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CAN A REFORMED BELIEVER FALL AWAY FROM FAITH?

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Iconoclast said:
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OK I, I can look through it,
but lo and behold...it's a calvinistic site.

I don't know if you're of the reformed faith, I guess you are,
so haven't you figured out yet that calvinists have differing doctrine about EVERYTHING
that other Christians believe?

Find me a NON-CALVINISTIC site that offers the Covenant of Redemption.
I fear you will not find it.

It's talking about the NEW COVENANT.

I can't take the time to go through it and see what is the same and what is different.
there's too much.

Here's some info on the New Covenant - which is how all Christians will recognize what you're speaking of:

NEW COVENANT

UNCONDITIONAL
KING TO SERVANT
UNILATERAL

SIGN: THE HOLY EUCHARIST
SEAL: SACRIFICE
BAPTISM: CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART

FOUND: JEREMIAH 31:31-34


WE GO ON TO EXPLAIN HOW THE LAW DID NOT WORK...
GOD STILL WANTED TO SAVE H IS PEOPLE.
SOMETHING DIFFERENT HAD TO BE DONE.



NEW COVENANT:

GOD WILL WRITE THE LAW IN THE HEART.
HE WILL BE THEIR GOD AND THEY WILL BE THEIR PEOPLE.
THOSE IN THE NEW COVENANT WILL KNOW GOD.
AN INTERNAL SPIRITUAL TRANSFORMATION WITH NEW POSSIBILITY OF OBEDIENCE.
(THE HEART IS DEFECTIVE AND TENDS TOWARD SIN)


WE STUDY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LAW AND GRACE...
WE ARE NOW UNDER GRACE.

JESUS DID NOT START A NEW RELIGION, BUT A NEW WAY TO LIVE.
THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLS.

STUDY OF COMMUNION.


There's more but this is all I'm going to post.
If you know the Covenant you call OF REDEMPTION, you could go ahead and compare it yourself.

(this is from my notes)
 
wondering said:
OK I, I can look through it,
but lo and behold...it's a calvinistic site.

I don't know if you're of the reformed faith, I guess you are,
so haven't you figured out yet that calvinists have differing doctrine about EVERYTHING
that other Christians believe?

Find me a NON-CALVINISTIC site that offers the Covenant of Redemption.
I fear you will not find it.

It's talking about the NEW COVENANT.

I can't take the time to go through it and see what is the same and what is different.
there's too much.

Here's some info on the New Covenant - which is how all Christians will recognize what you're speaking of:

NEW COVENANT

UNCONDITIONAL
KING TO SERVANT
UNILATERAL

SIGN: THE HOLY EUCHARIST
SEAL: SACRIFICE
BAPTISM: CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART

FOUND: JEREMIAH 31:31-34


WE GO ON TO EXPLAIN HOW THE LAW DID NOT WORK...
GOD STILL WANTED TO SAVE H IS PEOPLE.
SOMETHING DIFFERENT HAD TO BE DONE.



NEW COVENANT:

GOD WILL WRITE THE LAW IN THE HEART.
HE WILL BE THEIR GOD AND THEY WILL BE THEIR PEOPLE.
THOSE IN THE NEW COVENANT WILL KNOW GOD.
AN INTERNAL SPIRITUAL TRANSFORMATION WITH NEW POSSIBILITY OF OBEDIENCE.
(THE HEART IS DEFECTIVE AND TENDS TOWARD SIN)


WE STUDY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LAW AND GRACE...
WE ARE NOW UNDER GRACE.

JESUS DID NOT START A NEW RELIGION, BUT A NEW WAY TO LIVE.
THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLS.

STUDY OF COMMUNION.


There's more but this is all I'm going to post.
If you know the Covenant you call OF REDEMPTION, you could go ahead and compare it yourself.

(this is from my notes)
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Sorry, I did not know you are a RC.
That accounts for the confusion.

You asked me to post a link, I posted 3.

Now go over the 3rd link, line by line.
Show me where it is mistaken.
Stop hiding behind labels, show us where it is wrong scripturally
 
Iconoclast said:
Sorry, I did not know you are a RC.
That accounts for the confusion.

You asked me to post a link, I posted 3.

Now go over the 3rd link, line by line.
Show me where it is mistaken.
Stop hiding behind labels, show us where it is wrong scripturally
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I'm not Catholic.
Thanks for posting the links.
I don't have time to go over your 3rd link line by line.
I posted my main teachings on the New Covenant.

YOU can do the same, if you wish.
I do not wish - I see no reason to.

If there's something particular you wish to discuss,
I am open to that.
 
wondering said:
I'm not Catholic.
Thanks for posting the links.
I don't have time to go over your 3rd link line by line.
I posted my main teachings on the New Covenant.

YOU can do the same, if you wish.
I do not wish - I see no reason to.

If there's something particular you wish to discuss,
I am open to that.
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I will wait for you to go over the third link
 
rogerg said:
No, we are kept by the power of God.
To accomplish that, God keeps those He saves in true faith by His power through and within that faith.
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We are kept by the power of God through our faith.
The problem is that I believe we could forfeit that faith and you do not.
The NT is replete with verses about the idea of loss of faith, not going to post them again.

I also do want to say that I've learned from 3 different denominations and all 3 believe in loss of salvation...
the reformed CANNOT believe this because that would be the end of the P in TULIP....take one concept out and it all crashes.

God keeps us as long as we wish Him to.
I posted what Jesus said in John 15:5-6
I can't do more than that.

rogerg said:
And just to be clear, the faith in view is faith given only by the Holy Spirit to those who become saved/born again by Him. Faith obtained by any other means, such as through one's own efforts or choice, is not true faith.
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Faith is given by the Holy Spirit?
I don't recognize this as one of His works.
I thought it was a gift from God as Eph 2:8-9 states.

And faith comes in many forms.
I had a thread some time ago about the idea that there is a recipe for receiving faith.
I don't believe there is a recipe.
You believe in the sovereignty of God and yet you limit Him in every way.
God will save as He so wills it.

rogerg said:
Instead, true faith is only given by God to those saved/born again as a fruit of the Spirit.
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Now faith is given by God.
OK, but be consistent.

So what you're saying is that God gives faith to those that are saved.
So you have to be saved first in order to be saved.
This is so silly I just refuse to answer it anymore.
One scripture is sufficient: Eph 2:8-9, or Romans 10:17 FAITH COMES BY HEARING
And yes, we all have ears and we can hear with them. (my apologies to the deaf).


rogerg said:
Look at the verses preceding 1 Pet 1:5 - it is easier to understand if taken in context:
V3 informs that it is God Himself who has begotten again (has made born again) those kept in v5; v4 informs
that their inheritance is already reserved, awaiting them in heaven - and in being reserved, they cannot fall from it neither can it be lost to them; v5 informs that to achieve the inheritance as promised by God in v4, they are kept by the power of God.


[1Pe 1:3-5 KJV]
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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I don't read the bible by lines.
I read chapters usually.

Verse 3 states that God gives us the grace of the gift of faith, as per Eph 2:8-9. Agreed on this.

Could you put 1 Peter 1:3-5 into your own words?
Or, start and end where you please...
I'd really like to know what you understand these verses to mean.

Here's mine:

Verse 1
Those scattered

Verse 2
Who were chosen according to God's foreknowledge,
and by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit that you may obey
Jesus Christ - may grace and peace by yours.

Verse 3
All praises be to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Because God raised Jesus from the dead, we've been given a new life, being born again, through the mercy of God,
and we have great expectations for the future.

Verse 4
For the future we have an inheritance - that is heaven. It's a priceless inheritance that is pure and undefiled, and inheritance that cannot rust or tarnish as earthy inheritances do.

Verse 5
Through our faith, God is protecting us by His power until we attain this inheritance, your salvation, which will be revealed to you at that time.
 
Iconoclast said:
I will wait for you to go over the third link
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OK Iconoclast
I went to the 3rd link.
Again, it's reformed.

I don't agree with reformed theology.

There's no such Covenant as the one of Redemption or Grace or that 3rd one I can't remember.

Of course this Covenant was made BEFORE TIME BEGAN, as is the rule with the reformed.

I don't know what you'd like me to say.

The Covenant of Redemption....a big idea with the reformed.
The Covenant of Grace.................a big idea with the reformed.

But redemption is FOR ANYONE that so desires it....not just for "the chosen".
Grace if FOR ANYONE that wishes to take advantage of it....not just for "the chosen".

This will be it for me unless you have a specific question.
 
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