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Condemned Already !

savedbygrace57 said:
joz:



I have nothing to do with your religion or your god..
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You got -that- right!! Your god & religion is something other than the God of the Bible.
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The God I serve, While we were enemies to Him by nature, we were reconciled to Him by the Death of His Son rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.[/QUOTE]

Sorry sir but your understanding of that one passage you keep hammering away at contradicts the rest of the Bible. Paul said Christians were unrighteous; unjustified before they were saved and that means their reconciliation did not take place until they were saved. The context confirms this when Paul goes on to plead with them to be reconciled in verse 20; Notice..

Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, ~~~be ye reconciled to God.

if they already ~were~ reconciled then the passage makes no sense. So Yes... I too have nothing to do with -your- religion or -your- god.

Jozinky
 
joz:

Sorry sir but your understanding of that one passage you keep hammering away at contradicts the rest of the Bible.
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Its apparent you do not know the First thing about Christ and salvation..

The elect, while and when they were enemies of God [by nature] had been reconciled to God ! How ? By the death of His Son..

rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
 
Sorry sir but your understanding of that one passage you keep hammering away at contradicts the rest of the Bible.

savedbygrace57 said:
joz:

The elect, while and when they were enemies of God [by nature] had been reconciled to God ! How ? By the death of His Son..

rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
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The death of Christ is the basis upon which God can reconcile sinners to Himself but as I have already shown right from the passage... they were not actually reconciled until they were saved. Verse 20. And neither were they Justified.

Jozinky
 
joz:

The death of Christ is the basis upon which God can reconcile sinners to Himself
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Thats a false Gospel.

The death of Christ has reconciled sinners while they were enemies rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son
 
>The death of Christ is the basis upon which God can reconcile sinners to Himself
savedbygrace57 said:
joz:



Thats a false Gospel.

The death of Christ has reconciled sinners while they were enemies rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son
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You keep chanting that verse and all you're doing is denying the rest of the Bible. The Atonement is the Basis for reconciliation/salvation but neither is applied until the sinner hears and believes the Gospel. Therefore one is neither reconciled, saved nor justified until he hears & believes the Gospel. That's the True Gospel. Reconciliation along with all other blessings are just that... Blessings obtained by Christ's death. Ephesians 1. Men are no more born reconciled/justified than they are born saved and regenerate. It's your 'gospel' that's false.

Jozinky
 
joz:

You keep chanting that verse and all you're doing is denying the rest of the Bible. The Atonement is the Basis for reconciliation/salvation but neither is applied until the sinner hears and believes the Gospel.
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Thats a Lie, reconciliation of the elect took place in the past, while the elect were presently enemies of God..

rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
 
savedbygrace57 said:
joz:



Thats a Lie, reconciliation of the elect took place in the past, while the elect were presently enemies of God..

rom 5:

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
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Talk about being blind!

All men are born under the curse of God and if you don't believe that you can go look it up and see and if you still don't believe it then you are for sure unregenerate! Try Galatians 3.
A man who is under God's ~Curse~ cannot possible be reconciled to Him. That's just plain irrational stupidity friend. That's why Paul wrote Verse 20 which you keep on completely ignoring.

Jozinky
 
joz:

All men are born under the curse of God
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Uh, no they are not.. Those Jesus died for are not born under no curse..They were blessed before the foundation matt 25:

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
 
savedbygrace57 said:
joz:



Uh, no they are not.. Those Jesus died for are not born under no curse..They were blessed before the foundation matt 25:

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
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Isnt being God's enemy a sign of the curse?
 
All men are born under the curse of God

savedbygrace57 said:
joz:



Uh, no they are not..
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Sigh... Oh yes they are. You obviously have no real interest in truth for I gave you the refs but you didn't bother to look it up so I guess I'll have to show you. No doubt you'll figure out some way to twist it. Here it is.

Galatians 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

If you say that that verse Excludes the elect you're for sure unregenerate. Moreover that would contradict Paul because he -Includes Himself- as being under the curse before he was saved. Notice...

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, ~~~we~~~ were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was ~~our~~ schoolmaster to bring ~~us~~ unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

You notice how Paul includes himself as being under the curse of the law. Then he says that the law was the schoolmaster to Christ in order that6 the7y might be Justified... which any fool can see means they were NOT justified until they came to Christ because they were under the curse of God!

Let's see how you mangle that one.

Jozinky
 
Hitch said:
Isnt being God's enemy a sign of the curse?
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Not if you are an elect. The elect had Christ redeem them from the curse of the law, having been made a curse for them..Gal 3:

13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

No one Christ Loved and died for are under any curse, that is hogwash and false teaching..
 
God actually talked to me at my salvation experience, the first thing He said to me was that ,"you must accept My Son as your Savior", after that He went on to expain that in my present condition I was headed for hell. If we are not under condemnation then what are we saved from?
 
savedbygrace57 said:
Not if you are an elect. The elect had Christ redeem them from the curse of the law, having been made a curse for them..Gal 3:

13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

No one Christ Loved and died for are under any curse, that is hogwash and false teaching..
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Interesting alteration ;

No one Christ Loved and died for are under any curse

tsk tsk.
 
Sam21 said:
God actually talked to me at my salvation experience, the first thing He said to me was that ,"you must accept My Son as your Savior", after that He went on to expain that in my present condition I was headed for hell. If we are not under condemnation then what are we saved from?
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Thats your god..
 
Jozinky said:
Well that says it all. You just flat out denied the Scriptures and called God a liar.
That certainly explains a lot.

Gooday

Jozinky
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Thats all you have done is reject Truth for your fables..
 
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