Does The Bible Teach There Is A Second Chance In The Afterlife To Be Saved By Jesus?

[for_his_glory]

No, its a prophecy. Unlike parables, Lazarus is named.

As for your misreading John 3:13, the context explains Christ's meaning:

"no man has ascended (to return to earth and teach you heavenly things, you never met anyone who did), I alone can tell you heavenly things because I am from heaven, I witnessed them.

11 "Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness.
12 "If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
13 "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. (Jn. 3:11-13 NKJ)

Abraham's bosom just refers to a place of comfort where the righteous dead wait in their grave until judgement day when at that time they will spend eternal life with the Father, John 5:28, 29. Jesus was raised from the dead, but still many were not persuaded to accept Him as Lord and Savior as they refused the teachings of the Apostles, even today unto the end of days. Once they physically die reject God and His Son Christ Jesus there is no second chances or to try and send ones to tell your family about Jesus

The description of the clothing of the High Priest is found in Exodus 28 and 38:1-31. In the NT scribes were of the same sect of the Pharisees and would also be arrayed in purple and fine linen with miters on their heads. There were also a subordinate class of scribes, most of whom were Levites

The rich man in this parable is symbolic of the Mosaic experts (Lawyers) in which Jesus characterizes and condemns them and the Pharisees in Matthew 23:1-36 and Luke 11:37-54.

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

All these parables in Matthew, Mark and Luke are all about what we have to do to inherit eternal life. Lazarus in this parable represents those in whom we are to reach out to as in what Jesus said in Matthew 25:31-46 about the sheep and the goats as some will inherit eternal life while others will go away into ever lasting punishment and be remembered no more by God, John 5:28, 29.

Darkness (lake of fire) and light (the New Jerusalem) are separate from each other as no one in either place can see each other. All former things are passed away and we will not have any recognition of things of this present earth including family and friends that rejected Christ and will be in a place of outer darkness and gnashing of teeth as they are cast into the lake of fire, Isaiah 65:17-25; Rev 21:1-8, Matthew 8:12; 22:13; Luke 20:34-38.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The vast majority of Abraham's descendants in Jerusalem cried out for Jesus to be nailed to a cross that day.
All the offspring of Abraham & Hagar are also his descendants .
Including those that seek to eliminate all Jews & Christians in the name of Allah .
Human nature abhors the cross.
Are you unaware of Jesus speaking to the numbers?

Jesus said few would be saved of His generation of Jews, but from the rest of the world its implied billions and billions and billons would be saved:

 

[Alfred Persson]

What part of verse 27 says there will be a second chance? Many will die, Jesus returns on the last day and judgements are then made when the books are opened at what the Bible calls the Great White Throne Judgement. There is no more time being it' the last day, but that of this earth and heaven that will pass away and a new heaven and earth made new again in preparation of God ushering down the new Jerusalem.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

I grew tired of responding to you because you don't treat my argument at all. You ignore it. Here it is again:

The very next verse (Hebrews 9:28) says after death and the "judgment" those judged "eagerly wait" for Christ's Second coming, for salvation. Therefore, the "judgment" (2920 κρίσις krisis) is "the second chance", in Greek krisis is a "trial, contest, selection…opinion or decision given"-Strong's Concordance.

Clearly, all who repent and believe in Jesus during their trial have Jesus as the propitiation for their sins just as this scripture promises: "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world" (1 Jn. 2:2 ) because now they "eagerly wait for Him…for salvation":

27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis),
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. (Heb. 9:27-10:1 NKJ)

Only after you show where my logic is flawed, or Strong's concordance wrong, or the context contradicting my interpretation, can you cite other scriptures.

Don't feel as though I am singling you out, I say the same thing to Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

[for_his_glory]

I grew tired of responding to you because you don't treat my argument at all. You ignore it. Here it is again:

The very next verse (Hebrews 9:28) says after death and the "judgment" those judged "eagerly wait" for Christ's Second coming, for salvation. Therefore, the "judgment" (2920 κρίσις krisis) is "the second chance", in Greek krisis is a "trial, contest, selection…opinion or decision given"-Strong's Concordance.

Clearly, all who repent and believe in Jesus during their trial have Jesus as the propitiation for their sins just as this scripture promises: "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world" (1 Jn. 2:2 ) because now they "eagerly wait for Him…for salvation":



Only after you show where my logic is flawed, or Strong's concordance wrong, or the context contradicting my interpretation, can you cite other scriptures.

Don't feel as though I am singling you out, I say the same thing to Jehovah's Witnesses.

I do not ignore your arguments as it would seem I read them all and responded to them. You have every right to believe how you want and show your understanding just as I have every right to disagree and show my understanding.

If we have a second chance after Christ returns then why not live a worldly life and then accept Him after he returns. Where is that found in scripture. I do not normally reply to your threads anymore, but this one drew me in.

 

[Alfred Persson]

A logical argument can also distort the word of God as one misinterprets it. Yes, the dead, both that are or are not in Christ will hear His voice and be raised from their graves as this happens when Christ returns on the last day when the sheep will be separated from the goats and final judgement is made as the books are opened at that time as there are no second chances when Christ returns and the door of God's salvation is closed forever.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Then prove how it distorted. Then I can answer if I agree or not, but to slander a statement as "a lie" ends discussion.

You insert a distinction that is not in the verse. It doesn't say both Christians and nonChristians will hear Christ's voice, it says all the dead hear it, and those "who have done good" will rise to a resurrection of life:

28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (Jn. 5:28-29 NKJ)

The wording parallels what Christ said who hear and obey His voice while alive:

24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
25 "Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. (Jn. 5:24-25 NKJ)

The Greek is precisely the same:

Jesus used the same phrase ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς (hear his voice) in both John 5:24, 28. In John 5:24 context it means obedient hearing. Those who obey His voice shall live.

As John 5:28 shares the context, and the phrase repeats having the same meaning:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς) of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (John 5:24 KJV)


Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which <strong>all that are in the graves shall hear his voice (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς), "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (Jn. 5:28-29 KJV)

Same words, same context = same meaning.

And your interpretation of Revelation is incorrect, there are books opened, and you don't even know what those books are.

The names of the Elect are in the Book of Life (Phil. 4:3; Rev. 13:8; 17:8) but other names cannot be of the "Elect" because those names can be blotted out (Rev. 3:5; Exod. 32:32; Ps. 69:28) or written in (Ps. 69:28; 87:6; Dan. 12:1; Mal. 3:16). That requires other books exist, one for those who will be written in, and another for those blotted out, so they can be properly listed for judgment.

That's the second chance. Their names were written into the book of life while they were in hell, transposed from another book that showed they repented in hell and believed in Jesus.

You didn't know this because you don't know the context of Jewish belief of Christ's day:

[I.15 A] Said R. Kruspedai said R. Yohanan, "Three books are opened [by God] on the New Year: one for the thoroughly wicked, one for the thoroughly righteous, and one for middling [people].

"The thoroughly righteous immediately are inscribed and sealed for [continued] life.

[C] "The thoroughly wicked immediately are inscribed and sealed for death.

[D] "Middling [people] are left hanging from New Year until the Day of Atonement.

[E] "If they [are found to have] merit, they are inscribed for life.

[F] "If they [are found] not [to have] merit, they are inscribed for death."

[G] Said R. Abin, "What is the Scriptural [foundation for this]? [Ps. 69:29 states]: 'Let them be blotted out of the book of the living. Let them not be inscribed among the righteous.' 'Let them be blotted out of the book'-this refers to the book of the thoroughly wicked. '[… of the] living'-this refers to the book of the righteous. 'Let them not be inscribed among the righteous'-this refers to the book of middling [people]."-Neusner, J. (2011). The Babylonian Talmud: A Translation and Commentary (Vol. 6b, p. 83). Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers.<

<strong>Our LORD Jesus Christ likened some Pharisee tradition to "treasure":</strong>

<blockquote>Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old." (Matt. 13:52 NKJ)</blockquote>

The existence of another class of people standing before God on Judgment Day completely upends all binary Eschatology.

Three groups exist during Judgment Day when the books of each group are opened (Rev. 20:12): 1) The book of life for those inscribed for eternal life; 2) The book of the middling people whose good works by God's grace permit their names be written in the book of life just as happened to the Sheep at Christ's return; 3) The book of those who practiced wicked works so their names are not written in the book of life (Rev. 20:15).

 

[Consecrated Life]

Jesus said few would be saved of His generation of Jews, but from the rest of the world its implied billions and billions and billons would be saved:

Ascribe whatever multiple of billions you like , Jesus made clear there would be a much greater multiple of billions entering into hell thru the broad gate than there would be entering into eternal life by the narrow gate.

To claim that this is not the final tally would be to call Jesus a liar .




Mat 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there

Mat 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[Alfred Persson]

What part of verse 27 says there will be a second chance? Many will die, Jesus returns on the last day and judgements are then made when the books are opened at what the Bible calls the Great White Throne Judgement. There is no more time being it' the last day, but that of this earth and heaven that will pass away and a new heaven and earth made new again in preparation of God ushering down the new Jerusalem.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Like I said, you ignore what I say. That's not discussion or debate.

"What part of verse 27"?

This part:

The "judgment" (2920 κρίσις krisis) is "the second chance", in Greek krisis is a "trial, contest, selection…opinion or decision given"-Strong's Concordance

 

[Alfred Persson]

Ascribe whatever multiple of billions you like , Jesus made clear there would be a much greater multiple of billions entering into hell thru the broad gate than there would be entering into eternal life by the narrow gate.

To claim that this is not the final tally would be to call Jesus a liar .




Mat 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there

Mat 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Many does not mean "most" or even "the majority", or even "a million".

The gate is wide, most people do go to hell. And many that do are eternally destroyed. About a third of humanity if the analogy to angels holds up.

But billions and billions of people went into hell, and why should Christ treat them any differently than He does the generation of unbelievers when He returns?

Or didn't you think about that? When Christ lands in Jerusalem with His angels, billions of people (unbelivers) will still be alive. Do you think Christ will murder them all?

Or is that why the Millennial kingdom exists, so the generation alive at His coming can learn all there is to know about God for a thousand years, and THEN be judged on Judgment Day. They are the first group judged, before the resurrection of the dead. They are called "dead" because they were not given eternal life if they didn't repent and believe in Jesus. Many didn't as seen by those who followed Gog and Magog attacking the Holy City:

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. (Rev. 20:7-12 NKJ)

[Those alive after Armageddon enter the millennial kingdom, repopulate the earth, but many are not saved if they didn't repent and believe in Jesus. They are spiritually dead even if physically alive.

Only after they are judged, does Death and Hades get emptied out and the Dead in them raised up---after the Millennial people have been judged]

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:11-15 NKJ)

 

[eddif]

"Does the Bible teach there is a second chance in the afterlife to be saved by Jesus?

Some believe we have only one life on earth to make our decision for or against God. Hebrews 9:27 says "it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment." They believe Jesus' parable reveals no second chance for the uncharitable Rich Man in Hell. When he asks Lazarus to warn his family about hell he is told they have sufficient warning in the Bible to take the opportunity to repent and be saved during this life.

However, the very next verse (Hebrews 9:28) says after death and the "judgment" those judged "eagerly wait" for Christ's Second coming, for salvation. Therefore, the "judgment" (2920 κρίσις krisis) is "the second chance", in Greek krisis is a "trial, contest, selection…opinion or decision given"-Strong's Concordance. Clearly, all who repent and believe in Jesus "won" this "contest", because now they "eagerly wait for Him…for salvation":


Jesus taught the same thing. While still in the Grave the Dead will hear Christ's voice, and those who obey "do good" and therefore will rise to the "resurrection of life":


What about Jesus' parable? To begin with, its not a parable, it’s a prophecy Christ would send the risen Lazarus to the mocking Pharisees (Luke 16:14) and they would treat Lazarus (John 12:9-11) just as they treated Moses and the prophets, rejecting their testimony about Christ (Luke 16:29-31). As a "prophecy" it is truth, not "false prophecy."

The context implies a second chance exists for the Rich Man.

1.)Rather than a self-absorbed man who curses both Abraham and God for his plight, the Rich Man shows selfless concern for his family (Luke 16:. 2.) Abraham affectionately calls the Rich Man "son" (Luke 16:25). It is impossible Abraham would speak affectionately if the Rich Man were an irredeemable enemy of God: "Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate you? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you?" (Psalm 139:21). 3.) Abraham and others wanted to comfort the Rich Man, but an impassible chasm prevented them (Luke 16:26). It is impossible the redeemed would rebelliously want to subvert God's punishment of the wicked (Rev. 15:3-4). Therefore, the scene does not depict God's punishment. 5) When the Rich Man cried "I am tormented (3600 ὀδυνάω odunao) in this flame (5395 φλόξ phlox)", his words convey meaning many don't see. The Rich Man is in "sorrow" (cp. Acts 20:38 3600 ὀδυνάω odunao) for his sins, for the first time he is 100% aware how badly he missed the mark of God's perfection. God's inspection, His "eyes like a flame of fire" are bringing every dark secret and sin to the light, all self-delusion is being purged. Just as it is written: The Lord has washed away the filth… and purged the blood of Jerusalem…by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning" (Isa. 4:4 NKJ)

Christ's prophecy to the Pharisees revealed even the children of Abraham(Matthew 3:9-10) like the Rich Man, if they die enemies of the gospel rejecting His authority, they will be chastised in Hades contrary to their belief Abraham would not permit an Israelite enter Hades: “In the world to come Abraham sits at the gate of Gehenna, permitting none to enter who bears the seal of the covenant” (Genesis Rabbah xlviii). Paul touches on this subject declaring "the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable". All Israel will be saved even if they must pass suffer the torments of hell first (Romans 11:26-33; 1 Corinthians 3:11-15).

Those who have not committed eternal sins will be purged of all that subverts their ability to make the free will confession Jesus is the
Christ, the Son of God and have life in His Name (John 20:28-31). All addiction to sin and self-delusion is burned away by the torment (931 βάσανος basano) of God's inspection, revealing the truth of the individual, who he really is. Once liberated and fully able to make a free will choice the gospel of Christ is preached, for belief or non-belief in Christ are the only grounds for judgment (Matthew 21:42; Mark 12:10; John 3:16-18; 5:24; 14:6; 20:31; Acts 4:11-12;1 Peter 2:6-8). Therefore, only after a definite and formal presentment of the Gospel of Christ is made to a soul fully capable of making an informed and free judgment will God judge the conscious and deliberate acceptance or rejection of Christ.

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There was one chance for saints in the grave.

After Jesus preached to those saints in captivity, that opportunity was over and done with. Jesus and the sinner who confessed sins and believed heard the good news. The other one was not offered a chance.

The rich man and Lazarus can not establish an unending doctrine. It also can not establish a doctrine beyond Abraham’s bosom good folks. The rich man was not in Abraham’s bosom.

for_his_glory is right to come against setting up a second chance doctrine. In Ezekiel those who were grieved over over the sins of Israel were given sanctuary.
Every one else in Jerusalem died in their sins.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Consecrated Life]

Ascribe whatever multiple of billions you like , Jesus made clear there would be a much greater multiple of billions entering into hell thru the broad gate than there would be entering into eternal life by the narrow gate.

To claim that this is not the final tally would be to call Jesus a liar .




Mat 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there

Mat 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Many does not mean "most" or even "the majority", or even "a million".

When placed in context to the very next verse making comparison by using the word " Few " in my understanding it clearly means "most", "majority".

I appreciate the discussion Alfred but seeing that we do not even clear the hurdle of agreeing on the meaning/intent of basic phrases juxtaposed each other I don't see the point continuing .
Thank You & God Bless.

 

[citrus]

If your premise covered everyone the logic is impeccable, as Heb. 6:4-6 confirms.

But its not true everyone born in this fallen realm found the love of God, heard about Christ correctly enough to know what He did and is. Moreover, the delusion of evolution has powerfully swayed many to be atheists or seek other gods who don't claim to be the Creator. Also, many poor are driven into crime Cartels just to survive, while they were yet children etc.

And there are those who have heard the gospel, but didn't fully convert. The church is filled with them. I'm not talking about the TARES sown among the wheat, I'm talking about those who just haven't "got there" yet. Some of them are in deep sin. Paul mentions one involved with incest:

NKJ 1 Corinthians 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles-- that a man has his father's wife!
2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1 Cor. 5:1-5 NKJ)

Paul is giving this guy a second chance. After Satan kills him, his "spirit may be saved" if he repents in hell, and when raised up his name will be found in the book of life. That's the Day of the LORD Jesus, Judgment Day.

Peter also said the mockers of Christ and his church would have the gospel preached to them when they were dead,, and they won't be speaking evil of God or Christians in hell, when they are judged for things they did according to the flesh. But when they repent, they can 'live according to God in the spirit."

3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime in doing the will of the Gentiles-- when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries.
4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you.
5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Pet. 4:3-6 NKJ)


Angels study the scripture to learn truth, to learn what God will do in the future. Look at this verse in context:

10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
12 To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven-- things which angels desire to look into. (1 Pet. 1:10-12 NKJ)

Even the prophets didn't fully understand their prophesies, how they would be fulfilled wasn't known until Christ came and did what He did. Also those about the church, NOW God has revealed the fulfillment of these prophecies.

Angels are very interested in God's Plan, how its working out in history, how obscure prophecy is fulfilled in the Church. They love this knowledge. They talk about among themselves, and argue about it also. Sometime the angels don't understand the Messages they bring from God, and argue about its details among themselves, how exactly it might be fulfilled:

1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The message was true, but the appointed time was long; and he understood the message, and had understanding of the vision...

14 "Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come."...

21 "But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.) (Dan. 10:14, 21 NKJ)

Daniel had some understanding of the vision but asked for more, he was troubled by it. An angel was sent to supply that understanding. But as for some of the particulars, as Peter noted the prophets didn't fully know how their prophecies would be fulled, neither do the angels. But they desire to know these things just as we do and they debate them among themselves before they are fulfilled, just as we do.

 

[Alfred Persson]

When placed in context to the very next verse making comparison by using the word " Few " in my understanding it clearly means "most", "majority".

I appreciate the discussion Alfred but seeing that we do not even clear the hurdle of agreeing on the meaning/intent of basic phrases juxtaposed each other I don't see the point continuing .
Thank You & God Bless.

Jesus is the gate. That gate exists in this life, in Hades and the Millennial Kingdom. If you don't walk through it in this life, you will have a second chance to do it in Hell. I believe I proved that by the scripture, well.

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One day you may revisit my blog post, and reconsider. There was a time when I would have opposed the idea of a second chance called it heretical. But having reread the scripture, I now believe the opposite is true. The Catholic idea of salvation, which Protestants retained in many respects, is just wrong. The reformation didn't go far enough, didn't get back to the 1st century ideas about hell. I do in my blog post.

 

[citrus]

Then prove how it distorted. Then I can answer if I agree or not, but to slander a statement as "a lie" ends discussion.

You insert a distinction that is not in the verse. It doesn't say both Christians and nonChristians will hear Christ's voice, it says all the dead hear it, and those "who have done good" will rise to a resurrection of life:

28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (Jn. 5:28-29 NKJ)

The wording parallels what Christ said who hear and obey His voice while alive:

24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
25 "Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. (Jn. 5:24-25 NKJ)

The Greek is precisely the same:

Jesus used the same phrase ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς (hear his voice) in both John 5:24, 28. In John 5:24 context it means obedient hearing. Those who obey His voice shall live.

As John 5:28 shares the context, and the phrase repeats having the same meaning:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς) of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (John 5:24 KJV)


Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which <strong>all that are in the graves shall hear his voice (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς), "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (Jn. 5:28-29 KJV)

Same words, same context = same meaning.

And your interpretation of Revelation is incorrect, there are books opened, and you don't even know what those books are.

The names of the Elect are in the Book of Life (Phil. 4:3; Rev. 13:8; 17:8) but other names cannot be of the "Elect" because those names can be blotted out (Rev. 3:5; Exod. 32:32; Ps. 69:28) or written in (Ps. 69:28; 87:6; Dan. 12:1; Mal. 3:16). That requires other books exist, one for those who will be written in, and another for those blotted out, so they can be properly listed for judgment.

That's the second chance. Their names were written into the book of life while they were in hell, transposed from another book that showed they repented in hell and believed in Jesus.

You didn't know this because you don't know the context of Jewish belief of Christ's day:

[I.15 A] Said R. Kruspedai said R. Yohanan, "Three books are opened [by God] on the New Year: one for the thoroughly wicked, one for the thoroughly righteous, and one for middling [people].

"The thoroughly righteous immediately are inscribed and sealed for [continued] life.

[C] "The thoroughly wicked immediately are inscribed and sealed for death.

[D] "Middling [people] are left hanging from New Year until the Day of Atonement.

[E] "If they [are found to have] merit, they are inscribed for life.

[F] "If they [are found] not [to have] merit, they are inscribed for death."

[G] Said R. Abin, "What is the Scriptural [foundation for this]? [Ps. 69:29 states]: 'Let them be blotted out of the book of the living. Let them not be inscribed among the righteous.' 'Let them be blotted out of the book'-this refers to the book of the thoroughly wicked. '[… of the] living'-this refers to the book of the righteous. 'Let them not be inscribed among the righteous'-this refers to the book of middling [people]."-Neusner, J. (2011). The Babylonian Talmud: A Translation and Commentary (Vol. 6b, p. 83). Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers.<

<strong>Our LORD Jesus Christ likened some Pharisee tradition to "treasure":</strong>

<blockquote>Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old." (Matt. 13:52 NKJ)</blockquote>

The existence of another class of people standing before God on Judgment Day completely upends all binary Eschatology.

Three groups exist during Judgment Day when the books of each group are opened (Rev. 20:12): 1) The book of life for those inscribed for eternal life; 2) The book of the middling people whose good works by God's grace permit their names be written in the book of life just as happened to the Sheep at Christ's return; 3) The book of those who practiced wicked works so their names are not written in the book of life (Rev. 20:15).

The only second chance is those that are not Christian and tribulation as mentioned in revelations and the bible says that most people will not make it through tribulation. If you died today and are not right with God of Christianity than you would not go to heaven and there are no second chances in that.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The only second chance is those that are not Christian and tribulation as mentioned in revelations and the bible says that most people will not make it through tribulation. If you died today and are not right with God of Christianity than you would not go to heaven and there are no second chances in that.

I disagree because John saw a great crowd of slain saints coming out of the tribulation that no one could number:

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"
11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
12 saying: "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 "Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.
16 "They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;
17 "for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes." (Rev. 7:9-8:1 NKJ)

The came "out of the great tribulation", meaning they mostly are martyrs for the faith. But what if someone were slain protecting a Christian. But they themselves were not Christian. Are they to be damned forever?

I think not for it is written:

"For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward. (Mk. 9:41 NKJ)

And our LORD Jesus Christ said this about the sheep who aided His brethren during the Tribulation:

31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 "And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand,`Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 `for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 `I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying,`Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink?
38 `When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
39 `Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
40 "And the King will answer and say to them,`Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' (Matt. 25:31-40 NKJ)

How do we know these sheep aren't Christians? Christians were raptured and came with Christ when He descended from heaven with His holy angels. They are seated there with Christ as He speaks to these sheep. Likely He points to them when He says: "These My brethren"

The Sheep cannot be Christians because this Judgment occurs while they are seated with Christ and His angels, as Kings and Priests. "These my Brethren (Mt. 25:40; Rm. 8:29) were "gathered" (2 Thess. 2:1) from the earth during Christ's coming in glory. They reign with Christ as Kings and Priests (Rev. 1:6; 20:4-6; 1 Thess. 4:14-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-58; Mat. 24:29-31; Rev. 14:14-16). Because they believed in Christ when physically alive, they do not "come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (John 5:24). As Christ's "Brethren" they have authority to judge the unsaved with Christ (Mt. 19:28; 1 Cor. 6:3; Rev. 20:4), the "firstborn among many brethren" (Rm. 8:29).

So God is consistent, impartial and fair. He gives a second chance to everyone who dies IF they have not committed eternal sins. He gives the survivors of Armageddon who attended church but failed to commit to Christ, but who showed they loved Christ by helping persecuted Christians during the tribulation, a second chance when He comes.

Those who aided His Brethren against the Beast, hiding them, feeding them during the Tribulation, they are received into the Kingdom.

Of course, the TARES in the Church, the goats, are cast into eternal flame. That is their judgment Day, when Christ comes. Judgment starts first with the House of God.

Then the rest of humanity, those who didn't know the gospel well enough, or didn't take the make of the beast, get a second chance when they enter the Millennial Kingdom.

Not all pass that trial, just as not all pass the trial after death. Some followed Satan and joined Gog and Magog.

The children of the devil just can't live righteously, they don't want that.

But all who do, not one of them will be lost. If it could happen that a righteous God loving person end up in torments, God never would have created.

He would mourn their loss for all eternity. So He wouldn't have created if He didn't have the perfect plan to save all who love Him:

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. (Rom. 8:28 NKJ)

 

[citrus]

Rev 6:10 is what comes to my quikly to my mind right now and I know there is more. Christians will go in the rapture before tribulation comes. Tribulation is not going to be pretty. I believe there will be a huge revival where many will go to heaven, however, things are going to get worse. The path is narrow like ot says in the bible. Noone wants to be here when all this happens and Christians don't have to worry about it. With the mark of the beast Christians don't have to worry about it because God isn't going to let anyone get the mark of the beast accidentally with out knowing. If a person dies today and is not a Christian then they will not go to heaven. Plenty of verses to wrap that up. The only one in charge of time is God and we don't know the hour or the day. God will show justice. Some say that that won't happen until all have heard the gospel that being a long time for now so we don't have to live a righteous life, but God can make it where everyone hears the gospel at one time, then what? Bible says not to forsake your first love, God. Strattling the fence is like a dog returning to its vomit. If your not a Christian you are under the wrath of God which can only change if you commit to God acknowledging that he is savior alone and he has to be your lord your master so nothing else can master you in order to be spiritualy alive and not dead. That is freedom from sin that cones to kill and destroy. When he comes justice will come. Noone wants to be pregnant and be going through tribulation. I don't mean in the last days when people come to christ. I mean the last day. If your familiar with the bible what I wrote has scriptures in it. I am not totally disagreeing with you.

 

[citrus]

Revelation 9:6-10

Rev 6:10 is what comes to my quikly to my mind right now and I know there is more. Christians will go in the rapture before tribulation comes. Tribulation is not going to be pretty. I believe there will be a huge revival where many will go to heaven, however, things are going to get worse. The path is narrow like ot says in the bible. Noone wants to be here when all this happens and Christians don't have to worry about it. With the mark of the beast Christians don't have to worry about it because God isn't going to let anyone get the mark of the beast accidentally with out knowing. If a person dies today and is not a Christian then they will not go to heaven. Plenty of verses to wrap that up. The only one in charge of time is God and we don't know the hour or the day. God will show justice. Some say that that won't happen until all have heard the gospel that being a long time for now so we don't have to live a righteous life, but God can make it where everyone hears the gospel at one time, then what? Bible says not to forsake your first love, God. Strattling the fence is like a dog returning to its vomit. If your not a Christian you are under the wrath of God which can only change if you commit to God acknowledging that he is savior alone and he has to be your lord your master so nothing else can master you in order to be spiritualy alive and not dead. That is freedom from sin that cones to kill and destroy. When he comes justice will come. Noone wants to be pregnant and be going through tribulation. I don't mean in the last days when people come to christ. I mean the last day. If your familiar with the bible what I wrote has scriptures in it. I am not totally disagreeing with you.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Rev 6:10 is what comes to my quikly to my mind right now and I know there is more. Christians will go in the rapture before tribulation comes. Tribulation is not going to be pretty. I believe there will be a huge revival where many will go to heaven, however, things are going to get worse. The path is narrow like ot says in the bible. Noone wants to be here when all this happens and Christians don't have to worry about it. With the mark of the beast Christians don't have to worry about it because God isn't going to let anyone get the mark of the beast accidentally with out knowing. If a person dies today and is not a Christian then they will not go to heaven. Plenty of verses to wrap that up. The only one in charge of time is God and we don't know the hour or the day. God will show justice. Some say that that won't happen until all have heard the gospel that being a long time for now so we don't have to live a righteous life, but God can make it where everyone hears the gospel at one time, then what? Bible says not to forsake your first love, God. Strattling the fence is like a dog returning to its vomit. If your not a Christian you are under the wrath of God which can only change if you commit to God acknowledging that he is savior alone and he has to be your lord your master so nothing else can master you in order to be spiritualy alive and not dead. That is freedom from sin that cones to kill and destroy. When he comes justice will come. Noone wants to be pregnant and be going through tribulation. I don't mean in the last days when people come to christ. I mean the last day. If your familiar with the bible what I wrote has scriptures in it. I am not totally disagreeing with you.

Pre-tribulation rapture is popular, but I don't believe its taught in scripture. This scripture warns all, including the saints, not to take the mark. It pronounces blessed are those who do not, even if they are martyred. And if they survive the Tribulation they will be raptured:

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 "he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write:`Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."

14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. (Rev. 14:9-16 NKJ)

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[citrus]

I don't believe God tortures Christians during tribulation. I believe in the rapture that God is coming back for his people and we will go to battle a battle in which we already win.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I don't believe God tortures Christians during tribulation. I believe in the rapture that God is coming back for his people and we will go to battle a battle in which we already win.

God doesn't, Satan and humans do.

"Remember the word that I said to you, `A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. (Jn. 15:20 NKJ)

16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
17 "But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues.
18 "You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.
19 "But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak;
20 "for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
21 "Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death.
22 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
(Matt. 10:16-22 NKJ)

 

[Alfred Persson]

Many Old Testament Scriptures speak of redemption from hell:

Limiting repentance and forgiveness of sin to the living contradicts God's testimony about Himself who says "I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies" (Ezek. 18:32). The proposition God ignores true repentance is without scriptural support:

27 So it was, when Ahab heard those words, that he tore his clothes and put sackcloth on his body, and fasted and lay in sackcloth, and went about mourning.
28 And the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying,
29 "See how Ahab has humbled himself before Me? Because he has humbled himself before Me, I will not bring the calamity in his days. In the days of his son I will bring the calamity on his house." (1 Ki. 21:27-29 NKJ)
6 Then word came to the king of Nineveh; and he arose from his throne and laid aside his robe, covered himself with sackcloth and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published throughout Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; do not let them eat, or drink water.
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily to God; yes, let every one turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and relent, and turn away from His fierce anger, so that we may not perish?
10 Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it. (Jon. 3:6-10 NKJ)

Therefore, it is implicit in every Old Testament text which speaks of prayers for forgiveness of sin and God's redeeming souls from hell supports the conclusion God grants a second chance for life in Hell.

"For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies," says the Lord GOD. "Therefore turn and live!" (Ezek. 18:32 NKJ)

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39 `Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. (Deut. 32:39 NKJ)

God kills but also makes alive, He wounds but also heals. That God smites in punishment but mercifully heals is a common theme (Hos. 6:1; Isa. 30:26; 57:17, 18; Jer. 17:14).

"The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to the grave and brings up. (1 Sam. 2:6 NKJ)

God makes alive those He killed, brings up from the grave those He put there. That is a second chance.

5 `When the waves of death surrounded me, The floods of ungodliness made me afraid.
6 The sorrows of Sheol surrounded me; The snares of death confronted me.
7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, And cried out to my God; He heard my voice from His temple, And my cry entered His ears.
…
17 "He sent from above, He took me, He drew me out of many waters.
18 He delivered me from my strong enemy, From those who hated me; For they were too strong for me.
19 They confronted me in the day of my calamity, But the LORD was my support.
20 He also brought me out into a broad place; He delivered me because He delighted in me. (2 Sam. 22:5-20 NKJ)

The prophet David could not analogize his troubles to God's salvation from Sheol if he didn't believe it exists.
Even from His Temple far away God hears the plea of those suffering the sorrows of Hell (Sheol), and rescues them from the snares of Death.

10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
11 You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore. (Ps. 16:10-11 NKJ)

The prophet David speaking by Holy Spirit (Acts 2:30-31) of the Christ professed his belief God would not leave his soul in hell, but would show him the "path of life" and raise him from the dead. Essentially, a second chance for life.

2 O LORD my God, I cried out to You, And You healed me.
3 O LORD, You brought my soul up from the grave; You have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.
4 Sing praise to the LORD, You saints of His, And give thanks at the remembrance of His holy name.
5 For His anger is but for a moment, His favor is for life; Weeping may endure for a night, But joy comes in the morning.
6 Now in my prosperity I said, "I shall never be moved."
7 LORD, by Your favor You have made my mountain stand strong; You hid Your face, and I was troubled.
8 I cried out to You, O LORD; And to the LORD I made supplication:
9 "What profit is there in my blood, When I go down to the pit? Will the dust praise You? Will it declare Your truth?
10 Hear, O LORD, and have mercy on me; LORD, be my helper!"
11 You have turned for me my mourning into dancing; You have put off my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness,
12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to You and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks to You forever. (Ps. 30:2-12 NKJ)

Being healed and saved from death is analogized as being brought up from hell proving David believed God rescues from hell, or the analogy would be absurd. A rescue from hell after praising God is not materially different than a second chance.

1 I waited patiently for the LORD; And He inclined to me, And heard my cry.
2 He also brought me up out of a horrible pit, Out of the miry clay, And set my feet upon a rock, And established my steps.
3 He has put a new song in my mouth-- Praise to our God; Many will see it and fear, And will trust in the LORD. (Ps. 40:1-3 NKJ)

God hears David's prayer from hell and he is raised from death, sing a new song of life. That's a second chance.

15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah (Ps. 49:15 NKJ)

Redemption from death is a second chance.

For You have delivered my soul from death. Have You not kept my feet from falling, That I may walk before God In the light of the living? (Ps. 56:13 NKJ)

Precisely the same process exists in a "second chance".

You have ascended on high, You have led captivity captive; You have received gifts among men, Even from the rebellious, That the LORD God might dwell there. (Ps. 68:18 NKJ)

Leading repentant captives of death to heaven that the LORD might dwell among them is a second chance. Compare 1 Peter 3:18-22; Eph. 1:20-23; 4:8-10.

13 But as for me, my prayer is to You, O LORD, in the acceptable time; O God, in the multitude of Your mercy, Hear me in the truth of Your salvation.
14 Deliver me out of the mire, And let me not sink; Let me be delivered from those who hate me, And out of the deep waters.
15 Let not the floodwater overflow me, Nor let the deep swallow me up; And let not the pit shut its mouth on me.
16 Hear me, O LORD, for Your lovingkindness is good; Turn to me according to the multitude of Your tender mercies.
17 And do not hide Your face from Your servant, For I am in trouble; Hear me speedily.
18 Draw near to my soul, and redeem it; Deliver me because of my enemies. (Ps. 69:13-18 NKJ)

Being delivered from hell after repentance is a second chance.

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