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Defending the faith: A discussion of Catholic Doctrine

I won't respond to all the verses quoted (out of context) because I (and I'm certain others on the forum) own a Bible.

However, you did write these statements...

Praise, honor, veneration, and devotion are not worship, worship requires intent!
This doesn't mean anything. All actions require intent (unless you're a robot)

Mary all powerful advocate! Help of Christian’s!
There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary is an all-powerful advocate and the help of Christians.

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!
There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary is "ever virgin". In fact, Joseph and Mary had intercourse and Jesus
had brothers and sisters.
There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary is "help of Christians".

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!
There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary’s prayers are all powerful. And she is not God!

There are many Catholic myths that are not supported in the Bible. Sola scriptura.
You forgot mother of our salvation?

Read Jn 2 please
Jesus answer is NO!
My hour has not come, His hour is decreed by the father, but there is a higher law honor Thy father and mother
He obeyed and worked the miracle cos Mary interceded and the disciples believed vs 11
 
The church is not a Bible study but a covenant
The covenant is made with God who reconciles all things to Himself whether things in heaven or earth through Jesus's blood shed on the cross.

Christ in us is the test to see if your in that faith Paul spoke of.
 
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


This scripture plainly says… the anointing which you have received from Him


This anointing that we have received from Him, teaches us concerning all things.

If a person has received the anointing then that anointing they have received teaches them concerning all things.





JLB
No anointing outside the church
You have to be in Christ and his new covenant church
 
No.

Not a church.


Jesus Christ founded His Church He built and is building.

He doesn’t found denominations, such as Catholicism, of Baptist, or Methodist or Lutheran …


Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18


The rock He is building His church upon is that God the Father reveals that Jesus is the Christ is the Son of the living God. This same anointing teaches us and leads and guides us into all truth.


But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27





JLB
Matt 18:17
1 Tim 3:15
 
Same mission power and authority as christ Jn 20:21

The church is an extension of Christ!

The scripture says many of the same things of the apostles (the church) as Christ!

Light of the world: Jn 8:12 / Matt 5:14
Hear: Matt 17:5 / Matt 18:17
Authority: Matt 28:17 / Jn 20:21
Reconciliation: 2 cor 5:19 / 2 cor 5:18
Forgive sins: Lk 5:20 / Jn 20:23

Truth: Jn 14:6 / 1 Tim 3:15


Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Same mission power and authority as christ Jn 20:21

The church is an extension of Christ!

The scripture says many of the same things of the apostles (the church) as Christ!

Light of the world: Jn 8:12 / Matt 5:14
Hear: Matt 17:5 / Matt 18:17
Authority: Matt 28:17 / Jn 20:21
Reconciliation: 2 cor 5:19 / 2 cor 5:18
Forgive sins: Lk 5:20 / Jn 20:23

Truth: Jn 14:6 / 1 Tim 3:15


Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15
And nothing in your responses state that in-errancy was passed on to the Apostles.
Fallible men were entrusted with an infallible doctrine.
If you are alive today... you make mistakes... from pope to pauper... we all make mistakes.
 
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


This scripture plainly says… the anointing which you have received from Him


This anointing that we have received from Him, teaches us concerning all things.

If a person has received the anointing then that anointing they have received teaches them concerning all things.





JLB
You are taking the verse out of context JLB.

The Biblical way to hear the Good News was to hear it being preached not be reading a book and working it out oneself.
“But how can they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach?” (Rom 10:14).
All though Acts and Paul’s letters we hear about the word being preached.

This was not just for the apostolic age. Jesus says about the end times:
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come. (Mt 24:14)

John, who wrote the text we are considering, records two promises that Jesus made to the apostles at the Last Supper. This was his final talk to them before his death and resurrection. He had been teaching them for 3 years and was soon to send them out on mission to take the gospel into the world where they would be facing new situations and new challenges.
He makes them two promises.
Firstly about the past – all he has taught them.
But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. (Jn 14:26).

Secondly about the future – to guide them in new situations
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. (Jn 16:13)
And we can see how this guiding happened in Acts 1 (the choosing of Matthias as a successor to Judas), and in Acts 15 (the Council of Jerusalem)

Now we move to John’s letter, chapter 2. He is writing to Christians who he personally has catechised, taught them everything, taught them the truth. He addresses them as “my children” (vs 1) and “beloved” (vs 7). However they are in danger of being led astray by false teachers. That is the context. And we need to start at vs 20 not 24 to get the immediate context

20. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know.
Footnotes say some manuscripts say “you know everything” instead of you all know.
They know because John has taught them.

21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it… [because John has taught them].

24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you[what they have already been taught]. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father.

Now vs 26 & 27 in this context:
26 I write this to you about those who would deceive you [John is concerned that they are being taught falsely].

27 but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you [because they have already been taught by John]; as his anointing teaches you about everything [that they have been taught], and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.
T
his is equivalent to the first promise Jesus made to the apostles. The Holy Spirit would bring to mind all the true teaching they had already received. That presupposes that they had already received true teaching. But you have to get that true teaching first. You cannot generate it from your own resources. You cannot reach the truth by starting from scratch, but only by receiving it from those who have already been taught it and can pass it on. Then when you are presented with false teaching, the Holy Spirit will bring to mind the truth that you have already been taught.

This where Martin Luther and the other reformers went wrong. They thought they could reject the teaching authority of the Church and start from scratch with just the Bible. And that is why Protestantism has fractured into thousands of denominations with many opposing doctrines.

The Bereans are sometimes used to prove that we should search the scriptures for the truth. And indeed we should, but to confirm the truth of what we have been taught. This is what the Bearans did. Paul taught them first, and then they searched the scriptures to confirm the truth of what he taught them.
 
There are many Christain denominations that preach the gospel message. Can you state which do not belong to Jesus? Only He knows that answer. Gone are the days when the church held the testimony close to their breast and dispensed teaching with our way or hell. The testimony at cost of life was translated into many languages for the common man to read for themselves what Jesus and the apostles taught.

It's not the church that gives life. I went to Jesus and received such life. I follow Him.
John 5:39-40
You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
All others are the tradition of men
 
I gave you testimony from the Son of God who came down from heaven, ascended back to where "He" was before and stated before Abraham was born, "I Am". Mary can not be His mother.

The problem is with your understanding not Jesus's testimony. I follow Him.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Its clear to me the Son who was, (His spirit), was in the "body" prepared for Him.

"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"
The Incarnation, by definition, requires a mother.

Once again, we are witnessing in near real time how the Church's Marian dogmas safeguard and protect orthodox Christology and Trinitarian theology. For these are the first two things to go as soon as one starts attacking the Mother of God.
 
And nothing in your responses state that in-errancy was passed on to the Apostles.
Fallible men were entrusted with an infallible doctrine.
If you are alive today... you make mistakes... from pope to pauper... we all make mistakes.
So we cannot know anything for sure.
Everything is just a matter of opinion, even what writings contain infallible doctrine.
 
No anointing outside the church
You have to be in Christ and his new covenant church

Again,

This scripture plainly speaks of those to whom have received the anointing.


But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


This scripture plainly says… the anointing which you have received from Him


Only those in Christ have the anointing.





JLB
 
You are taking the verse out of context JLB.

But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


This scripture plainly says… the anointing which you have received from Him


Only those in Christ have the anointing.


Here is a direct quote from 1 John 2:27 —

  • but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things




JLB
 
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


This scripture plainly says… the anointing which you have received from Him


Only those in Christ have the anointing.


Here is a direct quote from 1 John 2:27 —

  • but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things




JLB
That's just your personal, and presumably fallible, interpretation.
Or do you think you are infallible?
 
Again,

This scripture plainly speaks of those to whom have received the anointing.


But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


This scripture plainly says… the anointing which you have received from Him


Only those in Christ have the anointing.





JLB
That's just your personal, and presumably fallible, interpretation.
Or do you think you are infallible?
 
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


This scripture plainly says… the anointing which you have received from Him


Only those in Christ have the anointing.


Here is a direct quote from 1 John 2:27 —

  • but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things




JLB

Who says that is scripture?

That's just your personal, and presumably fallible, opinion
Or do you think you are infallible?
 
That's just your personal, and presumably fallible, interpretation.
Or do you think you are infallible?

Here is a direct quote from 1 John 2:27

  • but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things


What about this verse do you find incorrect?
 
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