Theodore A. Jones
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Yeah somebody has finally something at least that I can agree with. That's a good idea, but I'm waiting for a phone call.
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Born Again?
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Yeah somebody has finally something at least that I can agree with. That's a good idea, but I'm waiting for a phone call.
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Mitspa
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Hope I did not offend you in my response, but I know that the "issue of the thieves" is a important one in the big picture of salvation and simple faith. I am glad to see that you are willing to yield to later scriptures in forming your understanding, many do not seem to have this ability. For many things where written in the latter letters to the Church, that clear up many things in the 4 gospels. Anyway I hope you rest well and God Bless-Mitspa
ezra
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if a person is on the cross why would they stay up there?
makes absolutely no sense.
Butch5
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Actually, the term "Born Again" is only used in reference to the Jews. Paul never uses this term with the Gentiles. It was Jesus who first used it when speaking to Nicodemus, a Jew. The Jews understood that they were the heirs of the promises God made to Abraham by their physical birth. God had promised the Land to Abraham and his Seed. The Jews understood the word seed collectively as the offspring of Abraham. As such Nicodemus, being a Jew, understood that he was a part of the kingdom of God. However, Jesus informs Nicodemus that his physical birth is not sufficient for him to enter the kingdom of God. He tells him he must be born again.
Theodore A. Jones
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And the Way to become born again? Discribe this proceedure as you see it and and your description not be an exception to any of God's law.
Butch5
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I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.
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rrowell
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I'm not sure your correct, I don't see "Jew" in John 3:3 anywhere, I do see "Except a man be born again", Unless there were no Gentiles at the time, this would include them too...
John 3:3 (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Butch5
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It's from the context. God had made promises to Abraham, one was that He would give the promised land to Abraham and his Seed. They were also given the covenants, promises, and God's Law. They were the kingdom of God. Jesus told the Jews that the kingdom of God would be taken from them an d given to a people bearing the fruit thereof.
KJV Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Mat 21:43 KJV)
Jesus also said that He had only come to the Jews. We would expect his words to apply to the Jews. As I said, the Jews thought that they being the physical seed of Abraham were the heirs of the promises to Abraham. Jesus tells Nicodemus, that which is born of the flesh is flesh, in other words, your physical birth is not sufficient to enter the kingdom, you must be born again.
It was the Jews who were God's son.
KJV Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: (Exo 4:22 KJV)
Nicodemus being a Jew was a son of God through his physical birth. It is this birth that Jesus says is not sufficient, Nicodemus must be born again.
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BornAgain
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Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Jesus said: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." John and Jesus had both preached baptism; Jesus had placed baptism in the commission. The apostle Peter, guided by the Holy Spirit, gave the answer and told them what they should do. "Repent ye" is singular, while "be baptized every one of you" is in the plural. There is here also a change from the second to the third person; this change shows a break in the thought; the first thing to do is make a radical and complete change; this is done in repentance; then let each one be baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ." This is the same as the command in Matt 28:19http://www.crossbooks.com/verse.asp?ref=Mt+28:19. Unto the remmision of your sins.
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rrowell
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That is a big stretch there Butch, Jesus was not talking of only Jews, he was talking of all men.
Paul clears this up here when he says not all of Israel is of the seed of Abraham.
Romans 9:6-7 (KJV)
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Paul stressed the fact that not all of Abraham's children were Jews, that some were associated with Israel who were not really Israelites in the true sense, and that such a condition had extended back all the way to Abraham, Ishmael not being counted as Abraham's seed at all
Abraham had many children besides Isaac, their number running perhaps into the hundreds, since he had a plurality of concubines, besides Hagar; and after Sarah's death he was married to Keturah, thought by many to have already borne the sons attributed to her, during the period of her concubinage. From whatever source, the Bible states that 318 servants were born in his house. At the very least, all of the sons of Keturah and Hagar were among the "sons of Abraham" but were not so reckoned among the Jews, hence the validity of Paul's reasoning here to the effect that mere fleshly connection with Abraham did not make one an Israelite.
did he come down from the cross he was nailed to. what a off the wall question this is the 2nd post of this nature it makes no sense to go on and on. we are either born again , saved or converted . no in between no straddling the fence .. its a know so salvation, not a i think so i hope so . the Bible says we can know we have eternal life. at my home church we have a banner if your %99 saved your %100 lost:yes if folks would study the Bible they can know these things>
This is off the subject, but would like to comment on a statement of yours were it is promised eternal life/saved. Can you show using the Word of God where being saved/eternal life, means entering the kingdom of God? I will show you where it says one who sins will never enter the kingdom of God.
(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.â€
Now to get back to the subject of the thread.
From the answers that I have received of the question what does Born Again mean, it seems that people truly have no understanding. People will quote scripture, but don’t seem to know what it means.
Can any one tell me what being born of the Spirit does to a person, and are there any manifestations that announce to the world that one is new born?
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BornAgain
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I belong to the Church of Christ, non-denominational and bible based. Refer to Acts 2:38 John 3:3 John 3:7 John 3:5 1 Peter 1:23.
Butch5
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I don't see how that bears on the issue. We are speaking of the Jews, they were the physical seed of Abraham. As such they believed they were entitled to the promises made to Him by God. They believed that it was their Physical birth that entitled them to the promises.
I don't see why you would think it's a stretch. As I pointed out the phrase "Born Again" is nowhere spoken to the Gentiles.
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Mitspa
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not sure of your translation? I think we have been ask to describe the translation we use if it is not the (KJV) Which reads much different!
1Co 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Butch5
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Hi Webb,
Peter's first letter is definitely to believing Jews. He opens it with this statement.
YLT 1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the choice sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, (1Pe 1:1 YLT)
The Disperrsion (Greek Diaspora) was a name given to the Jews who had left Jerusalem. Some never returned after the Babylonian captivity and some fled Jerusalem after becoming Christians due to persecution by the Jews. Here is a dfinition. However, you can find it most anywhere is you look up Diaspora.
There is some discussion as to whether his second epistle was also to the Jews or to both Jew and Gentile.
Let me add that while Peter does address Jews here some things he says do pertian to Christians in general.
Hi Butch5--
Thanks for your input. I'm aware of I Pet.1:1. However, if the letter does not include the gentile, and Peter uses the term "born again" in vs. 23, and Peter is discussing the siubject of conversion ("obeying the truth" which he identifies as the "word of the Lord" in vss. 22 & 25) where does that leave the gentile? I alwaiys thought we must obey the same truth, the same word.
God bless
Thanks for your input. I'm aware of I Pet.1:1. However, if the letter does not include the gentile, and Peter uses the term "born again" in vs. 23, and Peter is discussing the siubject of conversion ("obeying the truth" which he identifies as the "word of the Lord" in vss. 22 & 25) where does that leave the gentile? I alwaiys thought we must obey the same truth, the same word.
God bless
Butch5
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Hi Webb,
What's true for the Jewish Christian is also true for the Gentile Christian. It's more an issue of terminology. Gentiles must be born of water and Spirit just like the Jew. It is the context of Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus I believe that give significance to the term born again.
ezra
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when i get back from church tonight i will gladly answer your question. in the mean time please don't sin you might go to hell
Some of you( once lived this way. )But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit
John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 John 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
{where being saved/eternal life, means entering the kingdom of God?} if i may ask what do you think it means ? you need to read exactly what i said. i never said that one could live how they want and inherit the kingdom of God.. let me ask you this how secure are you in your salvation ? do wake up wondering if you have lost your salvation ? do you fear lose of your salvation if you do sin? 1 john 1:9 how do you see his LOVE? any more questions ?
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BornAgain
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when i get back from church tonight i will gladly answer your question. in the mean time please don't sin you might go to hell
Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit
Hopefully you will get back from church tonight....