Body, Soul, and Spirit

[DRS81]

It's an ongoing process performed by God

Immortality is a one time occurrence, sanctification is the ongoing process.

 

[Butch5]

16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. Romans 8:16

Is God's breath a Him or an it?


JLB

Regarding the breath of life I don't know that the Scriptures tell us.

 

[Butch5]

Immortality is a one time occurrence, sanctification is the ongoing process.

According to Paul the Father alone has immortality. If that's the case then it cannot be a one time event.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Regarding the breath of life I don't know that the Scriptures tell us.

simple: ask a kindergarten Jew. (they are taught since birth, and Yhwh entrusted the Scriptures to the Jews.) (gentiles always get mixed up)(except when they Trust Yhwh and learn from Him, unlearning all they learned that was wrong)

admittedly, some Jews don't know. but of those who know, most are Jews.

 

[Butch5]

simple: ask a kindergarten Jew. (they are taught since birth, and Yhwh entrusted the Scriptures to the Jews.) (gentiles always get mixed up)(except when they Trust Yhwh and learn from Him, unlearning all they learned that was wrong)

admittedly, some Jews don't know. but of those who know, most are Jews.

huh?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

huh?

the native Israelites(who honor Yhwh's Word) are taught the Truth of Scripture from birth. it is a long(2000 year) irritation to them that the gentiles get so mixed up over what is so simple to them.

not ALL of them, as many may still not seek Yhwh nor seek to obey Him nor accept Yeshua Messiah, but
the ones who honor Hashem(Yhwh) and His Word can explain much more simply what is written than almost any gentile.

 

[Butch5]

the native Israelites(who honor Yhwh's Word) are taught the Truth of Scripture from birth. it is a long(2000 year) irritation to them that the gentiles get so mixed up over what is so simple to them.

not ALL of them, as many may still not seek Yhwh nor seek to obey Him nor accept Yeshua Messiah, but
the ones who honor Hashem(Yhwh) and His Word can explain much more simply what is written than almost any gentile.

OK, but I don't see how that applies to what I posted.

 

[DRS81]

According to Paul the Father alone has immortality. If that's the case then it cannot be a one time event.

I apologize. I was referring to salvation, I should of worded it better. Immortality (in regards to the Christian) is a one time event. The gift of salvation also comes with the gift of immortality. Yes, the Father alone has immortality, but the Father gives his immortality to us as a gift when we accept Christ as savior.

 

[Butch5]

I apologize. I was referring to salvation, I should of worded it better. Immortality (in regards to the Christian) is a one time event. The gift of salvation also comes with the gift of immortality. Yes, the Father alone has immortality, but the Father gives his immortality to us as a gift when we accept Christ as savior.

If He gave it to someone then he wouldn't be the only one who had it

 

[DRS81]

If He gave it to someone then he wouldn't be the only one who had it

Correct. The origin of immortality begins with the Father, and because Christians have it also is because of their faith in Christ. He's spreading the love through his gift, the gift of life.

 

[Butch5]

Correct. The origin of immortality begins with the Father, and because Christians have it also is because of their faith in Christ. He's spreading the love through his gift, the gift of life.

I'll stick with Paul.

 

[DRS81]

I'll stick with Paul.

What did Paul say, in scripture.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Shalom

 

[Butch5]

What did Paul say, in scripture.

'
13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; {confession: or, profession}
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1Ti 6:13-16 KJV)

 

[DRS81]

'
13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; {confession: or, profession}
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1Ti 6:13-16 KJV)

Right, this is describing where the origin of immortality comes from. We had discussed that immortality is a gift from the Father, from that same origin.

 

[agua.]

You are correct, faith in Christ is how we receive life. I also wanted to go back to this post here. I have a question. Do you believe immortality is a one time occurrence through faith, or do we have to earn it.

It's an ongoing process performed by God

This is interesting I thought immortality was given at the resurrection when we receive our incorruptible body. Butch you're talking about immortality after the resurrection when we have access to the ToL again ?

 

[JLB]

This is interesting I thought immortality was given at the resurrection when we receive our incorruptible body. Butch you're talking about immortality after the resurrection when we have access to the ToL again ?

Yes, sir.

Salvation is a result of the end of your faith.

During this life we have salvation [immortality] if we continue in the faith.

If you still have faith, then you are still hoping for immortality.

That is why the scriptures says the end of your faith is the salvation of your soul.

The reality of immortality will be achieved when the resurrection takes place and you hear these words -

'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The other option will be -

'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:


Immortality is given to us by the One who has Life to give and is in fact Life Himself.


1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. John 17:1-2

Just as DRS81 has said, The One who alone is immortal, gives immortality to those whom He will, that they may dwell with Him as sons forever.


JLB

 

[Butch5]

This is interesting I thought immortality was given at the resurrection when we receive our incorruptible body. Butch you're talking about immortality after the resurrection when we have access to the ToL again ?

Hi Agua,

Yes, I'm speaking of access to the Tree of Life.

 

[Deborah13]

Hi Agua,

Yes, I'm speaking of access to the Tree of Life.

Why is there three trees? Why do the nations need healing?

YLT
Rev 22:2 in the midst of its broad place, and of the river on this side and on that, is a tree of life, yielding twelve fruits, in each several month rendering its fruits, and the leaves of the tree are for the service [healing] of the nations; [healing] from KJV added by me

 

[agua.]

Why is there three trees? Why do the nations need healing?

YLT
Rev 22:2 in the midst of its broad place, and of the river on this side and on that, is a tree of life, yielding twelve fruits, in each several month rendering its fruits, and the leaves of the tree are for the service [healing] of the nations; [healing] from KJV added by me

Deb I think the passage infers the trees are on both sides of the river but doesn't say the number. ( if they are literal trees ) I'm guessing the nations need healing in the sense that access to the Trees imparts whatever is necessary to keep living in the same way Adam and Eve would have kept living if they had access to it.