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Christianity and Luxury
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Working hard making good decisions and above all honoring God. (if one is Christian)
I have seen 17 million dollar homes. I was just at those last week. I also have been to the poor homes relatively for this county. both im sure have lost and saved and greedy and caring. I tend to say that the blacks in the poor homes are more likely to help the poor but that is being turned over as I see more and more compassionate rich people as well.
Butch5
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If one gets rich working hard how are they seeking first His kingdom and His righteousness?
Deborah13
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Probably not many, but take heart they do exist.
Right now I know of five couples w/ children that have left the homes they owen/owend to service Jesus, one couple is from England. And one single widow with 3 children. To serve as disciples.
Right now in the last 8 mths the Lord has sent a couple w/ children, our new pastor, to our church. They left their home in another state and all their family.
He has also sent us two men, one 26 and one that I'd say is in his forties.
Their stories are pretty cool of how the came here. The younger one had made plans to move back to Florida w/ his parents where he lived much of his life. He doesn't like our cold weather. He helped the pastor get moved here. He was already to leave to go home in Denver and pack. He hit a deer. While waiting for it to be fixed the Lord spoke to him. He went back, quit his job and moved here. He is a blessing.
The other man had driven through here once on vacation several years ago. He was living in another state. I not sure how the Lord spoke to Him. But he obeyed, quit his job, and moved here. He did not know a soul here. He said he didn't know until here got here what the Lord had called him to do.
Another thing that is interesting is that both of these men had taken the same Masters program, I wish I could remember the name of it.
When I started praying for a youth ministry in our town three years ago, the Lord lead me to pray for that church. I wasn't going there and didn't know the pastor. I asked my friend to pray as well. She told me that the church was going to be restored but not with the present pastor. Within a year and a half that pastor was removed. The church was closed for one year. It reopened in Sept 2013. The body has grown four times larger since they opened the doors. And the 26 year old man was lead to study for the youth ministry two years ago.
The Lord works in mysterious ways and thankfully there are still Christians that are willing to follow His lead.
God can Bless a Chrisitian with wealth.I am talking about alot of money.It would take alot of guidance from God and self discipline to not let all that money give you pride and greed.
I was not talking about the average person who has some things.I am talking about a millionaire.
I work hard. If my boss at the time when a promotion comes up he may promote me. I may not get rich then but those small raises add up. I started where I was with the city hourly at 11.10 and hour and left that position at 14.99 per hour and was forced to be where im at and got a raise. so I shouldn't have token that? that to me was a blessing as that taught me to be thankful that I was offered and im able to work this new line of work.i could have been let go and on the streets!
that doesn't happen overnight. what if I have dream and a passion to invent and I make millions at it? ie invent a device that is able to save energy and it goes to the market and I make a ton. is that a sin? or what if I invent a way to grow more beans and I do that and the world is blessed by that? so I shouldn't take that money? that's the problem. working to make that person rich is equivalent to say that is a sin as we shouldn't tempt any to sin. Im not for robbing the customer and so forth the way retail does or car sales.
Butch5
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But here's the problem. The Christian is to serve others. If they are doing that then the money will be used to help others thus they are not rich.
I believe that they can nicodemus was hardly poor and those that sold their homes and donated to the church did they just loose their money? nope. they gave property.they are listed as giving all. should Christians live in communes?i think its hard to live in wealth but I do think one can do it. im thinking of the owner chik fil-a.
Butch5
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But you're not rich, correct? I'm not saying don't make more money. I say make all the money you can, however, If we're serving God it will be used up and we'll need to make more. Thus we will never become rich.
The last post I see you make on post #61 adds to or changes the question. Allow me to answer all questions you ask on both posts.
Is luxury bad? - No.
Can I own up to 4 cars...and buy whatever...? - Yes
I like phones. I have over 5...currently considering Lumina 1020. Does that make me sinful? - No.
Is the bible against luxury? - No.
Now how about pastors who own jets? - No.
http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...istianity-and-luxury.52543/page-4#post-911144
And my question has not been answered:
How much 'rich' is sinful - None.
how much 'poor' is biblical? - None.
My thoughts.
one cant work on sunday, nor do the allow that. do that and your fired. you may train on sunday, but not open for business. I aslo know Christian companies and employers that care for the poor and their employees.
rich? to the poor in Africa I am. to the poor in Gifford I am. I have a home, I have spent half the die putting a wall. I also have to trucks paid for. I have luxuries to some.i grew up without running water, heat and ac. their a few people in my county that aren't as blessed. rich is perspective. monica, has said that I have money. she has no cable and no health insurance for herself. so its all perspective. she also lives in an older home. I try to remember where I came from and not forget that I didn't have ELECTRIC at times either.
Being slothful on the job is not Christian....
I have been convicted for that. lets say where im at now is because I decided even though my boss was cruel and rude and so forth I would give that job my all and I did.
Deborah13
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I think the same way one works hard to put food on their table and are faithful to the Lord.
What difference does it make how much money they make working hard. Many making less have to work harder and longer hours than the rich do, just to eat.
Butch5
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Hi Jason,
I agree that "rich" is a relative term. To many in the world the poorest Americans are rich, however, I was using term in context of the OP, basically, spending money on excess.
Butch5
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I agree Deb and that goes to my point. Putting food on the table is seeking the kingdom, buying luxury cars is not. It's not about the amount of money one makes, it's what is done with it. If you are continually giving to those in need how can you build up enough money to be considered rich (by American standards)?
My point is that in order to accumulate a large sum of money or goods one is not using that money to serve God.