every animal is destroyed but the caveat of Neshamah Ruach may only apply to men depending how you read vs 22 I think. Notice it first says all the animals died and then mentions man : " All in whose nostrils was the breath of life."
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Yeah, I saw that. I think it'll take some deeper investigation.
 
Now here's another curve ball from Edward (LOL). I think it is relevant to the thread, but perhaps should have it's own thread? We know that the Lord's Spirit bears witness with our spirit, and I *think* that this is certainly what this passage speaks of, one of those times. Correct me if I am wrong



Job 33:14-18
14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.

15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;

16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,

17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.

18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword./

"Sealeth their instruction, that He may...hide pride from man...?"

Could this be because we are used to carnal thinking, and would argue over anything? Could this imply that our spirit woud receive the instruction, so that we would have it, and our "spirit" would know what to do with it, and *think* about it in the spirits way (as a spiritual being), and not carnally as I was saying earlier?

I think it is possible, perhaps even probable, yet...?? I look forward to reading others comments about this. :)

Bless you all in our Lord.
 
Edward said:
Now here's another curve ball from Edward (LOL). I think it is relevant to the thread, but perhaps should have it's own thread? We know that the Lord's Spirit bears witness with our spirit, and I *think* that this is certainly what this passage speaks of, one of those times. Correct me if I am wrong
Job 33:14-18
14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.

15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;

16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,

17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.

18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword./

"Sealeth their instruction, that He may...hide pride from man...?"

Could this be because we are used to carnal thinking, and would argue over anything? Could this imply that our spirit woud receive the instruction, so that we would have it, and our "spirit" would know what to do with it, and *think* about it in the spirits way (as a spiritual being), and not carnally as I was saying earlier?

I think it is possible, perhaps even probable, yet...?? I look forward to reading others comments about this. :)

Bless you all in our Lord.
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You know I can't comment because I just don't know what that is talking about. Job is a very difficult book. Who is talking and did they get it right? Job, one of his three friends, Elihu (sp?), the Lord ? It's kind of a obscure passage, wouldn't you say? For me determining what's in the spirit and what's in the soul is elusive enough without these types of passages.
Sorry.
 
Edward said:
Now here's another curve ball from Edward (LOL). I think it is relevant to the thread, but perhaps should have it's own thread? We know that the Lord's Spirit bears witness with our spirit, and I *think* that this is certainly what this passage speaks of, one of those times. Correct me if I am wrong



Job 33:14-18
14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.

15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;

16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,

17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.

18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword./

"Sealeth their instruction, that He may...hide pride from man...?"

Could this be because we are used to carnal thinking, and would argue over anything? Could this imply that our spirit woud receive the instruction, so that we would have it, and our "spirit" would know what to do with it, and *think* about it in the spirits way (as a spiritual being), and not carnally as I was saying earlier?

I think it is possible, perhaps even probable, yet...?? I look forward to reading others comments about this. :)

Bless you all in our Lord.
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Interesting Ed and because it's Elihu speaking I'm guessing he knows what he's on about. I think he's telling Job that Yahweh speaks to us in ways we sometimes don't understand for sure but here I think it's mainly about visions and dreams. Job was terrified by the dreams he had yet Elihu said these were meant for his good by redirecting him into less prideful ways ( That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.)? This means our mind receives this instruction I think so if you have terrifying, humbling dreams don't discard them as if from satan.
 
agua. said:
Interesting Ed and because it's Elihu speaking I'm guessing he knows what he's on about. I think he's telling Job that Yahweh speaks to us in ways we sometimes don't understand for sure but here I think it's mainly about visions and dreams. Job was terrified by the dreams he had yet Elihu said these were meant for his good by redirecting him into less prideful ways ( That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.)? This means our mind receives this instruction I think so if you have terrifying, humbling dreams don't discard them as if from satan.
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Thanks agua.
 
agua. said:
Interesting Ed and because it's Elihu speaking I'm guessing he knows what he's on about. I think he's telling Job that Yahweh speaks to us in ways we sometimes don't understand for sure but here I think it's mainly about visions and dreams. Job was terrified by the dreams he had yet Elihu said these were meant for his good by redirecting him into less prideful ways ( That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.)? This means our mind receives this instruction I think so if you have terrifying, humbling dreams don't discard them as if from satan.
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I can see that, and think he's right on too. We wouldn't understand it (carnally) so He gives it directly to our spirit (who does understand), and it is given in a vision or dream so that our spirit can receive it without the carnal distraction. Pretty much what I was thinking, and also an indicator than man does indeed have a spirit of his own, in keeping with the topic, (and also getting other brothers and sister input on the passage.)
 
agua. said:
Oh sorry Deb I was writing my post and didn't see yours until after I posted. I would have worded it differently if I had no offense intended.
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And none taken. :)
I was being lazy and didn't want to investigate to see who was speaking in that verse. I'm glad you did though and I agree with you that seeing it's Elihu we can trust that he knew what he was talking about.
I agree with your interpretation, too.
 
Edward said:
Now here's another curve ball from Edward (LOL). I think it is relevant to the thread, but perhaps should have it's own thread? We know that the Lord's Spirit bears witness with our spirit, and I *think* that this is certainly what this passage speaks of, one of those times. Correct me if I am wrong



Job 33:14-18
14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.

15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;

16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,

17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.

18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword./

"Sealeth their instruction, that He may...hide pride from man...?"

Could this be because we are used to carnal thinking, and would argue over anything? Could this imply that our spirit woud receive the instruction, so that we would have it, and our "spirit" would know what to do with it, and *think* about it in the spirits way (as a spiritual being), and not carnally as I was saying earlier?

I think it is possible, perhaps even probable, yet...?? I look forward to reading others comments about this. :)

Bless you all in our Lord.
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Hi Edward,

Why do you believe this is speaking of spirits?
 
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