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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Benoni said:
Again with this nonsense.
John ONLY SHOWS that man CANNOT COME UNTIL the Father draws....THAT is what is actually shown there.
By the way....
John 6:44 is NOT the ENTIRE scope of evidence, friend....open a bible once and a while..
Im not ADDING Anything, Im telling you that there is MORE than ONE verse in this free will issue.
Man CAN choose, when God draws, to REPENT or CONTINUE living in rebellion...
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PUHlease...youve BEEN shown numerous times in THIS thread already AND in other recent ones.Benoni said:
That you refuse to read the material is inconsequential except that it causes me to have to keep showing the READERS here just what kind of game you are playing
I do read my Bible; and you did add to the verse; and if there is “more MORE than ONE verse in this free will issue†then please post them. Besides I have how many times posted Eph. 2 and pointed out the content and context of the verse and you are ignoring both.
If man can choose when God draws them, then prove it with God’s Word not your words.
I am not reading your KJV only sites, I do not limit God's Word like you do.
Eph, 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
(Eph. 6:17). Then the writer to the Hebrews declares that the sword of God’s word is "QUICK ."Quick means living and active  LIFE-GIVING! "For the word of God that speaks is alive and full of power  making it active, operative, energizing and effective; it is sharper than any two-edged sword" (Heb. 4:12, Amplified).
2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast
More spin and HOGWASH...
That is your problem you have never proven nothing; you keep acting like you said something once but you have never said anything. Then you give me some point you claim you made; but you have never made the point; except in your imagination.
Then you try to spin John 6:44 to mean what you want it to mean by adding words to scripture.
Pleaseeee.... Show me the beef!!!!!!
That is your problem you have never proven nothing; you keep acting like you said something once but you have never said anything. Then you give me some point you claim you made; but you have never made the point; except in your imagination.
Then you try to spin John 6:44 to mean what you want it to mean by adding words to scripture.
Pleaseeee.... Show me the beef!!!!!!
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Benoni said:
No, friend, I did EXACTLY what the passage in my signature SAYS to do...RIGHTLY DIVIDE the word of truth...ie STUDY the ENTIRE bible...not rip one verse out of context and force into it something that the WHOLE does not teach....as you clearly do.
Pathetic.
Moderation needs to deal with you on this. Demanding that we keep REPEATING the same passage over and again simply causes more database and bandwidth waste.
You have given nothing but distortion.
Already have...you simply close your eyes when its posted...
yes, I realize that without the dots PREconnected that some cant figure it out themselves..but c'est la vie...your problem, not mine...
Is this pathetic lie all you have now benoni ?
This quote is from MY website and proves that you are bearing false witness...
So you keep right on with this ploy to keep trying to distract from the fact that youve been proven wrong here. Im sure the readers are buying it ;)
More spin, no substance. Avoiding the issue.
This quote is from MY website and proves that you are bearing false witness...
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You have given nothing but distortion.
Already have...you simply close your eyes when its posted...
yes, I realize that without the dots PREconnected that some cant figure it out themselves..but c'est la vie...your problem, not mine...
Is this pathetic lie all you have now benoni ?
This quote is from MY website and proves that you are bearing false witness...
So you keep right on with this ploy to keep trying to distract from the fact that youve been proven wrong here. Im sure the readers are buying it ;)[/quote:745e97g6]
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Benoni said:
So you keep claiming.
I do hope you have better than this, friend. Youre wasting your time and mine.
John 6:44 says two things.
1. no one comes unless the Father draws them.
2. we will be raised the last day.
Anything beyond that is YOUR addition to the text.
Very apparently you wouldnt know beef if it knocked you down and stood on your chest.
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Keep saying it....maybe one day you'll believe it yourself.Benoni said:
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And by the way, mondar and benoni....moderation HAS made the point that some of these threads in this forum are becoming repetitive ...
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39661
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39636
Why they are allowing this topic to be posted so many times is anyones guess. Other redundant threads have been locked.
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39661
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39636
Why they are allowing this topic to be posted so many times is anyones guess. Other redundant threads have been locked.
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If you mean that twisted version you keep posting, yes, I reject it because it absolutely is taking liberties with the texts that not even the Living Bible joke seems to take.Benoni said:
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Benoni,
How many times do you have to be told that Universalist doctrines are not what is the belief of most of the Christians here. You keep bashing anyone who doesn't have a Universalist stance as you do. I will stand in agreement with follower of Christ in his revealing that Universalism is a cult which believes that ALL those that are wicked will be reconciled unto salvation. And most of us here believe that universal reconciliation is NOT what the bible teaches.
Why do you persist in postin Universal Reconciliation beliefs in a web forum that clearly says it's against the rules to debate Universal Rreconciliation in the open forums? Why do you not take your challenge to the debate forums where it is only allowed to have one on one debate in that regard? I'm quite tired of you going into most every apologetic thread around here and spreading this Universal reconciliation garb all over the place.
follower of Christ,
Thank you again for the many scriptures you have presented here which clearly do counter against the false and perverted Universalist Reconciliation teaching Benoni has brought to this web site.
Quite frankly, it is a loggerhead battle with Benoni. Every single thread is like watching two rams butting heads. I will continue to state my agreement with you in each thread he insists on causing argument with you as long as he insists on spreading Universal Reconciliation beleifs around in the open forums.
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Benoni,
How many times do you have to be told that Universalist doctrines are not what is the belief of most of the Christians here. You keep bashing anyone who doesn't have a Universalist stance as you do. I will stand in agreement with follower of Christ in his revealing that Universalism is a cult which believes that ALL those that are wicked will be reconciled unto salvation. And most of us here believe that universal reconciliation is NOT what the bible teaches.
Why do you persist in postin Universal Reconciliation beliefs in a web forum that clearly says it's against the rules to debate Universal Rreconciliation in the open forums? Why do you not take your challenge to the debate forums where it is only allowed to have one on one debate in that regard? I'm quite tired of you going into most every apologetic thread around here and spreading this Universal reconciliation garb all over the place.
follower of Christ,
Thank you again for the many scriptures you have presented here which clearly do counter against the false and perverted Universalist Reconciliation teaching Benoni has brought to this web site.
Quite frankly, it is a loggerhead battle with Benoni. Every single thread is like watching two rams butting heads. I will continue to state my agreement with you in each thread he insists on causing argument with you as long as he insists on spreading Universal Reconciliation beleifs around in the open forums.
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follower of Christ said:
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Benoni said:
I don't have a problem with this but at the same time, I don't believe it would be wrong to say that we willingly come after we are drawn. Or to be more accurate, we come because we are drawn. And certainly God does not draw everyone otherwise everyone would be saved. God will raise up everyone that He has drawn on the last day. But is this every single person in the world? No. Many will not be raised up on the last day so this verse certainly isn't teaching that God draws us and then gives us a choice to come to Him or not.
Many have a problem with God dragging sinners to Christ but I am thankful for it. God didn't have to save me but He did. I would rather be dragged to Christ than God letting me die in my sins.
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When you start spamming a forum that I hang out at a lot and I see your one liner threads lining up at the top of the forum it makes you a bit easy to notice ;)Dave Slayer said:
I dont have to BE a moderator to see your MANY threads and the fact that you start them and in many of them you seem to be just posting and running off, ie not really posting to discuss the matter.
Just an observation....no need to get all twitchy or anything.
Thank some folks here who like to use my PM box to hide their personal assaults for that
I had to shut my PMs off because some folks like to get nasty behind the scenes because they dont want the brethren to see their behavior.
No interest in talking behind the scenes, Dave.
Do us a favor tho, be reasonable here and stop spamming the forums with so many redundant threads.
It IS MY business when you post THREE threads on the SAME topic that *I* end up having to waste my time in REPEATING what Ive said....kwim ?
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Illogical conclusion.Dave Slayer said:
If that were the case then Hebrews would not need to make the exhortations for the Hebrews not to reject salvation.
If it is assumed that man has no choice in the matter then these exhortations are meaningless/worthless.
Actually that is EXACTLY what the Hebrews exhortations are doing...trying to convince them TO repent and come to salvation. If it were automatic, then no exhortation would be necessary...it would simply be a matter of fact that 'drawing = automatic salvation'.
I have a problem with any teaching that distorts Gods word so...
Dave,Dave Slayer said:
Consider these Scriptures as you think on these things.
John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. KJV
1 Cor 15:22
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. KJV
Joe
I am thankful for it to, and honoured. I never said God was drawing all people now in look at Acts 2:39 and then 1 Corin. 15:22. I also do not think God is drawing/quicking all believers now; but instead his elect/overcomers who will become Kings and priest for the remainder of mankind.
Acts 2:39
"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and TO ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.".
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in His own order; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming." (I Cor. 15:22-23).
There is no doubt concerning the totality of salvation for every man-- whatever was affected by death through Adam, shall be MADE ALIVE THROUGH CHRIST.
The triumph of Christ is far greater than the sin of Adam.
But the point that is before us is that of TIMING-- with "every man in his own order."
There is DIVINE ORDER in this NEW CREATION that is being brought forth, as God gathers one by one a people unto Himself. From Calvary until this present time, God has been working in what is rightly termed "HIS FIRSTFRUITS." We who are living at the ending of this age ( note: which still could be a long ways away) are still being drawn into this "firstfruits order."
But never forget, the firstfruits of a harvest are the PROMISE that all the rest of the harvest will follow in its time.
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More out of context nonsense, benoni.Benoni said:
That passage is about the resurrection of the body...NOT about UR...
Resurrection
This study will be about the different aspects of final resurrection. We will be looking at different passages in God's word and seeing how they fit together to determine what we can expect at resurrection.
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Here firstly is a wonderfully clear passage from 1 Corinthians 15 that lays out a very details picture about resurrection of the dead and how this resurrection by Christ of all men defeats 'death' (of these bodies).
We see in this previous passage that resurrection is the reviving of our bodies from the corruptible into the incorruptible. We will be raised with spiritual bodies instead of these worn down shells that are prone to sickness and death.
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Eternal outcomes.
And this is what we will be resurrected TO...