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---Quote--- That's false doctrine and rank heresy. ---End Quote---
No its not, its the Truth, you just cannot receive it !
Jozinky replies; You couldn't answer the Scriptures so you just make an empty statement with no proof. Well your "truth" contradicts the Scriptures I gave you and there are more. The elect are children of wrath and under condemnation until God regenerates them under the sound of the Gospel. Not only that but until God saves them they are ~~under the curse of the law~~ fella. Notice;
Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed.
That verse alone is plain enough that the elect Gentiles were -not yet justified- So you speak anti Biblical heresy just by that one verse friend. More....
9 So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continues not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them.
Before the elect are saved they are, according to the Apostle Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit... under the curse of the law and folks who are under the curse of the law can neither be Justified nor saved, much less regenerate.
From my web papers..
[SIZE=+1]Psa 11:5 Jehovah tries the righteous; but His soul -hates- the wicked and the one who loves violence, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Question,, Before any of the elect are saved, could it be said of them that they are wicked and/or that they love violence? Well of course. Take the Apostle Paul for example. He went about -murdering- God's sheep! If that's not wicked & loving violence then neither was the holocaust & 9/11! Why is this important? Because... there are people out there who try to claim that the elect are never under the wrath of God nor does God ever hate them. But this verse says otherwise folks. God -hates- the wicked and those who love violence.
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[SIZE=+1]Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Does this vs include the elect before they are saved? Some say No. They base this on 2 things;
1; The fact that the Psalm describes the utter destruction of these wicked which will never happen to the elect. If that's so then we must view many vss that speak of the "wicked" as excluding the elect and meaning only the reprobate. For example Ps 5:5. But how else then can the elect be described in their unsaved condition? If they are not wicked then what are they... righteous? People who believe that are in essence equating "wicked" with "reprobate". In so doing they unwittingly claim to know who the reprobate are.
2; [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]The false doctrine of Eternal Justification. This doctrine says the elect were all Justified in eternity and are therefore -born- Justified.[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] Yet David testified he was among the company of the wicked even from conception in Ps 51:5. If the elect are not wicked from the womb then what are they;.. righteous? Those who hold eternal justification say they are but of course that view is heresy which clearly contradicts Scripture. Before salvation is applied to the elect in their life time they are no different from the reprobate.
The elect are by nature, wicked before they are saved;
2Ch 7:14 if My people, who are called by My name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from Heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the Lord, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Isa 55:7 is a call to salvation which all the elect will hear and respond to and here they are called both the wicked as well as ~~unrighteous~~!.[/SIZE]
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Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Many such wicked people heard Peter & repented.
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judges. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. Obviously! Paul says this person was wicked yet when he repents Paul says to receive him back in!
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[SIZE=+1]Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled ...
The elect are both wicked and unrighteous before they are saved! T[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]hey go astray from the belly, speaking lies. And then, one day, God saves them and they are no longer wicked. They have become righteous by the regene[SIZE=+1]rating power of God.[/SIZE]
[/SIZE]Your doctrine is rank heresy that denies the Gospel of justification by faith which comes by hearing the word of God as well as it denies the Biblical doctrine of man's depravity and produces monsters called "justified, unregenerate unbelievers" which is not only against Scripture it's absurd nonsense.
Like I said you best be about the business of seeking repentance because with such false doctrine that flies in the face of Scripture and your staunch refusal to budge there's no way you can make a Biblical claim of being saved.
Repent.
Cheers;
James Kirby
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