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Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed

jasonc said:
There is a balence .the problem Pentacostals is that it's encouraged that you should always have some emotional experience in church .

Sometimes ya don't .
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They also tend to lean toward prosperity gospel .

They also tend to be not much different then inspirational teachers .ya can be a better you next year .ie make you better .
You can be more Holy and strive for it but well the health and wealth is secondary to the gospel and it's call.

Jesus speaks of suffering and the cost of following him .

There are exceptions I have met them .
 
Dorothy Mae said:
You have the problem that Jesus actually said, “these signs shall follow them that believe…they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.” He seemed to think that by his stripes our bodies can be healed, not some etheral spiritual internal change that no man can measure. In fact, I’m not sure “spiritual healing” is even in the scripture. Healing the broken-hearted is for sure.

The problem is that real healings don’t happen much in the west because of the relative thinking we’ve been taught. “It’s true for you” guts a man of the faith that would enable him to see the power of God demonstrate obvious answers. I lived in the undeveloped world for some time and there we saw the lame walk. That and understanding the flawed world view of my own culture changed me forever.

It really would be better to seek why miracles are so rare here rather than find an excuse for this state of affairs.

Once I had a few days of bad headaches and asked God to heal it. I don’t get headaches generally. He didn’t. I asked Him what’s wrong and He said I was being “stiff-necked” about a matter. I knew exactly what He meant. I repented and the headaches were gone. That’s what I mean.
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Some have hands laid on them and they do not heal.

Also, what does the East or West have to do with this?
It's either a real thing, or it's not.

If it's real, it has to be real for everyone.
Beginning with the Apostles, not many were healed after Jesus ascended.
 
eddif said:
Ok I think we may get somewhere.

Your Isaiah post. We can do this over time.

How many parts do you think man had / has? You do not have to compete over two VS three.

I believe it can be 3 now (in this time).

Body ( made in his image )
Soul Mind, will, emotions - (often led astray)
Spirit (I will put my law in….)

Isaiah 53 IMHO is diverse

There are different areas of our existence. Jesus healed disease / delivered from demons / raised from dead, genetic problems from birth / restored cut off ear, etc.

Some areas are mind
Some areas are will
Some are emotional

Rebellion
Sins

Souls for people began at creation.
Spirits for sons and daughters began at Pentecost.

Now all these matching parallels are difficult, because of our dark sunshades.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
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Well, of course Jesus did as you state.
He was God on earth.
God is not on earth anymore, but we are.
He doesn't interrupt nature every second of every day to do these healings we're speaking of.

I agree we are beings of 3 different "natures"...a trichotomy.
But I do believe Isaiah is speaking to our spirit part.
And please remember that our spirit part does affect our soul part.
 
JLB said:
You would be surprised to know that many don’t believe in casting out devils or healing or miracles.

Cessationism.

Thanks to false teachers like John McArthur.



JLB
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I didn't know this.
Unfortunately, possession is true and the church has a remedy for it.
I wonder if John McArthur believes anything that is in keeping with mainline Christianity.
 
wondering said:
Some have hands laid on them and they do not heal.

Also, what does the East or West have to do with this?
It's either a real thing, or it's not.
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The people in the underdeveloped world KNOW that there is a spiritual world and that it is real. The people in the west are told it is there if they think it is there. The difference is night and day. There is more, but you would have to want to understand that there really is a different mentality.
wondering said:
If it's real, it has to be real for everyone.
Beginning with the Apostles, not many were healed after Jesus ascended.
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Jesus could not do many miracles there because they did not believe. This is real for everyone. Those in other cultures believe.

And you are wrong about the Apostles not healing many. They healed a lot and handkerchiefs brought to people from the apostles healed people. Jesus said those signs would follow them. Do you accuse him of being mistaken? Just think about it.
 
JLB said:
You would be surprised to know that many don’t believe in casting out devils or healing or miracles.

Cessationism.

Thanks to false teachers like John McArthur.



JLB
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I guess those guys NEVER ask for healing but just accept anything the devil gives them. This is a part of the believers in the west having their faith gutted. "God doesn't do miracles anymore, they were only to show Jesus was the Son of God" and worse, "God stopped speaking to people after the Bible was finished...He has lapsed into silence." I am glad he started talking to me before I heard that He doesn't talk to people like he did in bible days. I didn't know he doesn't talk and so answered.
 
JLB said:
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Acts 10:38


And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen. John 21:25


The only people where Jesus did just a few healings was in His hometown where they didn’t receive as the Messiah but saw him as they had always known Him, as the carpenters son.


When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” So they were offended at Him.
But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.” Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief. Matthew 13:54-58


So we see one of the main reasons many are not healed is their unbelief.





JLB
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Jesus also asked some to remove themselves from the household of Jairus because of their unbelief.

So what does this mean?
I'd say it means that, if you're correct, most Christians are non-believers, or do not believe,
and few are those that believe and are healed.

This is a rather sad idea.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
I guess those guys NEVER ask for healing but just accept anything the devil gives them. This is a part of the believers in the west having their faith gutted. "God doesn't do miracles anymore, they were only to show Jesus was the Son of God" and worse, "God stopped speaking to people after the Bible was finished...He has lapsed into silence." I am glad he started talking to me before I heard that He doesn't talk to people like he did in bible days. I didn't know he doesn't talk and so answered.
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I guess when im shot in the chest with a sucking chest would call jlb for that healing and don't deny that that wheezing sound and blood spitting up and difficult breathing is just the devil .

Just wait for it .be patient .don't call 911 and if I do I'm sinning because I deny the power of God .

See where that goes .

I can't think of anyone who has cancer ,who has burn injuries. Or myself with asthma and PTSD that simply want it.

I know this. To proclaim that you have it denies healing .that creates a wierd problem

With PTSD the VA then would say ok you faked it and please pay us back and the VA officer with badge will visit to ensure you pay up.oh btw that means ya can't find a job ,collect ss and or military retirement .

So lie it is. Which is it ?
 
Dorothy Mae said:
The Catholics are not a good example. But we could do a survey here and ask how many attend churches that cast out demons. How many pastors know demonization when they encounter it?
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Why are Catholics not a good choice?

Dorothy Mae said:
"The Beatiful Side of Evil" is a book about a christian who was involved in the occult before and wrote of healing does by the Enemy although they did not think that who was behind it.
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Of course healing could be demonic.

Dorothy Mae said:
Since JLB knows something about healing, I doubt he believes this. This is thinking how it must be to work in praying for the sick and this does not reflect the reality.
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JLB said that the non-healing is due to unbelief.
 
Christ_empowered said:
Demonic healing….

Frightening at many levels.
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Possible .but I got stories on my encounters .

But well us non pentacostals...

I haven't thought about the witch I knew in years . Possessed by two demons .

Then there is the buildings I mention . I can't think of any demon cast out in the three pentacostal churches I went to in my time .not saying it didny happen just not something I heard .I know of the bus story with a member but that did occur and was before my time in that church .
 
jasonc said:
Possible .but I got stories on my encounters .

But well us non pentacostals...

I haven't thought about the witch I knew in years . Possessed by two demons .

Then there is the buildings I mention . I can't think of any demon cast out in the three pentacostal churches I went to in my time .not saying it didny happen just not something I heard .I know of the bus story with a member but that did occur and was before my time in that church .
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As I said earlier, I work in a mental facility and I know some of these people are demon possessed. I will say that some of their behavior mimics what I saw in the Pentecostal/charismatic churches.
 
Just because the cessationalists disagree with you . doesn't mean they don't think God doesnt heal .

These do pray ,these do fast .these do teach we can pray .it's just that well they don't take it out of context .

I have asthma .my asthma upped and taught me I'm not immortal.i was beat read abs so much the er put me in fast.i never felt the shortness .just felt off .yet I could have my throat closed.thr oxygenator should 02 at 92 percent .when I left it was at it's usual 98.

James also says tommorow isn't promised
 
electedbyhim said:
As I said earlier, I work in a mental facility and I know some of these people are demon possessed. I will say that some of their behavior mimics what I saw in the Pentecostal/charismatic churches.
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Glossalia ?
The barking ?

That extreme is the nar, brownsville crap.

Note there are oneness pentacostals who teach that the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation that you must be baptized and we'll ,uhm the Trinity !

So what spirit is that ?
 
I leave with this .

I have found even in pentacostals churches that it didn't compare to the church I had overseas in war.

We had chaplains of different faith .some pentacostals .some not .but well when death stares at you .church isn't the same .nothing like that .yes I had some of that pentacistal type worship over there but even when I didnt.thr home church stuff wasnt close.i was pentacistal then
 
In general….

The further one drops below middle class the more health problems overall. Suicide and drug abuse rates also skyrocket among the rich and very rich.
 
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