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Defending the faith: A discussion of Catholic Doctrine

Kinda hard to watch and not know the time and yet preach there is a seven year time frame .
 
Randy said:
She's not the Mother of the Father nor the Spirit. You also have managed to split God in your statement. She is the mother of the Christ who is Lord.
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We are discussing the Incarnation, are we not? The Incarnation refers to Christ, the Son of God.

Your objection is an equivocation fallacy (and therefore not logical at all). It intentionally ignores the implicit context (read: meaning of the word 'God') in the original syllogism (i.e. that the word 'God' denotes 'God the Son' exclusively in this argument because we are discussing Christ and His Incarnation).


Do you know what implicit meaning is, Randy? Like when we say "Joe Biden is President" it is implicit (from the context) that we are speaking of the "current President of the United States", even if those precise words aren't used?

Since the name 'Jesus Christ' is mentioned in the major premise, it is crystal clear to everyone (except those who have set their minds to attack Marian dogma) that the word 'God' is meant to denote 'God the Son' exclusively. Otherwise, you would also have to claim that the major premise "Joe Biden is President" is somehow ambiguous or 'not a good definition.'

It's amazing the lengths some will go to just to denigrate the Mother of God. Remember that Satan hates Mary. For Mary embodies the promises of redemption in her person. She is the type, figure and image of the Church. In her person is the fullness of redemption and she reveals what it means to be redeemed. Thus anyone who seeks to denigrate her or diminish her role in the economy of salvation is acting in the spirit of anti-Christ.
 
Walpole said:
We are discussing the Incarnation, are we not? The Incarnation refers to Christ, the Son of God.

Your objection is an equivocation fallacy (and therefore not logical at all). It intentionally ignores the implicit context (read: meaning of the word 'God') in the original syllogism (i.e. that the word 'God' denotes 'God the Son' exclusively in this argument because we are discussing Christ and His Incarnation).


Do you know what implicit meaning is, Randy? Like when we say "Joe Biden is President" it is implicit (from the context) that we are speaking of the "current President of the United States", even if those precise words aren't used?

Since the name 'Jesus Christ' is mentioned in the major premise, it is crystal clear to everyone (except those who have set their minds to attack Marian dogma) that the word 'God' is meant to denote 'God the Son' exclusively. Otherwise, you would also have to claim that the major premise "Joe Biden is President" is somehow ambiguous or 'not a good definition.'

It's amazing the lengths some will go to just to denigrate the Mother of God. Remember that Satan hates Mary. For Mary embodies the promises of redemption in her person. She is the type, figure and image of the Church. In her person is the fullness of redemption and she reveals what it means to be redeemed. Thus anyone who seeks to denigrate her or diminish her role in the economy of salvation is acting in the spirit of anti-Christ.
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She is not the Mother of the Father or Spirit.
Are they not God?
 
donadams said:
Can you be saved without a priest?
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Yes
Can you be saved without Jesus?
No

Do you know Him?

People can call on the Lord and believe in Him apart from a priest.

My Jesus lives and nothing is hidden from Him. He see's and hears those who pray and believe in Him. He still has authority to give life to whoever He chooses to give life.
 
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jasonc said:
In other words you know it all .sure JLB .
Why is revelation so heavily debated ?
Your are post trib


In that 3.5 years from when he sits in the throne I can calculate the day of the Return and yet Jesus says no man knows the day or hour ..

Which is it ?
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I am not sure what this has to do with this thread. But tribulation does come to a sudden end with a coming of the Lord.
Rev 16:15
I believe that to be the 2nd coming of the Lord. And rev 11 states 1260 days of testimony and the beast who kills them has a decree from God of 42 months of reign. I don't know the day or the hour of that 2nd coming but in those days I expect those that fall to the lies of the beast and persecute Christians who hold to the faith will be shocked and surprised at the Lords sudden appearing and pronouncing judgment in favor of the saints. But if I was alive in those days I would know the 2 witnesses are a sign that can't be mistaken and the Lords return is at that very door. That doesn't make me believe in a pretribulation gathering of saints taken away from the earth. I expect if any escape the evil of those days it will be through the death of the body. The beast will make war with the saints.
 
donadams said:
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
All others are the tradition of men
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You didn't learn that from Christ. He is in us and the Father is in Him. That's the oneness He taught. Your outlook is church related my outlook is much more relationship related with Christ. Christ and the one who belongs to Him as the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

So again I ask you do you KNOW Him in that personal relationship?
This witness can not be mistaken. Can you pass this test as one of being in the faith?
The Spirit testifies to our spirit we are the children of God.
 
jaybo said:
I won't respond to all the verses quoted (out of context) because I (and I'm certain others on the forum) own a Bible.

However, you did write these statements...

Praise, honor, veneration, and devotion are not worship, worship requires intent!
This doesn't mean anything. All actions require intent (unless you're a robot)

Mary all powerful advocate! Help of Christian’s!
There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary is an all-powerful advocate and the help of Christians.

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!
There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary is "ever virgin". In fact, Joseph and Mary had intercourse and Jesus
had brothers and sisters.
There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary is "help of Christians".

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!
There is nothing in the Bible that says that Mary’s prayers are all powerful. And she is not God!

There are many Catholic myths that are not supported in the Bible. Sola scriptura.
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Its certainly greatly implied in the testimony.
Matt 1:25
But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son.
 
My point was that ,no one knows and that there are places we simply aren't meant to know.

Some take it too far . If it was known it would have been obvious by now .a season yes but well the apostles thought they were in the last days .

Obviously they weren't
 
Walpole said:
The Incarnation, by definition, requires a mother.

Once again, we are witnessing in near real time how the Church's Marian dogmas safeguard and protect orthodox Christology and Trinitarian theology. For these are the first two things to go as soon as one starts attacking the Mother of God.
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They confuse mother with source
Mother of God is a relationship
Jesus is God
Mary is His biological mother
So Mary is the mother of God
Thanks
 
JLB said:
Again,

This scripture plainly speaks of those to whom have received the anointing.


But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


This scripture plainly says… the anointing which you have received from Him


Only those in Christ have the anointing.





JLB
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So it permitted to use the anointing to oppose Christ, his church, and reveled truth?
 
JLB said:
What do these scriptures tags say?
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It is unthinkable to refuse to listen to the church founded By Christ
Matt 18:17

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
 
Paul Timothy said:
As I asked... you have a fallible man making infallible statements that define what "faith" is?
How does that work that a mistake makes perfect... rough paraphrase... but how do you get infallibility out of fallibility?
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Matt 16:17-19
 
JLB said:
Because it’s the doctrine of Christ.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9



JLB
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We know the doctrine Christ by the doctrine of the apostolic church acts 2:42
 
donadams said:
A valid true pope to the universal church cannot teach error Jn 16:13 Jn 8:32 Jn 20:21
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None of your references mentioned the Pope. So therefore the Pope can teach error.
Actually your posts point out that men are prone to error and to the need for correction by the Spirit... not by the Church.
 
donadams said:
Started with apostles and will end with apostles Matt 28:19 acts 2:42 eph 2:20
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It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard from the Father and has learned comes to Me.

Do you know Him?
 
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