Conditional salvation is works salvation !

[brightfame52]

Yes. But do you understand how grace works?

Then they receive the power to become...sons of God. And His grace is sufficient for me to do this. !!!

So yes, you do have to get up on your feet and move, lol. Do something, anything. It shows that you are alive...

Grace works effectually, and its undeserved, unconditional to the sinner !

 

[brightfame52]

So a person who is already saved, repents so he can be saved?




JLB

A person who is saved repents and believes as evidences and fruit of having been saved.

 

[brightfame52]

Uh, Jesus said if you don’t forgive others, you won’t be forgiven. You didn’t answer my question.

You dont understand Jesus, because forgiveness of sins comes through His Blood Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

 

[JLB]

So if you base your salvation on things you do, then you base it upon your works !

Again, you blatantly misrepresent me and what I said.


Here is what I said. —

I base my salvation on what Jesus Christ did on the cross.

Why would blatantly make up a bald face lie about what I said when it is stated for all to see from my previous post which I quoted?


Please address what I wrote, not what you made up!
Please read what I so plainly wrote:

• I base my salvation on what Jesus Christ did on the cross.

In order for anyone to receive the salvation He paid for, they must first hear about what He did, then they must believe.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved

JLB

 

[JLB]

A person who is saved repents and believes as evidences and fruit of having been saved.

How then does this person who is already saved, become saved without hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ?



Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved

Jesus taught us the way to become saved is to believe.

Why are you teaching another way to be saved?




JLB

 

[brightfame52]

Again, you blatantly misrepresent me and what I said.


Here is what I said. —




Why would blatantly make up a bald face lie about what I said when it is stated for all to see from my previous post which I quoted?


Please address what I wrote, not what you made up!
Please read what I so plainly wrote:

• I base my salvation on what Jesus Christ did on the cross.

In order for anyone to receive the salvation He paid for, they must first hear about what He did, then they must believe.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved

JLB

You said that one must hear and believe to get saved correct ? Are those actions of a person ?

 

[brightfame52]

How then does this person who is already saved, become saved without hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ?



Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved

Jesus taught us the way to become saved is to believe.

Why are you teaching another way to be saved?




JLB

A person is saved by what Christ did for them. Do you believe that Christs death alone saves a person He died for ? Yes or No

 

[JLB]

Do you believe that Christs death alone saves a person He died for ? Yes or No

No!

A person must believe to be saved.

Otherwise all the world would be saved.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved

Jesus taught us the way to become saved is to believe.

Why are you teaching another way to be saved?




JLB

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You dont understand Jesus, because forgiveness of sins comes through His Blood Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

So the blood of Jesus means you easily forgive those who do you wrong?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

If you base your salvation on your repenting and believing, then you base salvation on your works. Its just that simple !

So are repenting and believing necessary or optional?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Grace works effectually, and its undeserved, unconditional to the sinner !

“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Humble yourselves therefore…” There seems to be a condition for grace.

 

[brightfame52]

So are repenting and believing necessary or optional?

They are not necessary conditions man performs in order to cause God to save them. Thats salvation by works 1

 

[brightfame52]

“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Humble yourselves therefore…” There seems to be a condition for grace.

Well man naturally isnt humble. So do you now condition salvation by grace on mans humility ?

 

[JLB]

You said that one must hear and believe to get saved correct ? Are those actions of a person ?

Yes, that is what Jesus said.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

My question to you was…

Why are you teaching another way to be saved?





JLB

 

[JLB]

He gave them repentance !

Where is the scripture that says “He gave them repentance“?

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, that is what Jesus said.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

My question to you was…

Why are you teaching another way to be saved?





JLB

I dont see Jesus saying anything about doing anything to get saved. Thats works, for Jesus did everything to save a sinner.

 

[brightfame52]

Where is the scripture that says “He gave them repentance“?

Thats a basic salvation truth, God/Christ gives Repentance, its comes in the package/Gift of Salvation Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

A Savior gives repentance

Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

2 Tim 2:25

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

So if you condition salvation on your repentance, you condition salvation on works.

Repentance is conditioned on Christs saving work, that which makes Him a Prince and Saviour !

 

[JLB]

I dont see Jesus saying anything about doing anything to get saved.

You dont see because you have chosen to close your eyes to the truth, and reject what He says.

WORDS OF CHRIST IN RED --

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

 

[brightfame52]

No!

A person must believe to be saved.

Otherwise all the world would be saved.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved

Jesus taught us the way to become saved is to believe.

Why are you teaching another way to be saved?




JLB

Well if you dont believe the death of Christ saved them He died for, you dont have Faith in Christ. A believer believes he or she was saved by the death of Christ alone !

 

[brightfame52]

jlb

• I base my salvation on what Jesus Christ did on the cross.

Really, yet you just said, when asked, did the death of Christ save them He died for, which is the Cross, You said NO !