Did Jesus go to hell between his death and resurrection?

[Free]

Free, how can we have literal fleshly bodies from the grave?

Because God is the Creator and he will be doing the resurrecting.

Do you truly believe Abraham, Jacob, and all the others before us that have died in the Lord still have a physical body?

Of course not. They died and their bodies have rotted away. They will get back a physical body but it will be changed, as Paul says.

Reread 1 John 3:2 for it says none of us will know what we will look like, but we will be like Jesus as He is now. If we are raised in a Spiritual body then we will not be of this natural flesh. You can interpret it any way you want by how you are taught, but I will believe what has already been written.

You believe your understanding of what is written, which could be quite different than what is meant. You are making assumptions about what a "spiritual body" is and what Jesus' body is like. But as I said, it would be going beyond Scripture to say that he is now spirit. He was raised physically in a glorified body and that is how he went to heaven. We have no biblical basis to believe that he is no longer as he was after his resurrection.

 

[jasoncran]

the harder thing to wrap ones mind around is that the hyperstatic union idea and state of Christ. ok when jesus died and arose. what exactly happened to the man side of him. did he loose the soul. if one does a word study on these; it will boggle you. nephesh chaya. nephishma and also ruach.

 

[for_his_glory]

@for_his_glory

I have read the reasoning of Christ not having a body, but I would ask the meaning of 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Next I submit Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Again as someone else said concerning Jesus appearing to His disciples after His resurrection. Then there was Elias and Moses appearing on the mount with Jesus’

Thanks.

This was all transfigured (transfiguration) with Elias and Moses and again when we see Christ coming in the clouds. We will see Him as He is and not how He was. It also says none of us will know what we will look like. Those that have been dead in the graves for centuries would no longer have a flesh body as that would have rotted away and the bones turned to dust. I don't believe God is going to raise the dead with new physical bodies as with God all things are Spiritual in Heaven, which leads me to believe all things will be Spiritual on the new Earth. We truly will not know until it all happens and the important thing is that we are ready for His coming as after that nothing else will matter.

 

[for_his_glory]

Because God is the Creator and he will be doing the resurrecting.


Of course not. They died and their bodies have rotted away. They will get back a physical body but it will be changed, as Paul says.


You believe your understanding of what is written, which could be quite different than what is meant. You are making assumptions about what a "spiritual body" is and what Jesus' body is like. But as I said, it would be going beyond Scripture to say that he is now spirit. He was raised physically in a glorified body and that is how he went to heaven. We have no biblical basis to believe that he is no longer as he was after his resurrection.

Please show me in scripture where we will be given back a physical body and then that will be changed as 1 John 3:2 says no one will know what we will look like.

 

[Eugene]

@for_his_glory

How did those of Matthew 27:52 come to be seen by many?

Again how did the disciples see Christ for the forty days?

How shall all the world see a spiritual Jesus without a body.

How did John see Jesus’ angel?

 

[Free]

Please show me in scripture where we will be given back a physical body and then that will be changed as 1 John 3:2 says no one will know what we will look like.

Sure, if you show me where Jesus is now only spirit. You can't and I can't, but as Matt 27:52 shows, God is clearly capable of recreating physical bodies. And as the resurrection of Jesus shows, it is very likely that we will have glorified physical bodies as Jesus does. We simply have no reason to believe otherwise.

 

[Randy]

The spirits are those angels who were rebellious and married the daughters of men in the days of Noah.

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
1 Peter 3:18-19

Jude says it this way -

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

and Peter says again -

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned , but cast them down to hell , and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


JLB

I disagree in part, for those that died in the flood were humans. They died apart from any law and long before the good news of the gospels was preached. All drowned. Jesus redeemed them. Now I agree there is no redemption (change of mind) for those who lost their place in heaven. (fallen angels) Though I don't believe all are currently chained up. They lead the whole world astray.

Randy

 

[JLB]

I disagree in part, for those that died in the flood were humans. They died apart from any law and long before the good news of the gospels was preached. All drowned. Jesus redeemed them. Now I agree there is no redemption (change of mind) for those who lost their place in heaven. (fallen angels) Though I don't believe all are currently chained up. They lead the whole world astray.

Randy

Most that died in the flood were not humans.

They were Nephilim. The hybrid offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men.

The "spirits" that He preached to is a reference to the angels [sons of God] that had intercourse with the daughters of men.

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 1 Peter 3:18-20


JLB

 

[Randy]

Most that died in the flood were not humans.

They were Nephilim. The hybrid offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men.

The "spirits" that He preached to is a reference to the angels [sons of God] that had intercourse with the daughters of men.

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 1 Peter 3:18-20


JLB

Most were Hybrid offspring? I think I will remain that mankind and all air breathing life was drowned except those on the ark. Since that judgment was before the law was given and before the gospel message was preached those people that drowned (humans) were judged according to the flesh that they may live according to the spirit. Jesus went to redeem them and lead them to heaven not rub it in. God is a just God.

Randy

 

[JLB]

Most were Hybrid offspring? I think I will remain that mankind and all air breathing life was drowned except those on the ark. Since that judgment was before the law was given and before the gospel message was preached those people that drowned (humans) were judged according to the flesh that they may live according to the spirit. Jesus went to redeem them and lead them to heaven not rub it in. God is a just God.

Randy

Are you familiar with the term sons of God.

That they were not human beings.

JLB

 

[stovebolts]

Hey brother, he in their thinking was god of the underworld.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades
Wikipedia - Hades (/ˈheɪdiːz/; from Ancient GreekἍιδης/ᾍδης,Hāidēs; Doric Ἀΐδας Aidas) was the ancient Greekgod of the underworld. Eventually, the god's name came to designate the abode of the dead.

Now Paul was not Greek and what thinking did he bring forth in describing the righteous dead prior to Jesus making open heaven to them? How did Luke portray them as being in Abraham's bosom? He was a Gentile, lived in the Greek city Antioch, but was he Greek?

I am interested in what you have to say concerning these doctrines. Thanks.

Hi Eugene,
That's a good start. Hades was the brother of Zeus and his abode was the underworld which was separated into two sections. Section one is where the majority went when they passed into the afterlife while the deepest depths (Tartarus) where reserved for the most vile and evil offenders for judgment. Have you read any of the stories of Hades? I assure you, Paul and Jesus were familiar with them. Here is an observation. I see both Jesus Paul and even Peter affirming Hades and Tartarus by their simple reference to it within scripture.

As a side note, I don't think Luke was a Gentile... I think he was a Hellenistic Jew but that's neither here nor there for the purposes below.. That being said, I do see similarities between Abraham's Bosom and the realm of Hades and the parallel between Lazarus and the Rich man can be easily juxtaposed against the realm of Hades and Tartarus in many, many ways including what types of people went to which section. Study Hades and Tartarus and you'll start to see the correlation as they share many of the same elements. Is it any wonder then that we don't see Jesus, Paul or Peter stating a case against Hades and Tartarus, but rather, they affirm it. Does this mean we buy into all the greek mythology surrounding it? No, I don't think so. But we can glean from it's many elements.

Gehenna throws a twist into all of this and actually helps to put some reality on the subject both from a physical reality since the location actually exists which can still be viewed today by onlookers and from a practical reality since Israel committed much evil in that location which ended in the promises of God in the form or exile from the Land as recorded within the biblical texts. We could write much on this matter including reconciliation through repentance and Lord willing, we may very well get there.

Grace and Peace.

 

[stovebolts]

Are you familiar with the term sons of God.

That they were not human beings.

JLB

Ohh God, don't tell me you're going to start teaching that smut. Does your life revolve around that garbage? Seriously dude, get a life.

 

[JLB]

Ohh God, don't tell me you're going to start teaching that smut. Does your life revolve around that garbage? Seriously dude, get a life.

I take it by your remark, that you believe the sons of God were human?

Even though the New Testament writers refers to them as angels.

Moses taught us they were not human.

Maybe scripture is not your thing.

I am not familiar with the folklore and legends of Zeus and Hades that the pagans teach.

Moses taught us the sons of God were not affected by the flood and continued afterward with there intercourse with women.

I would advise you to tone down your insulting attitude toward what the scriptures actually teach.

Thanks JLB

 

[stovebolts]

JLB,
Funny, Paul, Peter and Jesus never opposed what the Pagans taught on Hades.... They actually affirmed it. Funny how that works huh?
And the Gates of Hades shall not prevail. Them are the words of Jesus, not mine.

As far as my attitude... not every thread has to be about your pet peeve.

Watch out for them six fingered giants... They aint got a soul according to your doctrines.

 

[JCitoL]

it is written that Jesus Christ came in the "flesh", and the "flesh" is the dark/devilish side of the spiritual:

1 John 4:2-3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.",

Galatians 5:19-21 "the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

the Lord can come also in the flesh to save, of course by doing only good things, it is like with the example of the system administrator who can freely enter and operate even in a malicious environment full of hackers and viruses by doing it at a high(administrative) level of his network as the only one who has such an access

John 1:5 "the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

Blessings

 

[JLB]

JLB,
Funny, Paul, Peter and Jesus never opposed what the Pagans taught on Hades.... They actually affirmed it. Funny how that works huh?
And the Gates of Hades shall not prevail. Them are the words of Jesus, not mine.

As far as my attitude... not every thread has to be about your pet peeve.

Watch out for them six fingered giants... They aint got a soul according to your doctrines.

Hell or hades is a scriptural word. Zeus is not.

The sons of God were angels and we're not affected by the flood.

 

[stovebolts]

Hell or hades is a scriptural word. Zeus is not.

Ohh goodness, if a word doesn't appear in scripture, it's not scriptural. LOL, sorry for laughing out loud. Do you even understand how stupid that sounds?
So, the way you see it, the Brother of Zeus is Scriptural because He is mentioned specifcally by name. Thank's for affirming a pagan God's validity through scripture. We just won't mention his brother...

The sons of God were angels and we're not affected by the flood.

Ok... and Hades doesn't have a brother named Zeus either.

You can say that with as much authority or masculinity as you want. I'll never buy into it. Again, watch out for those six fingered giants with no soul. They're out to get you! Sorry, I stopped believing in the boogie man a long time ago.

 

[Randy]

I take it by your remark, that you believe the sons of God were human?

Even though the New Testament writers refers to them as angels.

Moses taught us they were not human.

Maybe scripture is not your thing.

I am not familiar with the folklore and legends of Zeus and Hades that the pagans teach.

Moses taught us the sons of God were not affected by the flood and continued afterward with there intercourse with women.

I would advise you to tone down your insulting attitude toward what the scriptures actually teach.

Thanks JLB

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.6The LORDwas sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.7The LORDsaid, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.”8But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

Scripture supports that God was sorry He made man on the earth and would blot out man that He created. (Adam)

Fallen angels lost their place in heaven and weren't born of women. So scripture that states such beings are held in Hell or chains isn't speaking of mankind. I do read in rev of the angel of the abyss who is held imprisoned until the sounding of the 5th trump but that is a different topic.

Randy

 

[Eugene]

I take it by your remark, that you believe the sons of God were human?

Even though the New Testament writers refers to them as angels.

Moses taught us they were not human.

Maybe scripture is not your thing.

I am not familiar with the folklore and legends of Zeus and Hades that the pagans teach.

Moses taught us the sons of God were not affected by the flood and continued afterward with there intercourse with women.

I would advise you to tone down your insulting attitude toward what the scriptures actually teach.

Thanks JLB

Hey Brother JLB, and I've got to admit I don't go with that theology from no degree to the nth degree. Are you aware an angel is interpreted as messenger? It can apply to human and created angels as it were, and I will draw your attention to Jesus' angel of Rev 1:1. Who did the angel say he was? Rev 19:10. Are created angels our brethren? I go with the Sons of God being believers, and the daughters of men being unbelievers; the two lineages of Cain and Seth.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Thanks.

 

[JLB]

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.6The LORDwas sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.7The LORDsaid, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.”8But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

Scripture supports that God was sorry He made man on the earth and would blot out man that He created. (Adam)

Fallen angels lost their place in heaven and weren't born of women. So scripture that states such beings are held in Hell or chains isn't speaking of mankind. I do read in rev of the angel of the abyss who is held imprisoned until the sounding of the 5th trump but that is a different topic.

Randy

Good scriptures and response.

God indeed destroyed man, as well as the giants who the the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men.

Notice in verse 4 -

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The children of the sons of God were giants.

The sons of God took wives and produced giants after the flood.

All died in the flood except Noah and his household.

So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons' wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood. Genesis 7:7


The sons of God continued after the flood to produce giant offspring, when they would come into the daughters of men, and they would bare children to them.

The sons of God were not human, for all flesh perished in the flood.

The new Testament writers refer to theses as angels.

The Old Testament refers to the sons of God as angels.

The spirits in Tartarus were in fact the angels who rebelled in the days of Noah and are referred to as the sons of God.


JLB