Can you continue to knowingly sin and remain a Christian?

[Consecrated Life]

David did not die in his sin, Ananias and Sapphira did.

Why did David's year long COINTUAL indulgence in Murder , Adultery , Conspiring to cause others to assist him in Murder, Lying to God, not cause God to do to him as He did to Ananias and Sapphira do you suppose?

 

[07/07/07]

Why did David's year long COINTUAL indulgence in Murder , Adultery , Conspiring to cause others to assist him in Murder, Lying to God, not cause God to do to him as He did to Ananias and Sapphira do you suppose?

I am not God, so I do not know why. Jesus, however, does search the hearts of all.

Revelation 2
[23] And I [Jesus] will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Depends on the sin sir, all Christians sin every day, but there are sins listed in the Bible that clearly state that if we practice those sins we will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Every once in a great while a Christian might do one of those sins, and if they are truly repentant they can regain their relationship with God through the ransom of Christ. But if they practice any of those sins there is no redemption for them. Me I sin every time I get in a car, but really satans laws are designed to make you sin, I simply don't worry about it. But most Christians will do their utmost not to commit a serious sin. God always makes the way out for us not to commit one of those sins, but sometimes it is difficult to take the path He offers, but I have never failed to see the out when I am in that kind of position.

I agree.

I have found "will power" ineffective against the desire for sin. But a "competing desire" can easily swat away the temptation to sin.

If I were only a capitalist, I'd put a price tag on this advice. It's THAT good!

Whenever the desire to sin rears its evil head, I dwell upon my desire to live with my heavenly Father, and serve Him in His Kingdom.

I cannot think of a "better job" than that!

To think, a mere worm like me would have the loving attention of the only True God, the Infinite Creator Himself, that I might "make Him happy I exist by doing what is right in His eyes, because I love Him.....should He happen to look in my direction".... that would bring me indescribable joy.

Also:

Imagine what folks will say when you enter their town: "There goes the servant of the LORD!"

Wow! I want that! I desire it!

Then the temptation to sin is swatted away like the insect it is.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Why did David's year long COINTUAL indulgence in Murder , Adultery , Conspiring to cause others to assist him in Murder, Lying to God, not cause God to do to him as He did to Ananias and Sapphira do you suppose?

I am not God, so I do not know why.

So you don't know why David was respected by God and allowed to keep his salvation despite his year long CONTINUAL indulgence in Murder, Conspiring to Get others to Murder, Adultery , Lying To God, but you have certain knowledge that God took away the salvation of Ananias & Sapphira .
Do I have that right ?

Sa 12:13
And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I don't heed messages not from God, who had written..."workout your own salvation with trembling and fear." (Phil 2:12)

That does not mean 'work to make yourself a saved person'.

You do not work to become a justified saved person. You believe the promise in order to become a justified saved person. And you continue to believe in order to remain a justified saved person.

Works have zero power to make you a justified, saved person. Only being forgiven by believing in God's free offer of forgiveness can make you righteous with the righteousness that is from God. The righteousness of your works couldn't justify a flea. You can only be justified by receiving God's righteousness by faith. God's righteousness is the only righteousness that a person can have that can save a person from damnation and separation from God. Stop trying to secure the righteousness of God by working, or worse, trying to manufacture your own righteousness by working. Read your Bible! This truth is right in pages of your Bible.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

LOL

I thought you knew the scriptures well enough that I did not have to post the scriptures that say that.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes, those who fall way are deemed "backsliders". If a person dies in this spiritual condition, he/she would go to hell. So, it's dangerous to fall away into sin, as one may never find their way back to God like King David did. We have no record that his son, King Solomon, ever made it back to God. No doubt there are multitudes in hell right now who turned away from Jesus and never made it back, because a man is far worse than he was before he came to Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 2
[19] ... for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
[20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


But, yes, Jesus would graciously forgive anyone who has fallen away if that person has godly sorrow and repentance for their sin(s), just like the prodigal son.

Peter says NOTHING about going to hell for the backslider who is truly saved.

I quoted John 10:27-29 where Jesus said NO ONE is able to pluck a believer out of His Father's hand and His hand. That is called eternal security.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. Jn. 10:27–29.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Lying is a sin, so we must not do it if we expect to inherit eternal life.

Yes, we know that, but what keeps you from going to the fiery place when you do sin?

My faith in the blood of Christ does that for me. What does that for you?

Because I am a believer, constantly washed in the blood of Christ by his ongoing, never-ending intercessory ministry in heaven, the only way I can ever go to the fiery place is if I purposely go back to willfully and deliberately sinning in unbelief. That's the only way I can lose the benefit of Christ's intercession in heaven on my behalf. I would have to become an unbeliever again.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Sinners are unbelievers.

You are free to carry that burden if you want to. But don't try to put it on me.

I'm honest. And I know the scriptures. Believers sin in their growing up just like any newborn child fails while learning how to walk. Children are not born mature. They grow up to be mature.

 

[JLB]

for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), (Rom. 9:11 NKJ)

As we all so plainly see, Romans 9 is talking about election for purpose not election for salvation.


for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), (Rom. 9:11 NKJ)


The purpose God chose Jacob over Esau was for the lineage of the Messiah. Not choosing Jacob for salvation and Esau for eternal damnation.


of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Romans 9:5






JLB

 

[Alfred Persson]

As we all so plainly see, Romans 9 is talking about election for purpose not election for salvation.


for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), (Rom. 9:11 NKJ)


The purpose God chose Jacob over Esau was for the lineage of the Messiah. Not choosing Jacob for salvation and Esau for eternal damnation.


of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Romans 9:5






JLB

I have found a way to reconcile Arminius and Calvin. I do not believe in Divine Reprobation that violates free will. You need to argue with someone else, because none of your counter arguments apply to my position:

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? | End Time News

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? Scripture says divine election is conditioned "according to the foreknowledge of God" (1 Pt. 1:2): Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood...

endtimenews.net

 

[Hopeful]

You are ignorant of the fact that God is no respecter of persons.

Not so.

You believe that if God had ended David's earthly life for his great sins of Adultery, Murder, Lies, that he would have lost his salvation ?

He would have if there were no Mosaic Law concerning the atonements/sacrifices for sin.

And why then did not David lose both his life & his salvation for his great sins of Adultery , Murder, Lies , his sins being much more devious, evil , and protracted / CONTINUAL than the single sin of Ananias & Sapphira ?
Remember David CONTINUED in his sinful plot of Adultery , Murder, Lies for over 1 year before God forced him to confess.

He performed the appropriate, Lawful, sacrifices for his sins.

 

[Hopeful]

That does not mean 'work to make yourself a saved person'.

Look at it in this sense...What happens if we don't strive to be found faultless on the last day?
We won't be found faultless.
It seems that to tell the truth instead of lying is a work to you.
It isn't to me, seeing as the only works disregarded by Paul were the works of the Law...circumcision, dietary rules, tithing, feast keeping, etc.

You do not work to become a justified saved person. You believe the promise in order to become a justified saved person. And you continue to believe in order to remain a justified saved person.

Isn't doing anything for salvation, like believing, one of your "works" ?

Works have zero power to make you a justified, saved person. Only being forgiven by believing in God's free offer of forgiveness can make you righteous with the righteousness that is from God. The righteousness of your works couldn't justify a flea. You can only be justified by receiving God's righteousness by faith. God's righteousness is the only righteousness that a person can have that can save a person from damnation and separation from God. Stop trying to secure the righteousness of God by working, or worse, trying to manufacture your own righteousness by working. Read your Bible! This truth is right in pages of your Bible.

I couldn't agree more.
Circumcision, dietary rules, tithing, feast keeping, etc, will profit nobody.
Obedience to God will, however, be of great profit on the day of judgement.

 

[Hopeful]

I thought you knew the scriptures well enough that I did not have to post the scriptures that say that.

I know 1 John 3:9-10, which show that those (re)born of God's seed cannot commit sin.
Grape seed cannot bear figs.

 

[Hopeful]

Peter says NOTHING about going to hell for the backslider who is truly saved.

I quoted John 10:27-29 where Jesus said NO ONE is able to pluck a believer out of His Father's hand and His hand. That is called eternal security.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. Jn. 10:27–29.

"Backsliders" are not His sheep.
How can I tell?
They don't follow the Shepherd.

 

[Hopeful]

Yes, we know that, but what keeps you from going to the fiery place when you do sin?

My faith in the blood of Christ does that for me. What does that for you?

Because I am a believer, constantly washed in the blood of Christ by his ongoing, never-ending intercessory ministry in heaven, the only way I can ever go to the fiery place is if I purposely go back to willfully and deliberately sinning in unbelief. That's the only way I can lose the benefit of Christ's intercession in heaven on my behalf. I would have to become an unbeliever again.

Ever heard of repentance from sin?
A false repentance, one you have to repeat ad-nauseum, is just a lie to God.
There is no salvation at the end of that path.

 

[Hopeful]

You are free to carry that burden if you want to. But don't try to put it on me.

No burden at all, since I was freed from service to sin. (John 8:32-34)

I'm honest. And I know the scriptures. Believers sin in their growing up just like any newborn child fails while learning how to walk. Children are not born mature. They grow up to be mature.

So grape vines will only produce figs once in a while?
You make a mockery of Jesus' words . (Luke 6:44)..."For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes."
Men are known by their "fruit".
Thanks be to God for providing us with rebirth from His seed !

 

[JLB]

I have found a way to reconcile Arminius and Calvin. I do not believe in Divine Reprobation that violates free will. You need to argue with someone else, because none of your counter arguments apply to my position:

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? | End Time News

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? Scripture says divine election is conditioned "according to the foreknowledge of God" (1 Pt. 1:2): Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood...

endtimenews.net

Reconciliation sounds like you are headed in the right direction.

I don’t follow Arminius or Calvin, I follow Christ and His teachings.


I gave you scripture, and it’s up to you to believe and follow the teaching of Jesus Christ or not.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Jesus admonished His followers to remain “in Him”.


Here is how this same John instructs us to remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24





JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Look at it in this sense...What happens if we don't strive to be found faultless on the last day?
We won't be found faultless.

As a believer, trusting and relying on the forgiveness of God, not being faultless in this life can mean you have no assurance of the salvation you surely have. But for the unbeliever, not being faultless in this life will result in damnation at the return of Christ because of the unbeliever he is. His sins being counted against him because he does not believe and trust in the forgiveness of God for those sins.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It seems that to tell the truth instead of lying is a work to you.

It is, but it's a work, like any work of righteousness, that can't justify you and make you right with God. Only having your sins forgiven and receiving the righteousness that comes from God, both of which come by faith, can justify you and make you right with God.

It isn't to me, seeing as the only works disregarded by Paul were the works of the Law...circumcision, dietary rules, tithing, feast keeping, etc.

When you understand why works can not justify you and make you right with God you'll see that Paul means any and all works. You can't do enough righteous works and consistently enough to do that. So it isn't the kind of works that justify or don't justify you and make you right with God, it's the fact that you will fall miserably short at being perfect in the execution of those works to make them effective at making you right with God. That is why the only way you can become righteous and, therefore, qualified to be saved is to have your sin guilt forgiven, not worked off, and to receive God's righteousness, not produce your own by being righteous.

5He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birtha and renewal by the Holy Spirit . 6This is the Spirit He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by His grace (not our works), we would become heirs with the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:5-7