It does not agree with the Old Testament. I will say it again: The Catholics changed the scriptures. Only Yahwah is a True God.
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The Only True God
2 Chronicles 15:3
For a long time Israel was without the true God, without a priest to teach and without the law.
Isaiah 65:16
Whoever invokes a blessing in the land will do so by the one true God; whoever takes an oath in the land will swear by the one true God. For the past troubles will be forgotten and hidden from my eyes.
Jeremiah 10:10
But [the Lord / Yahwah] is the true God; he is the living God, the eternal King. When he is angry, the earth trembles; the nations cannot endure his wrath.
Yahshua said this about God.
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and [Jesus / Yahshua] Christ, whom you have sent.
1 Thessalonians 1:9
for they themselves report what kind of reception you gave us. They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God,
Yahwah says that He knows of no other God besides Himself.
Thats just so wrong. The Father created by Him and "for" Him.
The Supremacy of Christ
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
do you know Greek grammar?
"δι’ ὃν τὰ πάντα καὶ δι’ οὗ τὰ πάντα"
δι’ ὃν, is in the accusative in the Greek, which is FOR Whom
δι’ οὗ, is in the genitive, like when used for Jesus Christ in 1:2, which is THROUGH Whom
If, in 1:2, it means that the Father Created THROUGH Jesus Christ. Then it must follow, that in 2:10, that Jesus Christ Created THROUGH the Father, as He is the only other Person mentioned in this passage!
You cannot play games with this the way you want to. The SAME Greek grammar of true in BOTH cases!
God spoke to us in these last days "by" His Son.' So didn't God speak to us through His Son?
Jesus-It is the Father living in me doing His work.
It states "God" created by His Son. The Son did not create by His God.
John 1:10
16 for in[a] him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him.
- [a] Colossians 1:16 Or by
"IN Him", is the Greek preposition that denotes the SOURCE of Creation, as in Acts we read ‘IN Him we live and move and have our being". In both places the Greek is "ἐν αὐτῷ".
In John 1:4 it says, "ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν", "IN Him was Life", as Jesus Christ is the SOURCE of Life.
In Acts 3:15, Peter says of Jesus Christ, "τὸν δὲ ἀρχηγὸν τῆς ζωῆς", "But the Author of Life"
You have still not dealt with the actual Greek grammar of Hebrews 2:10
Nor, 1 Corinthians 1:9, where Paul says, "God is faithful, through whom ( δι' οὗ, same genitive as in Hebrews 1:2, and 2:10) you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord"
Here Paul says that the Father "worked on behalf" of Jesus Christ!
This may help.
Colossians 1:16
16 for by Yahwah all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created by Yahwah and for Him. 17 He himself came before all things, and by Yahwah all things hold together.
God's name was removed by the Catholics and Rabbi's from the scriptures.
Yahwah's name was in the original New Testament scriptures
After killing Hebrew Christians, the Jews would take the New testament scripture written in Hebrew, and carefully cut the name of God out. Then they would place the divine name in a safe place to keep. Following that, they then would burn the remainder of the scrolls in a fire. Rabbi Yose who lived during the second century AD states that, "One cuts out the reference to the Divine Name which are in them [the New Testament writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns." One of his characteristic sayings is, "He who proclaimed the coming of the Messiah,[John] and he who hated scholars [Yahshua] and his disciples; and that false prophet and those slanderers, will have no part in the future world."
According to Wilhelm Bacher this was directed against the Hebrew Christians. And so it is an established fact then, that the disciples of Christ did in fact write the Holy Name of God into the original New Testament.
John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
Hebrews 2:12
He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”
Where do you see the name Yahwah in the New Testament?
Yahwah's name was in the original New Testament scriptures
As I stated the same writer also stated God made the universe or ages or all worlds through His Son.
He is perfect and doesn't need to attain perfection. Jesus taught us to be like Him.
In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered.
Those who listen and learn from the Father go to the Son. They shall all be taught by God.
Jesus follows His Fathers will not the other way around.
The Father is living In Him. The source of Jesus's life as He stated He lived by the Father just as those who feed off of Him live by Him. The eternal life found in the Son is the Father.
You also ignore the fact that the Father is the one who has blessed us with every Spiritual blessing found in Christ.
You don't believe true God "from" true God? It is and remains the Fathers Deity that lives in the Son. Col 1:19
The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father. They are one. In that oneness Jesus is the First and Last and all that the Father is.
Perhaps that is a better explanation then what you were taught in that Jesus calls the Father His God and He states the Father is greater than Him and the only true God and that He lives by the Father. To teach otherwise is to state He doesn't always use truth. I follow Him. One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ.
Where did you read Jesus created through the Father in this verse? Isn't that something you are inserting into the text?
In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation.
But you did read the Father created through His Son in this verse.
Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe
In the Old Testament, we have in Isaiah 9:6, which is a Prophecy for The Messiah, Jesus Christ. One of His Name is "’êl Gibbôr", which is literally, "Mighty-God", as the DSS reads, "’êlGibbôr".
the Jewish Targum of Jonathan Ben Uziel the disciple of Hillel (110 BC-10AD; Bab. Meg. 32):
“The prophet saith to the house of David, A child has been born to us, a son has been given to us; and he has taken the law upon himself to keep it, and his name has been called from of old (from eternity, Pauli ed), Wonderful counsellor, Mighty God, He who lives for ever, the Anointed one (or, Messiah), in whose days peace shall increase upon us. Great shall be the splendour of them that observe the law, and of them that preserve peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to build it in judgement and in righteousness from henceforth and for ever: by the Memra of the Lord of hosts shall this be wrought” (Targum Jonathan Ben Uziel. J F Stenning; The Targum of Isaiah, p 32. Oxford 1953 ed, also, Rev. C. W. H. Pauli; Targum Jonathan Ben Uziel: The Chaldee Paraphrase on The Prophet Isaiah; pp.30, 31)
In the 1st/2nd century AD, Rabbi Yose HaGelili, said of this passage:
“Thus rabbi Jose, of Galilee, says, ‘The name of the Messiah is shâlôm, as is said in Isa 9:6, “Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.” ‘Ben Sira (fol. 40, of the Amsterdam Edition, 1679) numbers among the eight names of the Messiah those also taken from this passage, Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Prince of Peace. The later Jews, however, have rejected this interpretation, because the Messiah is here described as God” (Albert Barnes Commentary)
In Isaiah 10:21, we also have "’êl Gibbôr", which no one ever translates in any other way! The same is in Jeremiah 32:18
Zechariah 2:6-11
“Come! Come! Flee from the land of the north,’ says Yahweh; ‘for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the sky,’ says Yahweh. ‘Come, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon.’ For Yahweh of Armies says: ‘For Honor He has sent Me to the nations which plundered you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye. For, behold, I will shake My hand over them, and they will be a plunder to those who served them; and you will know that Yahweh of Armies has sent Me. Sing and rejoice, daughter of Zion; for, behold, I Come, and I will dwell within you,’ says Yahweh. Many nations shall join themselves to Yahweh in that day, and shall be My people; and I will dwell among you, and you shall know that Yahweh of Armies has sent Me to you”
This is one of the clearest passages in the Old Testament, where we read of Two distinct Persons, Who are called, Yahweh.
The passage teaches about the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is clear that the Speaker is Yahweh, Who says that He is “Sent” by Another Person, Who is “Yahweh of Armies”. The One Who is “Sent”, cannot be the same Person, as the One who “Sends”, they are very much distinct, but coequal.
So you are very wrong to suppose, that there is only One Person in the Jewish Scriptures, Who is caled YHWH!
From the "Creeds", which is FALSE teaching!
"Θεὸν ἀληθινὸν ἐκ Θεοῦ ἀληθινοῦ".
The "ἐκ" here is to shown a "subordination" of Jesus Christ to the Father, as it teaches that Jesus Christ is "out of" the Being of the Father. This is HERESY!
the Nicene creed was actually based on the "creed" that was developed by Eusebius of Caesarea, who was a supporter of the RANK-HERETIC, Arius.
Jesus says that the Father is Greater than He, as the Incarnate GOD-MAN, and not as the Eternal GOD!
Jesus also says in John 5:23
"so that all will Honor the Son even as they Honor the Father. He who does not Honor the Son does not Honor the Father who sent Him"
EVEN AS in the Greek is, "καθὼς", which is literally, JUST AS
How can Jesus Christ, if any less than the Father, say that He MUST BE HONORED JUST AS THE FATHER?
This means COEQUALITY!
He said the Father is greater than Him because that is truth. As I believe God does not end and never changes as He is.
You believe the Logos ended and became the Son and remained the Son.. I believe Jesus has always been the Son.
And those who love the Son are loved by the Father. I love my Lord.
Yes as per this OP
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
The Father is the one who glorifies Him.
So you say. Since in the Son all the fullness of God the Father was pleased to dwell, He is all that the Father is and the Father is in Him and He in the Father. They are one. But the Deity in Christ is not His own but the Fathers who as Jesus stated is the only true God as stated truth.
They shall call Him Lord and as written believe in their heart that God raised Him from the dead.
You think that negates the truths stated by the Lord that He lives by the Father, the Father is the only true God and His God, and the Father is greater than Him you are mistaken.
This was her confession in regard to belief in Jesus,
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
27“Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.
His reasoning. Jesus is the one who judges as appointed by God.
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
Jesus Christ can only be Honoured in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS the Father is because He is YHWH
So you reject His reasoning? "but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father"
In regard to authority given, as from God to His Son, the Father is greater in authority only in respect to His own throne.
What is such a Son called? Christ the Lord. As in One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.
Willing or unwilling all will bow down to God's Son who is also God's Christ the Lord by God's expressed will and command.
Therefore, God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.