How many times have you posted that the blood of Christ washes away the sins of folks walkimg in the light ?
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Can you continue to knowingly sin and remain a Christian?
Yeah, there are only 5 chapters.
John uses an A-B, A-B, A-B style of writing in 1 John 1. (Paul uses the same approach in Romans 8)
After John's introduction, verses 1-4, he starts alternating between those who walk in God-the light, and those who walk in sin-the darkness.
He juxtaposes light against darkness to illustrate how far they are from each other.
Verses 5, 7, and 9 address those who walk in God, verse 9 being the first step...confession.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 address those who walk in darkness....sin.
Sinners cannot say they have fellowship with God, (v 6), nor that they have no sin (v 8).
Those walking in he light, which is God, (v 5), can say they have fellowship with God and that they have no sin.
As there is no sin in God, (v 5), neither can there be sin in those who walk in God.
We knowingly sin every day and I'm still a Christian.
How about you?
How about you?
If you knowingly sin everyday, while you may be a Christian, you're not born again. You have simply taken on a dose of "do better", and that's not Biblical Salvation.
There is no such thing as a Christian that isn't born again. Christians sin and it will be a constant struggle until we're forever with Christ.
Many identify as "Christian" but are not born again.
Luke 6
[46] And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
[47] Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
[48] He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
[49] But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Sure, but identifying as a Christian and actually being a Christian (born again) are two very different things.
Care to give the parameters you use to differentiate one from the other ?
A person whom Jesus saves is saved to the end and beyond.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Jn 10:27–28.
ETERNAL life.
That doesn't matter; that's not my point. The point is that a person is either a Christian, and born again, or they are not. There is no such thing as a Christian who isn't born again.
What are the characteristics of the "born again" ?
Can they murder ?
Steal ?
Commit adultery ?
Get drunk ?
Do a hit-and-run ?
Sin ?
Irrelevant to the point I am making.
OK.
Your point is, men are either born again or not born again.
The born again are Christians.
My point is that the born again Christian will not commit sin.
He can't, as God's seed remains in him. (1 John 3:9)
And, yet, John clearly states that true believers sin, even describing what to do when a believer sins. Most of the NT attests to this fact. It is as true as Jesus having died, rose again, and indwelling believers by the Holy Spirit.
It sounds as though many are presenting their case as "sin is inevitable, and an attempt to resist the works of the flesh is futile because you're going to sin anyway".
No, he doesn't.
Provide the verse saying true believers sin.
Believer?
Or "brother" ?
Many start off on the road to salvation, but many fall away.
Those that fall away announce that they did not actually turn from sin, and the were not actually reborn of God's seed.
They were posers.
Sin is inevitable, yet we are commanded to resist the works of the flesh.
I have done so numerous times and one of them you have ignored just as many times.
1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. (ESV)
1Jn 5:16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. (ESV)
They are one and the same.
The NT makes it very clear that true believers sin; it has nothing to do with those who fall away or only thought they were believers when they were not.
No, you have not.
You keep believing verses addressed to those walking in darkness (sin) are meant for those walking in the light (God).
Just like that...again.
If all our unrighteousness can be cleansed, what cant we say we have no unrighteousness ?
Everybody has dinned, but not all continue to sin.
If a sinner wants to come to God, he can.
But to continue sinning means his intent was false.
If the "brother" is sinning, he is only a brother to other children of the devil.
He was only a "brother" in name.
Is Jesus a "brother" of Hitler ?
It pains me to think you can't tell them apart.
No, it doesn't.
Your claim negates the facts of rebirth from God's seed.
Those reborn of God's seed cannot bring forth the devil's fruit.
Neither can apple seeds bring forth pumpkins
I sure have.
They're very much speaking to believers. I have given the contextual reasons why; which you have not done. You also have not provided any other form of support for your assertions.
Again, throughout all of chapter 1and into 2 are John's continual use of "we," us," and "our." He is speaking to believers, about believers, and including himself.
As I have pointed out previously, the Greek meaning doesn't get conveyed in certain versions of English translations.
John's use of the verb "confess" in 1 John 1:9 is in the "present subjunctive, speaking of continuous action." The translation of this verse given in Wuest's Word Studies in the Greek New Testament, is: "If we continue to confess our sins, faithful is He and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from every unrighteousness."
Additionally, both Wuest's Word Studies in the Greek New Testament and The Expositor's Greek Testament show that the Greek grammar of 1 John 3:6, 8, and 9 is also talking about continuous and habitual action. Hence why the ESV and NIV renderings are more clear as to what John was actually saying.
Why would John say that? Because he is simply repeating what Jesus said, as recorded by him, in John 8:34:
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. (ESV)
"The Greek grammar here is such that Jesus is speaking of those who constantly do sin, who live in sin" (Hendriksen, New Testament Commentary: John, p. 53).
So, what was actually written by John, in the Greek, proves your position incorrect.
Once again, the Greek doesn't come through in the English but proves that your position cannot possibly be correct.
"If we should say that not we have sinned"--the order of the Greek. The phrase "we have sinned" is in the perfect tense, meaning ongoing in the present time; that is, after conversion.
No. John is writing to "my little children;" to believers. Notice that he says "so that you may not sin," not "so that you will not sin." If believers could no longer sin, that is a pointless statement. When he says "if anyone does sin," he is linking that to "so that you may not sin," that is, to his "little children."
That is nowhere even implied. You're reading far too much into the text of 1 John.
What kind of question and statement are those? How in the world do you get that from anything I've said? You're reading into my statements just like you do 1 John. "Brother" (and "sister") is used throughout the NT of fellow believers; that is almost exclusively what it means unless the context is clearly talking about biological relations. It never refers to an unbeliever.
Your statements here are just fallaciously begging the question.