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Contradicting Beliefs

reba said:
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Where is the command?
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If we are told to do something (as in verse Eph. 5:19) then it is a command.

Eph 5:18-21 (KJV)
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

What about Psalms 150 is that not part of the Bible?
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Wrong Covenant
 
rrowell said:
the CoC did not write Eph. 5:19 or Col. 3:16, it is in the Bible written by Apostles and the hand of the Holy Spirit Reba, NOT the CoC, it appears only the CoC reads the Bible...

"sing and make melody" is the command, and the "heart" is the instrument, you sing from the heart Reba, it is what the Bible says, there is no mechanical instrument there... the heart is the instrument Reba.



It is also not the Doctrine of Christ, it is also not the Doctrine he died and shed his blood for, it is also not the Church he built...
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Thank you rrowell, excellent response.
 
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rrowell said:
If we are told to do something (as in verse Eph. 5:19) then it is a command.

Eph 5:18-21 (KJV)
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Wrong Covenant
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you can NOT back that up using bible no place in the Bible new or old does it say we can or can not use music instruments in the worship service. you are posting c o c theology . you claim to be the true Church { c o c } you can,t even back that up.
 
rrowell said:
"sing and make melody" is the command, and the "heart" is the instrument, you sing from the heart Reba, it is what the Bible says, there is no mechanical instrument there... the heart is the instrument Reba.
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So now you're saying that vocal singing is an abomination? That the only melody to be made must be cardiac in nature? A good beat and easy to dance to, but that's all?
 
rrowell]the CoC did not write [URL="http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Eph.%205.19 said:
Eph. 5:19[/URL] or Col. 3:16, it is in the Bible written by Apostles and the hand of the Holy Spirit Reba, NOT the CoC, it appears only the CoC reads the Bible...

"sing and make melody" is the command, and the "heart" is the instrument, you sing from the heart Reba, it is what the Bible says, there is no mechanical instrument there... the heart is the instrument Reba.



It is also not the Doctrine of Christ, it is also not the Doctrine he died and shed his blood for, it is also not the Church he built...
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The arrogance and air of spiritual superiority is astounding and most un-Christlike.

BornAgain said:
Thank you rrowell, excellent response.
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As I stated previously:

One must first differentiate between those beliefs which are essential for salvation and those that are not. As long as there is agreement in those core beliefs, then they can be said to be "in truth," that is, true followers of Christ. If the rest conflict and contradict, it matters not, but there should always be movement towards resolving those issues.

To read the Bible is to interpret it through one's own lenses and hence form one's own beliefs and doctrines. There are several problems that follow, not the least of which is human nature and the desire to be right. This causes a resistance to change and a change in one's beliefs can be exceedingly difficult.

Other problems include a lack of understanding of the purpose and role of Scripture, a lack of understanding of the significant difficulties with biblical interpretation, and a lack of reasoning.

Suffice to say that no one church, denomination, or person has it all right, although some have more right than others.
 
ezra said:
you can NOT back that up using bible no place in the Bible new or old does it say we can or can not use music instruments in the worship service. you are posting c o c theology . you claim to be the true Church { c o c } you can,t even back that up.
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what does "sing and make melody" mean to you Ezra? tell me the meaning of "Psallo" that is translated "make melody"?
 
Sinthesis said:
So now you're saying that vocal singing is an abomination? That the only melody to be made must be cardiac in nature? A good beat and easy to dance to, but that's all?
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Are you even reading what your replying to?

I said the Bible says to "sing and make melody in your heart", I said the bible say's we are to "sing" as a form of worship to Him, now how do you get "abomination" out of that?
 
Free said:
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Originally Posted by rrowell
the CoC did not write Eph. 5:19 or Col. 3:16, it is in the Bible written by Apostles and the hand of the Holy Spirit Reba, NOT the CoC, it appears only the CoC reads the Bible...

"sing and make melody" is the command, and the "heart" is the instrument, you sing from the heart Reba, it is what the Bible says, there is no mechanical instrument there... the heart is the instrument Reba.
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The arrogance and air of spiritual superiority is astounding and most un-Christlike.
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Quite a bold remark coming from a moderator, rather than you and I arguing this point of Instrumental music in worship on this thread, how about you and I do a one on one debate on the matter and see if we can between the two of us find the "truth" Free?

As I stated previously:

One must first differentiate between those beliefs which are essential for salvation and those that are not. As long as there is agreement in those core beliefs, then they can be said to be "in truth," that is, true followers of Christ. If the rest conflict and contradict, it matters not, but there should always be movement towards resolving those issues.
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Salvation requires one to obey all his commands, not pick and choose which ones one will obey:

John 14:15 (KJV)
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

To read the Bible is to interpret it through one's own lenses and hence form one's own beliefs and doctrines.
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If one uses only the Bible and not (as you say) "one's own beliefs and doctrines" there is no miss interpretations... if people would use the doctrine of Christ instead of these "one's own doctrines" there would not be division, man is more interested in coming out of Church on Sunday feeling like he made himself happy more than he did his God.
 
rrowell said:
Quite a bold remark coming from a moderator, rather than you and I arguing this point of Instrumental music in worship on this thread, how about you and I do a one on one debate on the matter and see if we can between the two of us find the "truth" Free?
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Not interested and I don't know why instrumental music has been brought up again. I've said my piece and I find that not forcing anyone one way or the other to be the most biblical, rational position. No one is going to change their minds on the matter so all discussion regarding it is pointless.

rrowell said:
Salvation requires one to obey all his commands, not pick and choose which ones one will obey:

John 14:15 (KJV)
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

If one uses only the Bible and not (as you say) "one's own beliefs and doctrines" there is no miss interpretations... if people would use the doctrine of Christ instead of these "one's own doctrines" there would not be division, man is more interested in coming out of Church on Sunday feeling like he made himself happy more than he did his God.
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As I said, to read the Bible is to interpret it through one's own lenses and hence form one's own beliefs and doctrines. That is inescapable. No one person, church or denomination has everything right.

And with that, my participation in this thread ends.
 
Free said:
Not interested and I don't know why instrumental music has been brought up again. I've said my piece and I find that not forcing anyone one way or the other to be the most biblical, rational position. No one is going to change their minds on the matter so all discussion regarding it is pointless.


As I said, to read the Bible is to interpret it through one's own lenses and hence form one's own beliefs and doctrines. That is inescapable. No one person, church or denomination has everything right.

And with that, my participation in this thread ends.
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Your buddy reba brought up CoC and IM and I will stay with the OP.
 
Ernest T. Bass said:
Can people or groups of people hold to contradicting beliefs on how to become a Christian/how to be saved [and other bible issues] yet all of them be biblically right/be "in truth" amid that contradition and conflicting beliefs?
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Paul said to the Corinthians, “Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” 1 Cor 1:10.

Paul is dealing with the root problem of denominationalism here. Some were saying, “I am of Paul, or I am of Apollos, or I am of Cephas?” 1 Cor 1:12. Paul points out that denomination is division by asking them, “Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or, were you baptized in the name of Paul?” 1 Cor 1:13.

For anyone who desires to have a church named after them, Paul sets down two criterias. First, one must be crucified as a sinless sacrifice for his followers. No person on earth today can serve as a sinless sacrifice, Heb 10:12, Rom 3:23. Second, the leader of any group must have the God given authority to command baptism in his name.

In the New Testament there is no authority for baptizing into any man’s name, except Christ Matt 28:18-20. Denominationalism violates the pattern of the New Testament church. The Church of Christ is not a denomination.

Therefore, to answer to OP if one follows what the bible teaches contradiction would be limited. Man's interpretation is why there are so many different churches today.
 
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rrowell said:
If we are told to do something (as in verse Eph. 5:19) then it is a command.

Eph 5:18-21 (KJV)
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Wrong Covenant
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I can plainly see it says giving thanks always I see nothing about a worship service? Can you point out where it says worship service?
 
Colossians 3:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

It appears that we are to use psalms to teach and admonish. That would include Psalms 150.
 
rrowell said:
what does "sing and make melody" mean to you Ezra? tell me the meaning of "Psallo" that is translated "make melody"?
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your grasping at straws ,,please note **** i said music instruments. where does its say we can or can not?
 
Ezra

Do you believe the Bible teaches by principles? I believe gambling is wrong, taught by Bible principles, yet it does not say "thou shalt not gamgble." The NT does say "sing", not "play", will someone please tell me whats so wrong with simply doing what the Bible says, minus our add ons? Of course, if you got rid of your 2 guitars and the piano you might lose your job as preacher too.
 
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