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Did The Father "Give" Life to Jesus Christ?

Hebrews 1:6, is a quote from Psalm 97:7, and Deuteronomy 32:43, as found in the Greek Old Testament (the Septuagint, LXX), that was translated from the Hebrew text, about 100 years before the Birth of Jesus Christ, by Jewish scholars.

Psalm 97:7;

“Let all the Worshippers of graven images, who boast of their idols, be confounded. worship him all ye his angels” (LXX)

The Hebrew Masoretic Text (MT), produced between the 6th and 10th centuries AD, reads: “Made ashamed shall be all that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: unto him bow down all the gods” (Isaac Leeser translation).

Deuteronomy 32:43;

“Rejoice, heavens, with him, And let all the angels of God worship him: Rejoice, nations, with his people, And let all the children of God rely on him: For he avengeth the blood of his children, And will judge, and execute vengeance on his enemies, To them who hate him he will render retribution, And the Lord will purify the land of his people” (LXX)

“Speak aloud, O ye nations, the praises of his people; for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and vengeance will he render to his adversaries, and forgive his land, and people” (MT, Leeser).

The Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS), which is older than the MT, reads:

“Rejoice, O heavens, together with Him; and bow down to Him all you gods, for He will avenge the blood of His sons, and will render vengeance to His enemies, and will recompense those who hate Him, and will atone for the land of His people.” (DSS, 4QDeutq)

Regardless of the variant readings, the fact remains that in Hebrews 1:6, God the Father Commands that Jesus Christ is WORSHIPED. This is also clear from other passages in the New Testament

Matthew 8:1-4; “When He had come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed Him. And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”

Matthew 9:18-19; “While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.” So Jesus arose and followed him, and so did His disciples”.

Matthew 14:33; “Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God”

Matthew 28:16-17, “Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted”

Mark 5:6, “When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him”

Luke 24:51-53; “Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven. And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, and were continually in the temple praising and blessing God. Amen”

John 9:38, “Then he said, "Lord, I believe!" And he worshiped Him”

The best definition of what True Worship of God is, is in the Book of Revelation. In Chapter 4 we read:

“And when the living creatures give Glory and Honor and Thanks to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne, saying, "Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive the Glory and the Honor and the Power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created."” (verses 9-11)

This can either refer to God the Father, or the Lord Jesus Christ, of Whom, the Father says in Hebrews 1:10-12, “And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: they shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; and as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail”. Jesus is The Actual Creator of the entire universe.

In Revelation chapter 5, we have this said about Jesus Christ:

“saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive the Power and Riches and Wisdom and Might and Honor and Glory and Blessing” (verse 12)

This language is impossible for someone who is not Almighty God.

In the next two verses, we read of BOTH God the Father AND Jesus Christ:

“And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be the Blessing and the Honor and the Glory and the Might, forever and ever. And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshiped”

Note the important words here, “καὶ τῷ ἀρνίῳ”, “ALSO to The Lamb”, Who is The Lord Jesus Christ. Here we have the Greek conjunction, “καὶ”, used for “expressing emphatic assertion or assent”. ALL that is here ascribed to God the Father, “the Blessing and the Honor and the Glory and the Might”, is done so EQUALLY to Jesus Christ. Further, they are BOTH WORSHIPPED TOGETHER. No “subordination” of Jesus Christ to the Father. The Father is not “greater” than Jesus Christ. The Father is not “only God”, and Jesus Christ, simply “God”, in a lower sense. This Testimony in Revelation, is for ABSOLUTE EQUALITY.

In Revelation chapter 22, verse 1, 3: “And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb...No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His servants will Serve Him”.

Here we have, “του θρονου του θεου και του αρνιου (the throne of God and of the Lamb)”, clearly Two distinct Persons, “του θεου, του αρνιου”, but, “του θρονου” (the throne), is in the singular number. Again in verse 3 we have the same in the Greek, “του θρονου του θεου και του αρνιου”, and the singular “του θρονου”. “His (αυτου, masc, sing) servants, shall Worship Him (αυτω, masc, sing). Not only the Father and Jesus Christ are JOINT in their Rule, but they are Served, and Worshipped TOGETHER, as in 5:13-14

And, Revelation 11:15

“Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”

Note the end, “He shall Reign”, which in the Greek is, “βασιλευσει”, which is in the singular number. It can refer either, to “His Christ (τοῦ Χριστοῦ αὐτοῦ)”, or, to “our Lord and of His Christ (τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν καὶ τοῦ Χριστοῦ αὐτοῦ)”. It is clear from the Book of Revelation that the latter is the correct way to understand this verse. This is clear that BOTH The Father AND Jesus Christ will Reign Eternally Forever.

There can be no doubt, that the Infallible Word of Almighty God, Teaches that The Lord Jesus Christ, is, within the Eternal Godhead, Completely and Absolutely, COEQUAL with God the Father.
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This word editor is a major malfunction.


"The Lord" is Yahwah, but the scholars failed to translate it.
Yahshua was created by the Father according to scriptures.
Proverbs 8

1 Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
4 “To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
5 You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.
6 Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
7 My mouth speaks what is true,
for my lips detest wickedness.
8 All the words of my mouth are just;
none of them is crooked or perverse.
9 To the discerning all of them are right;
they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
10 Choose my instruction instead of silver,
knowledge rather than choice gold,
11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies,
and nothing you desire can compare with her.
12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;
I possess knowledge and discretion.
(See Isaiah 11:2.)

13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.
14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
I have insight, I have power.
15 By me kings reign
and rulers issue decrees that are just;
16 by me princes govern,
and nobles—all who rule on earth.
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me find me.
18 With me are riches and honor,
enduring wealth and prosperity.
19 My fruit is better than fine gold;
what I yield surpasses choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
along the paths of justice,
21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
and making their treasuries full.
22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.
32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
blessed are those who keep my ways.
33 Listen to my instruction and be wise;
do not disregard it.
34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
35 For those who find me find life
and receive favor from the Lord.

36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
all who hate me love death.”
 
Christ is a created being according to the bible

the HIGHEST BLASPHEMY!

You are TWISTING what the Bible says!

I have shown many times, that in the Old Testament, we see Jesus Christ as MIGHTY GOD, as the Father is!

I have also shown from Zechariah chapter 2 verses 6-12, where the Speaker is YHWH, Who is SENT by ANOTHER Person, Who is also YHWH!

You won't accept these Bible TRUTHS as your "theology" won't allow you to!
 
This word editor is a major malfunction.


"The Lord" is Yahwah, but the scholars failed to translate it.
Yahshua was created by the Father according to scriptures.
Proverbs 8

1 Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
4 “To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
5 You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.
6 Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
7 My mouth speaks what is true,
for my lips detest wickedness.
8 All the words of my mouth are just;
none of them is crooked or perverse.
9 To the discerning all of them are right;
they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
10 Choose my instruction instead of silver,
knowledge rather than choice gold,
11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies,
and nothing you desire can compare with her.
12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;
I possess knowledge and discretion.
(See Isaiah 11:2.)

13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.
14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
I have insight, I have power.
15 By me kings reign
and rulers issue decrees that are just;
16 by me princes govern,
and nobles—all who rule on earth.
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me find me.
18 With me are riches and honor,
enduring wealth and prosperity.
19 My fruit is better than fine gold;
what I yield surpasses choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
along the paths of justice,
21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
and making their treasuries full.
22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.
32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
blessed are those who keep my ways.
33 Listen to my instruction and be wise;
do not disregard it.
34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
35 For those who find me find life
and receive favor from the Lord.

36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
all who hate me love death.”

The Old Testament is CLEAR that Jesus Christ is THE CREATOR and YHWH!

 
Tell me here how my understanding of Hebrews 2:10 is mistaken?

"For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the originator of their salvation through sufferings" NASB

"For it was fitting for him, for whom and through whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through sufferings" NET

"For it became him, for whom are all things and through whom are all things, in bringing many children to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings" WEB

"For in bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was entirely appropriate that God—for whom and through whom all things exist—should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through sufferings." CSB

"For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings" ASV

"For it was fitting to Him, because of whom [are] all things, and through whom [are] all things, bringing many sons to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings" LSV

Etc, etc

It is the SAME Greek preposition, "δι’", that is used here for God the Father, as it is in 1.2 for God the Son!

In Hebrews 2:10, it is clear that Jesus Christ Created THROUGH God the Father!

You cannot honestly get another understanding from this!

BOTH Jesus Christ and the Father have to be 100% COEQUAL, otherwise these passages make zero sense!
Jesus created through God the Father?
My understanding is correct. The Nicene creed is correct as I read. You are mistaken. If you are correct then the writer of Hebrews who you use the support your theology is wrong in Hebrews 1:2; John is wrong and Paul is wrong and the church is wrong. I going with your mistaken. Jesus's God, the Father, created by and through His Son.
Hebrews 1:2
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

Col 1:15-16
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Ephesians 3:14-17
For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15from whom every family a in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith

Ephesians 1:3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.
Rev 4
“You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”
 
the HIGHEST BLASPHEMY!

You are TWISTING what the Bible says!

I have shown many times, that in the Old Testament, we see Jesus Christ as MIGHTY GOD, as the Father is!

I have also shown from Zechariah chapter 2 verses 6-12, where the Speaker is YHWH, Who is SENT by ANOTHER Person, Who is also YHWH!

You won't accept these Bible TRUTHS as your "theology" won't allow you to!
You must not read the scriptures I post.
 
The Old Testament is CLEAR that Jesus Christ is THE CREATOR and YHWH!

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard? Yahwah is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.

Yahshua said:
Matthew 19:4
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’
 
Jesus created through God the Father?
My understanding is correct. The Nicene creed is correct as I read. You are mistaken. If you are correct then the writer of Hebrews who you use the support your theology is wrong in Hebrews 1:2; John is wrong and Paul is wrong and the church is wrong. I going with your mistaken. Jesus's God, the Father, created by and through His Son.
Hebrews 1:2
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

Col 1:15-16
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Ephesians 3:14-17
For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15from whom every family a in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith

Ephesians 1:3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.
Rev 4
“You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”

Notice what Paul says in Romans 11:36

"For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen"

There are three prepositions used here in the Greek

ex autou = of Him
di' autou = through Him
eis auton = for Him

The words "all things", is "ta panta", which is "the sum total of the entire Universe"

What do you think is meant by "di' autou = through Him", which is exactly the same preposition used in Hebrews 1:2?

The same is in Hebrews 2:10

"For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings"

Again, notice

di' hon = for Whom
di' hou = through Whom

in the first use, the relative pronoun is used with the accusative; in the second, with the genetive

Who does "di' hou = through Whom" refer to?

In 1 Corinthians 1:9, Paul writes

"God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord"

This is very interesting in the Greek. We have "di' hou", the same as in the second use in Hebrews 2:10, "di' hou = through Whom". This means that Paul is saying, that God the Father "works on behalf of" Jesus Christ.

The Greek grammarian, Dr Samuel Greek says of the use of preposition, “di'” here:

“The Father is represented as acting on behalf of his Son, to bring Christians into fellowship with Him” (Handbook to the Grammar of the Greek Testament, p. 246)

This says that God the Father, is in a "subordinate" role for the Son, Jesus Christ.

ONLY if Jesus Christ is 100% COEQUAL with the Father, is this language possible!

These are FACTS from the Bible
 
Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard? Yahwah is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.

Yahshua said:
Matthew 19:4
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’

Again, ignoring the FACTS that I have shown conclusively from Isaiah 48, that Jesus Christ as YHWH, is THE ACTUAL CREATOR!

It makes no difference whatsoever, if you accept this, or not. Your disbelief does not change what the Infallible Word of God actually says!
 
Again, ignoring the FACTS that I have shown conclusively from Isaiah 48, that Jesus Christ as YHWH, is THE ACTUAL CREATOR!

It makes no difference whatsoever, if you accept this, or not. Your disbelief does not change what the Infallible Word of God actually says!
Only Yahwah is the First and the Last. The Catholics corrupted the scriptures to give proof of Trinitarianism.

Revelation First and Last.

As you can see there is no mention of a First and Last in the NIV, chapter 1:11. The scholars are silent about it. In the Old Testament only Yahwah is the First and Last.

KJV

Revelation 1:11
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.



NIV

Revelation 1:11
which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

Revelation 1:17
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

Revelation 2:8
[ To the Church in Smyrna ] “To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.





Here is the reason Yahwah alone is the First and Last. Yahwah formed First before any other, and Yahwah is the Last because none will come after Him.

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no [god / God] (el / El) formed, nor will there be one after me.

Many times Yahwah says there is no other, but Him alone. Christ himself calls Yahwah The Only True God.



Isaiah 44:6
“This is what (the Lord / Yahwah) says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, (the Lord / Yahwah) Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.
 
Only Yahwah is the First and the Last. The Catholics corrupted the scriptures to give proof of Trinitarianism.

Revelation First and Last.

As you can see there is no mention of a First and Last in the NIV, chapter 1:11. The scholars are silent about it. In the Old Testament only Yahwah is the First and Last.

KJV

Revelation 1:11
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.



NIV

Revelation 1:11
which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

Revelation 1:17
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

Revelation 2:8
[ To the Church in Smyrna ] “To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.





Here is the reason Yahwah alone is the First and Last. Yahwah formed First before any other, and Yahwah is the Last because none will come after Him.

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no [god / God] (el / El) formed, nor will there be one after me.

Many times Yahwah says there is no other, but Him alone. Christ himself calls Yahwah The Only True God.



Isaiah 44:6
“This is what (the Lord / Yahwah) says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, (the Lord / Yahwah) Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

In Revelation 2.8 and 22.13 it is Jesus Christ Who is the Speaker and IS YHWH
 
Notice what Paul says in Romans 11:36

"For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen"

There are three prepositions used here in the Greek

ex autou = of Him
di' autou = through Him
eis auton = for Him

The words "all things", is "ta panta", which is "the sum total of the entire Universe"

What do you think is meant by "di' autou = through Him", which is exactly the same preposition used in Hebrews 1:2?

The same is in Hebrews 2:10

"For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings"

Again, notice

di' hon = for Whom
di' hou = through Whom

in the first use, the relative pronoun is used with the accusative; in the second, with the genetive

Who does "di' hou = through Whom" refer to?

In 1 Corinthians 1:9, Paul writes

"God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord"

This is very interesting in the Greek. We have "di' hou", the same as in the second use in Hebrews 2:10, "di' hou = through Whom". This means that Paul is saying, that God the Father "works on behalf of" Jesus Christ.

The Greek grammarian, Dr Samuel Greek says of the use of preposition, “di'” here:

“The Father is represented as acting on behalf of his Son, to bring Christians into fellowship with Him” (Handbook to the Grammar of the Greek Testament, p. 246)

This says that God the Father, is in a "subordinate" role for the Son, Jesus Christ.

ONLY if Jesus Christ is 100% COEQUAL with the Father, is this language possible!

These are FACTS from the Bible
I see you are unable to accept that the Father is the source of all things and by His will and command, He brought into existence all things by and through His Son. The Son acts according to His Fathers will even from the beginning and remains in His Fathers love and as God declared as a voice from heaven He is well pleased in His Son. Those who love the Son are loved by the Father,

Even the plan of salvation is the Fathers who blessed us with every spiritual blessing found in Christ. The Son was "chosen" to be crucified on behalf of mankind before the world began.

As I stated if Jesus stating that God the Father is His God doesn't convince you that in Jesus's mind, His God is greater than you will never believe.

Jesus is ALL that His God and Father is for in Him all the Fathers fullness was pleased to dwell/live. Col 1:19
The Deity found in the Son is not His own but the Fathers. That Deity in Him created. God created by His Son.
The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father and they are one forever, but the Father is greater as Jesus Himself testified.
 
I see you are unable to accept that the Father is the source of all things and by His will and command, He brought into existence all things by and through His Son. The Son acts according to His Fathers will even from the beginning and remains in His Fathers love and as God declared as a voice from heaven He is well pleased in His Son. Those who love the Son are loved by the Father,

Even the plan of salvation is the Fathers who blessed us with every spiritual blessing found in Christ. The Son was "chosen" to be crucified on behalf of mankind before the world began.

As I stated if Jesus stating that God the Father is His God doesn't convince you that in Jesus's mind, His God is greater than you will never believe.

Jesus is ALL that His God and Father is for in Him all the Fathers fullness was pleased to dwell/live. Col 1:19
The Deity found in the Son is not His own but the Fathers. That Deity in Him created. God created by His Son.
The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father and they are one forever, but the Father is greater as Jesus Himself testified.

The Father is YHWH

Jesus Christ is YHWH

The Holy Spirit is YHWH
 
Notice what Paul says in Romans 11:36

"For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen"

There are three prepositions used here in the Greek

ex autou = of Him
di' autou = through Him
eis auton = for Him

The words "all things", is "ta panta", which is "the sum total of the entire Universe"

What do you think is meant by "di' autou = through Him", which is exactly the same preposition used in Hebrews 1:2?

The same is in Hebrews 2:10

"For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings"

Again, notice

di' hon = for Whom
di' hou = through Whom

in the first use, the relative pronoun is used with the accusative; in the second, with the genetive

Who does "di' hou = through Whom" refer to?

In 1 Corinthians 1:9, Paul writes

"God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord"

This is very interesting in the Greek. We have "di' hou", the same as in the second use in Hebrews 2:10, "di' hou = through Whom". This means that Paul is saying, that God the Father "works on behalf of" Jesus Christ.

The Greek grammarian, Dr Samuel Greek says of the use of preposition, “di'” here:

“The Father is represented as acting on behalf of his Son, to bring Christians into fellowship with Him” (Handbook to the Grammar of the Greek Testament, p. 246)

This says that God the Father, is in a "subordinate" role for the Son, Jesus Christ.

ONLY if Jesus Christ is 100% COEQUAL with the Father, is this language possible!

These are FACTS from the Bible
So God didn't speak to us in these last days by His Son?
So God didn't appoint Jesus heir of all things?
Or its just the part God created by the Son that troubles you?

but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
 
So God didn't speak to us in these last days by His Son?
So God didn't appoint Jesus heir of all things?
Or its just the part God created by the Son that troubles you?

but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

You keep on ignoring Hebrews 2.10 which is very clear that Jesus Christ Created through the Father
 
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