Did Jesus go to hell between his death and resurrection?

[Eugene]

Paradise will exist as a holding cell until the Great White Throne Judgment. 'Captivity' is the whole process of holding the departed over until judgment. 'Captivity taken captive' is Jesus defeating death and sharing Resurrection with us.

The tree of life is in the midst of paradise just as it was in the garden of Eden, but it is/was protected so that none but God could reach it. Jesus did so, and is willing to share its fruit with us. This is how the tree of life is/will be in the New Jerusalem.

I would then have to ask if you think Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Elisha, and Moses are just waiting around there to be judged according to their works? And then what? I imagine that you realize that Moses committed a sin unto death as it were; Moses, because of unbelief you get up that mount Nebo and die just as your brother Aaron died in mount Hor, and I'm not even going to let you enter Canaan either. Do you think there's a chance left for them? Thanks.

 

[Butch5]

Butch5, Don't you think that Paul was too humble to say that it was him? IMO Paul was given a thorn to keep him humble. That carried out in so much of how he wrote. IMO he would not mention his name. Something like John, in the Gospels.

Hi Chopper,

Idk, he signed his letters I don't understand why he wouldn't say it was him if it was. However, he doesn't say, I personally don't think it's wise to form doctrine one assumptions He doesn;'t say so if we say it was him we can only assume. There are many passages of Scripture that contradict the teaching that one can live outside of the body.

 

[Butch5]

Abraham's Bosom was the same in the old testament as well as the new.

14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. 15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do." 16 Then Samuel said: "Why then do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."

...And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."

This came to pass as the prophet Samuel had spoken.

Samuel was down in Abraham's Bosom with all the old testament saints in Paradise.

Same principle in the old testament. Paul taught the same as Jesus.

JLB

Saul wasn't in Abraham's bosom he was in the grave. In that passage Saul didn't see whatever it was that he spoke with, the medium did. Saul was speaking to a demon, not Samual.

KJV 1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; (1Ch 10:13 KJV)

The medium saw gods ascending out of the earth. In both the OT and the NT gods other than the true God are demons.

 

[Butch5]

Abraham responded to the rich man.
Abraham was most certainly alive.

For God is the God of the living and not the dead.

When Moses encountered The Lord at the burning bush, Abraham's body had been dead, however God exclaimed to Moses the He was the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

Abraham was alive then, and Abraham is alive now.

JLB

No he wasn't. Jesus quoted this verse and said that Moses was talking about the resurrection.

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. (Mat 22:29-32 KJV)

He said God is the God of "the living:" "The Living" is a class of people. And according to Jesus "The Living" refers to the resurrection.

 

[Butch5]

No he wasn't. Jesus quoted this verse and said that Moses was talking about the resurrection.

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. (Mat 22:29-32 KJV)

He said God is the God of "the living:" "The Living" is a class of people. And according to Jesus "The Living" refers to the resurrection.

Let me ask you a question, what part of man is it that you believe lives on after death?

 

[Eugene]

Let me ask you a question, what part of man is it that you believe lives on after death?

Ecc_3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? :shriug

 

[Butch5]

Ecc_3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? :shriug

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

 

[Eugene]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.


Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

If men turn to dust again, and their spirit goes upward, is it your contention that his spirit is indeed dead without the body?

 

[Butch5]

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.


Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

If men turn to dust again, and their spirit goes upward, is it your contention that his spirit is indeed dead without the body?

No, the spirit is not dead, but it is not man's spirit it is God's. Apart from God's spirit in a man there is no spirit in a man.

 

[turnorburn]

Butch5 said:

Apart from God's spirit in a man there is no spirit in a man.

From whence did this come..

tob

 

[JLB]

No he wasn't. Jesus quoted this verse and said that Moses was talking about the resurrection.

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. (Mat 22:29-32 KJV)

He said God is the God of "the living:" "The Living" is a class of people. And according to Jesus "The Living" refers to the resurrection.

Brother, you totally missed what Jesus said.

When the Lord spoke to Moses at the burning bush, He said I am the God of Abraham.

Thus declaring that Abraham was alive, for God is the God of the living, not the dead.

In this statement to Moses at the burning Bush, there is no reference to the resurrection, only that God, who was speaking to Moses, was the God of Abraham.

If God declares that He is the God of Abraham, then Abraham is in fact alive, for God is not the God of the dead.

Saul wasn't in Abraham's bosom he was in the grave. In that passage Saul didn't see whatever it was that he spoke with, the medium did. Saul was speaking to a demon, not Samual.

KJV 1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; (1Ch 10:13 KJV)

The medium saw gods ascending out of the earth. In both the OT and the NT gods other than the true God are demons.

Samuel was in Abraham's Bosom in the heart of the earth.

Samuel foretold to Saul that he and his sons would die the next day.

The Bible say s -

14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. 15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do." 16 Then Samuel said: "Why then do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines." 1 Samuel 28:14-19

• The scriptures says that Saul perceived it was Samuel -

And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.

• Samuel foretold to Saul that he and his sons would die the next day.

And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me.

• Samuel told Saul exactly what The Lord had told to Samuel and why.

Then Samuel said: "Why then do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek...

• Samuel prophesied of Israel's defeat, as well as how Saul would die in battle.

Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines... The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."


The scriptures that I have quoted in 1 Samuel 28:15-19 do not mention any gods or demons as you say.

Why would you try to distort the truth of the scriptures, with statements that are not true.

Finally, if Samuel was in the grave in a state of soul sleep, then how could he possibly be disturbed.


You deny the words of Jesus about Abraham's Bosom.

You deny the words of Samuel and call him a demon.

You distort what the scriptures have said in my quote.


What possible good could come of such actions?


JLB

 

[Butch5]

Butch5 said:

From whence did this come..

tob

It comes from Genesis.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Gen 2:6-9 KJV)

We have the creation of man given in Gen 2. It says that God formed him from the dust of the earth (body) and breathed into him the breath/spirit of Life and man "Became" a living soul. According to this passage you have two things body and breath/spirit that God put together and they became something else, a living soul. Wcan conclude from this passage that a soul requires a body and the breath/spirit of God. Ecc 3 says that when a man dies He retrns to the dust and the breath/spirit returns to God. Well, there is only one breath/spirit in a man that can return to God and that's God's that he breathed into man. It says in Job that if God retrieved "His" spirit and his breath all flesh would die. Again, it is God's breath/spirit, not a spirit that is man's.

Ezekiel 37 gives a picture of the resurrection.

KJV Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD. (Eze 37:1-14 KJV)

Here Ezekiel sees the bodies coming back together and look what God says, "and shall put my spirit in you, and you shall live." Just like in Genesis it is God's breath/spirit that is in the man giving him life.

If man consists of two things, a body and the breath/spirit of God and he dies and the body returns to the dust and God's breath/spirit returns to Him, what is left to live on?

 

[Butch5]

Brother, you totally missed what Jesus said.

When the Lord spoke to Moses at the burning bush, He saidI am the God of Abraham.

Thus declaring that Abraham was alive, for God is the God of the living, not the dead.

In this statement to Moses at the burning Bush, there is no reference to the resurrection, only that God, who was speaking to Moses, was the God of Abraham.

If God declares that He is the God of Abraham, then Abraham is in fact alive, for God is not the God of the dead.

I didn’t miss it. He said the statement referred to the resurrection of the dead, not Abraham’s current state. The statement meant that Abraham will live at the resurrection.
How do you reconcile your position with this passage?


52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? (Joh 8:52-53 KJV)

Samuel was in Abraham's Bosom in the heart of the earth.

Samuel foretold to Saul that he and his sons would die the next day.

The Bible say s -

14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. 15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do." 16Then Samuel said: "Why then do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy?17 And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines.And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me.The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."1 Samuel 28:14-19

• The scriptures says that Saul perceived it was Samuel -

And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.

• Samuel foretold to Saul that he and his sons would die the next day.

And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me.

• Samuel told Saul exactly what The Lord had told to Samuel and why.

Then Samuel said: "Why then do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek...

• Samuel prophesied of Israel's defeat, as well as how Saul would die in battle.

Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israelwith youinto the hand of the Philistines... The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."


The scriptures that I have quoted in 1 Samuel 28:15-19 do not mention any gods or demons as you say.

Why would you try to distort the truth of the scriptures, with statements that are not true.

Finally, if Samuel was in the grave ina state of soul sleep, then how could he possiblybe disturbed.

7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.
9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.
11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. (1Sa 28:7-14 KJV)

Saul perceived it was Samuel, he didn’t see it he perceived it from what the woman saw, She saw “gods”, Samuel is not and was not a god. Demons are Gods. 1 Chron. Stated plainly that Saul inquired of a demon.

Do you really believe that a prophet of God would obey a demon or a medium? Saul said that God wouldn’t communicate with him at all. If God isn’t going to communicate with Saul do you think Samuel would disobey God to communicate with Saul.

Here’s what happened to a person who opposed the Lord and then went to a prophet to enquire of the Lord.

7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:
8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
10 And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him; (Eze 14:7-10 KJV)

Do you really believe that Samuel would do that?

You deny the words of Jesus about Abraham's Bosom.

Not at all, Jesus is using an analogy describing how the priesthood is going to be taken from Israel.

[quote/]You deny the words of Samuel and call him a demon.

You distort what the scriptures have said in my quote.

What possible good could come of such actions?[/quote]

The Scriptures called him a demon

 

[turnorburn]

All doctrine begins with the bible Butch5 then gets corrupted with the doctrines of men or.. by way of a study group leader false teacher apostate pastor you know wolves in sheep's clothing.. just that I'd not heard this one before..

tob

 

[Butch5]

All doctrine begins with the bible Butch5 then gets corrupted with the doctrines of men or.. by way of a study group leader false teacher apostate pastor you know wolves in sheep's clothing.. just that I'd not heard this one before..

tob

It's right there in Gen 2:7

 

[Chopper]

Let me ask you a question, what part of man is it that you believe lives on after death?

Butch5. You remind me of my brother growing up. If I made a statement, he would take an opposite stand. If I said "Look at that red sled, he would say blue sled. He wasn't color blind. No offense intended but I think you're having a blast with your contradictions just so people will be sure of their convictions. Very Good! Bravo!!

To answer your question; 1 John 3:2 "Beloved, we are God's children now, and what what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

Phil. 3:20, 21. "But our citizenship is in heaven , and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself". Both references are from the ESV. Love you Brother!

 

[Butch5]

Butch5. You remind me of my brother growing up. If I made a statement, he would take an opposite stand. If I said "Look at that red sled, he would say blue sled. He wasn't color blind. No offense intended but I think you're having a blast with your contradictions just so people will be sure of their convictions. Very Good! Bravo!!

To answer your question; 1 John 3:2 "Beloved, we are God's children now, and what what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

Phil. 3:20, 21. "But our citizenship is in heaven , and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself". Both references are from the ESV. Love you Brother!

Hi Chopper,

I don't see how we can have contradictions if the Scriptures are without error. Aren't these passages referring to the resurrection?

 

[Chopper]

Hi Chopper,

I don't see how we can have contradictions if the Scriptures are without error. Aren't these passages referring to the resurrection?

Of course they refer to the resurrection. I have this body, when I die this body goes into the ground and rots. When I'm resurrected, I am given a new body, fit for the new heavens and earth. Aren't you saying that we don't get new bodies?

 

[JLB]

I didn’t miss it. He said the statement referred to the resurrection of the dead, not Abraham’s current state. The statement meant that Abraham will live at the resurrection.
How do you reconcile your position with this passage?


52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? (Joh 8:52-53 KJV)

7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.
9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.
11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. (1Sa 28:7-14 KJV)

Saul perceived it was Samuel, he didn’t see it he perceived it from what the woman saw, She saw “gods”, Samuel is not and was not a god. Demons are Gods. 1 Chron. Stated plainly that Saul inquired of a demon.

Do you really believe that a prophet of God would obey a demon or a medium? Saul said that God wouldn’t communicate with him at all. If God isn’t going to communicate with Saul do you think Samuel would disobey God to communicate with Saul.

Here’s what happened to a person who opposed the Lord and then went to a prophet to enquire of the Lord.

7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:
8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
10 And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him; (Eze 14:7-10 KJV)

Do you really believe that Samuel would do that?

Not at all, Jesus is using an analogy describing how the priesthood is going to be taken from Israel.

[quote/]You deny the words of Samuel and call him a demon.

You distort what the scriptures have said in my quote.

What possible good could come of such actions?

The Scriptures called him a demon[/quote]



Here is what the scripture states -

And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice...

Does this indicate what she normally saw, or does this indicate that she was surprised? ...she cried out with a loud voice.

12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!" 13 And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What did you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth." 14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. 15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do." 16 Then Samuel said: "Why then do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines." 1 Samuel 28:12-19

Here is what the scripture states -

Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?

Samuel gave Saul a prophecy about the outcome of the battle the next day, even foretelling of Saul death as well as his sons.

This was in fact Samuel the Prophet who was alive in the heart of the earth called Abraham's bosom, as well as paradise.


God bless. JLB

 

[Butch5]

Of course they refer to the resurrection. I have this body, when I die this body goes into the ground and rots. When I'm resurrected, I am given a new body, fit for the new heavens and earth. Aren't you saying that we don't get new bodies?

Hi Chopper,

I'm not. Actually, I'm arguing the opposite, that a man does not exist without a body. I'm arguing that man is a body and God's spirit and nothing else.