Body, Soul, and Spirit

[agua.]

Opps, Sorry agua, I didn't read the =28. No wonder I couldn't figure out where you going!
Ok 9:27, I do not believe this is speaking of the final eternal judgement because of the Phil. and the the 2 Corinth. statements.

Interesting Deb which judgement do you think Heb 9:27 is talking about ?

 

[Deborah13]

Interesting Deb which judgement do you think Heb 9:27 is talking about ?

I think when people die they go to heaven or hell. There will still be the Great White Throne Judgement.

Revelation says hell is thrown into the lake of fire right? If so, then there must be something or some place called hell.

 

[agua.]

I think when people die they go to heaven or hell. There will still be the Great White Throne Judgement.

Revelation says hell is thrown into the lake of fire right? If so, then there must be something or some place called hell.

The hell which is thrown into the LoF is translated Hades or grave. I don't know any Christian who thinks there isn't a hell the only debate is what this hell is.

 

[Deborah13]

The hell which is thrown into the LoF is translated Hades or grave. I don't know any Christian who thinks there isn't a hell the only debate is what this hell is.

I'm like my grandson who had a dream when he was five. He said God or Jesus showed him heaven but then he showed him the "bad heaven" and he said he didn't want anyone to have to go there. He didn't know what to call it because he didn't know anything about any such place.
Time for bed, I keep making mistakes.

 

[agua.]

I'm like my grandson who had a dream when he was five. He said God or Jesus showed him heaven but then he showed him the "bad heaven" and he said he didn't want anyone to have to go there. He didn't know what to call it because it did know anything about any such place.

Oky doky. I won't comment on the other possibilities concerning Jake's dream he will decide that for himself later on.

 

[agua.]

Time for bed, I keep making mistakes.

Don't worry about mistakes this isn't a contest. When I'm tired I make more mistakes than a room full of mistake makers :D

 

[JLB]

(Edited, response to a deleted post. Obadiah)



No, your spirit is your breath and your breath that gave you life goes back to God.
Your soul goes to the grave to rest with your body.
Your soul and body are both resurrected at the first resurrection to re-connect with your spirit that is from God.

16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16

My spirit has conscience awareness that I am a child of God.

My breath stinks when I eat Mexican food.


JLB

 

[Butch5]

The hell which is thrown into the LoF is translated Hades or grave. I don't know any Christian who thinks there isn't a hell the only debate is what this hell is.

That's why I try not to use the word hell. The original readers of the Scriptures did not have the confusion cause by the word hell because they were reading different words for the different places. I believe that much of the confusion could be cleared up if the English translations stopped using the word hell and used the names of the places. I think this is a classic case of theology driving interpretation.

 

[DRS81]

My spirit has conscience awareness that I am a child of God.

Your spirit has a conscience (now) because you are alive JLB.

Your brain and heart are the reasons you have a conscience to begin with.

But when you die, what happens to your brain and heart.

 

[JLB]

Your spirit has a conscience (now) because you are alive JLB.

Your brain and heart are the reasons you have a conscience to begin with.

But when you die, what happens to your brain and heart.

Your soul/spirit is contain conscience awareness though your body is dead.

Both Moses and Elijah as well as Abraham the rich man and Lazarus, were all aware even though their brain was in their dead body. (Except Eijah)


JLB

 

[DRS81]

Your soul/spirit is contain conscience awareness though your body is dead.

How is that possible. Your brain and heart stop working after you're dead.

Both Moses and Elijah as well as Abraham the rich man and Lazarus, were all aware even though their brain was in their dead body. (Except Eijah)

This parable Luke 16:19-31 is just that, it's a parable and it is not describing the afterlife between death and the first resurrection as many might see. The word 'Hades' refers to torment only once in the whole entire Bible, and this parable is the only time. All the other times the Bible mentions Hades, referring to the grave. Hades is greek for grave, and Sheol is Hebrew for grave. A parable is a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. Jesus was rebuking the Jewish leadership and speaking of the kingdom being taken from the Jews. Jesus was drawing on an OT passage that they would be very familiar with. In Deuteronomy there is what is known as the song Moses. The song of Moses speaks of Israel's rebellion against God, in it we find this passage in which Jesus was referring to..Deu 32:16-27 Hades - The word translated (hell) in this passage is Hades. God said a fire is kindled in my anger and shall burn to the lowest Hades. This passage is speaking of Israel's rejection of God, and Jesus is alluding to this, the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man. Deu 32:22 is a metaphor meaning that there is nowhere they can go to escape God's wrath. In other words it is absolutely certain. - DRS81

 

[JLB]

How is that possible. Your brain and heart stop working after you're dead.



This parable Luke 16:19-31 is just that, it's a parable and it is not describing the afterlife between death and the first resurrection as many might see. The word 'Hades' refers to torment only once in the whole entire Bible, and this parable is the only time. All the other times the Bible mentions Hades, referring to the grave. Hades is greek for grave, and Sheol is Hebrew for grave. A parable is a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. Jesus was rebuking the Jewish leadership and speaking of the kingdom being taken from the Jews. Jesus was drawing on an OT passage that they would be very familiar with. In Deuteronomy there is what is known as the song Moses. The song of Moses speaks of Israel's rebellion against God, in it we find this passage in which Jesus was referring to..Deu 32:16-27 Hades - The word translated (hell) in this passage is Hades. God said a fire is kindled in my anger and shall burn to the lowest Hades. This passage is speaking of Israel's rejection of God, and Jesus is alluding to this, the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man. Deu 32:22 is a metaphor meaning that there is nowhere they can go to escape God's wrath. In other words it is absolutely certain. - DRS81

Your body is dead.
Not your soul and spirit.

Reference Moses and Elijah the rich man and Lazarus as well as Abraham.

 

[Edward]

How is that possible. Your brain and heart stop working after you're dead.



This parable Luke 16:19-31 is just that, it's a parable and it is not describing the afterlife between death and the first resurrection as many might see. The word 'Hades' refers to torment only once in the whole entire Bible, and this parable is the only time. All the other times the Bible mentions Hades, referring to the grave. Hades is greek for grave, and Sheol is Hebrew for grave. A parable is a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. Jesus was rebuking the Jewish leadership and speaking of the kingdom being taken from the Jews. Jesus was drawing on an OT passage that they would be very familiar with. In Deuteronomy there is what is known as the song Moses. The song of Moses speaks of Israel's rebellion against God, in it we find this passage in which Jesus was referring to..Deu 32:16-27 Hades - The word translated (hell) in this passage is Hades. God said a fire is kindled in my anger and shall burn to the lowest Hades. This passage is speaking of Israel's rejection of God, and Jesus is alluding to this, the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man. Deu 32:22 is a metaphor meaning that there is nowhere they can go to escape God's wrath. In other words it is absolutely certain. - DRS81

I'm not so sure about that brother. I hesitate to believe this is a parable. In the parables (which are specifically identified as parables), there is never any identification of the people by name. They say such things as, there was a man, or some such but never name people by their name. In this story Lazarus is actually named. Are you aware of any scriptures wherein it is positively stated to be a parable, and also names people?

 

[Deborah13]

Your soul/spirit is contain conscience awareness though your body is dead.

Both Moses and Elijah as well as Abraham the rich man and Lazarus, were all aware even though their brain was in their dead body. (Except Eijah)


JLB

That's a very good point about Moses and Elijah. They both appeared with Jesus. One had not died a physical death and one had. Moses had died, his body was dead and yet he was alive and appeared.

 

[Edward]

That's a very good point about Moses and Elijah. They both appeared with Jesus. One had not died a physical death and one had. Moses had died, his body was dead and yet he was alive and appeared.

Yeah, and Lazarus and the Rich man were dead and yet, still were conscious and had use of their senses.

 

[Deborah13]

Yeah, and Lazarus and the Rich man were dead and yet, still were conscious and had use of their senses.

I think Lazarus and the rich man can be argued against, as some see it as a parable.
But I haven't seen any good explanation for the appearance of Moses, unless I missed the post.

 

[Edward]

Yeah, I don't think that's a parable. If anyone has any scriptures which state that it is a parable, and also name names...please share it!

 

[JLB]

That's a very good point about Moses and Elijah. They both appeared with Jesus. One had not died a physical death and one had. Moses had died, his body was dead and yet he was alive and appeared.

Their answer is to say this was just a vision. As if that somehow makes it untrue.

 

[JLB]

When God showed Moses the tabernacle in heaven so as to know how to build all the components of it, this is how Gog showed him.

And you shall raise up the tabernacle according to its pattern which you were shown on the mountain. Exodus 26:30

The tabernacle was in heaven was the real thing, of which Moses was instructed how to build a replica of it on earth.


Likewise, this is the same way Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of this world in a moment of time.

Vision form.

Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. Luke 4:5

Showed - Strong's Number: 1166 - Deiknuo

1. to show, expose to the eyes
2. metaph.
   1. to give evidence or proof of a thing
   2. to show by words or teach

JLB

 

[digging]

Let's back the boat up just a little.......

God said you will 'die'

Satan said 'you will not die'.....

Digging