Eternal security or conditional security?

[FreeGrace]

And we know from Revelation that those who don't overcome and reign with Christ will be cast into the lake of fire:

5‘He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels." (Revelation 3:5 NASB)

"11‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’" (Revelation 2:11 NASB)

He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says.

Then Paul must have lied to the jailer in his answer of what he MUST DO to be saved. Paul told him to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".

Why didn't Paul tell him about having to overcome if one must overcome in order to avoid the lake of fire?

LOS doctrine has many holes in it, none of which anyone is able to plug up. If LOS doctrine were a ship, it would have sunk to the bottom of the ocean.

 

[FreeGrace]

And discernment will not violate context.
All you have to do is see that 'salvation' in 1 Corinthians 15 is in the context of eternal salvation.

Quit moving the goal posts. Your argument was about Matt 24, not 1 Cor 15.

And discernment understands context.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

And, the phrase "WILL NEVER PERISH" means eternal security. Those who have believed WILL NEVER PERISH, because they have eternal life.

...as long as they continue to believe and endure to the end.
Non-OSAS doesn't violate other passages of scripture. OSAS does.

The power of God in being eternally secure is given through your faith. No faith means no power of God for salvation:

"4to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (1 Peter 1:4-5 NASB italics in original, bold mine)

But OSAS says I'm still protected by the power of God for a salvation to come without faith.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Then Paul must have lied to the jailer in his answer of what he MUST DO to be saved. Paul told him to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".

Why didn't Paul tell him about having to overcome if one must overcome in order to avoid the lake of fire?

Believing IS overcoming.
Faith is the victory. (1 John 5 somewhere)

Your behavior--your overcoming--is ultimately the evidence of your believing. When someone stops overcoming, they stop obeying.

 

[JLB]

Do you default to eternal soul salvation every time you encounter the word "save" in Scripture? Why would anyone do that?

Acts 27:20 - When neither sun nor stars appeared for many days and the storm continued raging, we finally gave up all hope of being saved.
Acts 27:31 - Then Paul said to the centurion and the soldiers, “Unless these men stay with the ship, you cannot be saved.”
James 5:16 - And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

There are many more examples of the use of "save" that do NOT apply to eternal soul salvation.

We have the context of the subject matter.

Enduring in the faith under persecution and death, without turning away from Him, during the great tribulation is the context.

As He said to the persecuted Church in Smyrna - Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.


10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. Revelation 6:10-11

and again

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” Revelation 7:13-17

and again

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:9-12


The context of Matthew 24:13

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24;9-21


This is what Jesus taught us from the parable of the Sower.

Those who believe for a while then depart from and fall away Him because of persecution [death by martyrdom] to save their earthly lives, are no longer believers.

But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
Matthew 13:20-21

12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13


The context is clear, those who choose to "recant", or "renounce" or "depart from" or "turn away" from Christ during persecution, are no longer believers.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus also plainly taught that those to whom He gives eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH, in Jn 10:28. Which agrees with Paul's teaching that God's gifts are irrevocable, and Paul himself described eternal life as a gift of God.

26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:26-28

The Apostles remained faithful to Him unto death, though they were martyred they believed unto the end.

Believers are given eternal life.

Those who believe for a while are given eternal life for a while... because eternal life is knowing Him.

Those who know Him have eternal life.

Those who know Him for a while have eternal life for a while.

3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3


Are you attempting to teach this community that one can have eternal life apart from Christ?

This is the fundamental flaw of your OSAS doctrine, as it tries to teach that those who have Christ for a while then no longer have Him, are still saved.

The way we partake of Him is to believe, therefore we must have Him and continue to have Him to the end, in order to receive the salvation of our souls at the end of our faith.

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:12-14

11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.


He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12

Those who have the Son for a while, then no longer have then Son, have life for a while, then no longer have life.


In Him = Eternal Life

Removed from Him = no Eternal Life


If you have a scripture that teaches us we can be removed from Christ and still have eternal life, then please post it.


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

It is good to have zeal, but you must be born again.(John 3:5) You may be convicted in your soul, but without rebirth, your zeal is of the flesh, Without the supernatural guidance and work of the Holy Spirit, you are only satisfying your spirit. The Holy Ghost does not give you power to do what you want to do, but the Holy Ghost does the work through you.(Corinthians chapter 12) In true service of the Lord, He feels the pain and persecution of His saints.(Acts 9:3-5) It is only the Holy Spirit that gives us gifts, and there is no born again believer that does not have a gift.
The United States has reached an immoral and EVIL state beyond anything I have ever seen. The enemies of God can argue and lie all they want...but they are liars when they say the United States was not created on Biblical principles. I grew up feeling that God looked over us with ministers of God, even in high places. Now I feel no Spiritual cover over us any more, and believers are a small minority. This is where the warfare is, and the results of the lack of our warfare has let the enemy to become the majority, especially in high places. I'm not your enemy, the enemy is taking over this country and the churches with no resistance. But with out Spiritual rebirth, man is preaching for favor and acceptance and self satisfaction instead of out of necessity.

What makes you think I am not Spiritually born again. Just because we do not agree with each other has no baring on the love we need to have for each other for this is the greatest commandment of God. Each one of us are on different levels of learning by how we allow ourselves to be taught. Only God will reveal what He wants us to learn through His Holy Spirit and teach others. Whether you believe what I teach or not makes no difference to me for when God tells me to release that what I have learned then I obey His command.

 

[for_his_glory]

If we can not lose our salvation/faith/belief then why did Jesus give us this warning. Would His words be in vain...............God forbid.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

 

[FreeGrace]

What i 'hear' you say is you could spit in the face of Christ and not fear loosing your salvation..

Just one more question: is your LOS doctrine based clearly on Scripture or based on more of a visceral reaction to certain actions or sins of others?

I ask, because it is common for those who hold to LOS doctrine to come up with what seems to be the most abhorrent thing or sin they can think of, as if God's grace will stop short of such things or sins.

Since James, the Lord's brother, said that "God gives greater grace" in 4:6, I take that as God's grace is more than sufficient for us. We are saved by grace, we all agree. Why can't we agree that we're kept by that same grace?

 

[FreeGrace]

...as long as they continue to believe and endure to the end.

There is NOT ANY verse that says that one must continue to believe in order to be saved. The aorist tense continues to refute that view. We are saved by a point in time faith. Not a continuing faith.

But...the Bible does command and encourage all who have believed to "continue in the faith" for sure. But not because of any warning against loss of salvation.

Non-OSAS doesn't violate other passages of scripture. OSAS does.

That would be your opinion. The OP clearly refutes the LOS doctrine. And the OP verses plainly guarantee salvation, unlike the LOS doctrine claiming loss of salvation.

The power of God in being eternally secure is given through your faith.[/QUOT]
And, God's gifts are irrevocable. No one has yet shown that Paul excluded the gift of eternal life from the gifts that are irrevocable. One MUST show that if it were true.

No faith means no power of God for salvation

1 Pet 1:4,5 doesn't support this claim.
What the verses teach is that one's INHERITANCE, is obtained and protect4ed by the power of God through faith. Why would anyone switch "inheritance" for salvation? Peter didn't say our salvation is obtained and protected through faith, as it appears you believe.

This passage actually addresses BOTH an inheritance AND salvation, showing that they are different.

"4to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (1 Peter 1:4-5 NASB italics in original, bold mine)

But OSAS says I'm still protected by the power of God for a salvation to come without faith.

It says nothing of the sort. But some just like to make things up and put words into the mouths of others.

LOS doctrine just won't come to terms with Jesus' promise in Jn 10:28 that those He gives eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH. That is a promise of eternal security. The only condition for receiving eternal life is faith in Christ, and there are enough verses that use the aorist tense to refute the LOS doctrine demand for a continuing faith in order to be continually saved.

Nor will LOS doctrine come to terms with the fact that God's gifts are irrevocable, all of them. If ANY of God's gifts ARE revocable, which gifts have been said to be revocable?

LOS doctrine claims that eternal life is revocable, yet without any evidence. Only assumption and speculation.

Paul sure didn't indicate that any of God's gifts were irrevocable. In fact, from Rom 11:29, we can conclude that ALL of His gifts are irrevocable. LOS doctrine CANNOT prove otherwise.

 

[FreeGrace]

Believing IS overcoming.
Faith is the victory. (1 John 5 somewhere)

Your behavior--your overcoming--is ultimately the evidence of your believing. When someone stops overcoming, they stop obeying.

Words have meaning within context. And John used the word "overcome" in 2 different contexts.

The verse that you can't find is 1 Jn 5:4 - For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Do you think this verse is teaching that our action of believing in Christ is what overcomes the world? That would be a huge mistake, because our action of believing has NO POWER. ALL power comes from the object of our action of believing; the Lord Jesus Christ. It is He who has literally overcome the world. And that is what the Bible teaches; hence John's use of the word "our faith".

He is NOT talking about our action of believing. He IS talking about WHAT we believe. The phrase "our faith" means the Christian faith, which is spelled out in the Bible.

The word 'faith' in 1 Jn 5:4 is a NOUN, not a verb, as you're misusing it.

It is the NOUN that overcomes the world, not our verb action of believing.

So you need to repent (change your mind) about how you misunderstood 1 Jn 5:4 and accept what it actually teaches.

In Revelation, the context is very clear; only those saved people who have done certain things will overcome and be rewarded for it.

 

[FreeGrace]

We have the context of the subject matter.

Enduring in the faith under persecution and death, without turning away from Him, during the great tribulation is the context.

As He said to the persecuted Church in Smyrna - Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.


10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. Revelation 6:10-11

and again

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” Revelation 7:13-17

and again

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:9-12


The context of Matthew 24:13

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24;9-21


This is what Jesus taught us from the parable of the Sower.

Those who believe for a while then depart from and fall away Him because of persecution [death by martyrdom] to save their earthly lives, are no longer believers.

But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
Matthew 13:20-21

12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13


The context is clear, those who choose to "recant", or "renounce" or "depart from" or "turn away" from Christ during persecution, are no longer believers.


JLB

I've already explained all this.

 

[JLB]

I've already explained all this.

You have explained your opinion.

The truth in found in what the scriptures says, the context is clear.

Those who endure to the end will be saved.


JLB

 

[JLB]

In Revelation, the context is very clear; only those saved people who have done certain things will overcome and be rewarded for it.

In Revelation the context is clear, only those who overcome are saved.

Those who are overcomers believe...

Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:5

Those who believe for a while, overcome for a while...

JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

I said this:
"Jesus also plainly taught that those to whom He gives eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH, in Jn 10:28. Which agrees with Paul's teaching that God's gifts are irrevocable, and Paul himself described eternal life as a gift of God."

26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:26-28

The Apostles remained faithful to Him unto death, though they were martyred they believed unto the end.

Believers are given eternal life.

I still have no idea why anyone would think "My sheep" would refer only to Jesus' inner circle of disicples. The context for "sheep" begins back in 10:7-9;
7 So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 “All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 “I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

So, when Jesus says "My sheep", He is referring to those who "entered the door" through Him.

Those who believe for a while are given eternal life for a while... because eternal life is knowing Him.

This is only an assumption, without any merit of evidence from Scripture. I don't deal with assumptions. Just what the Scriptures plainly say.

Those who know Him have eternal life.

Which is a gift of God, Rom 6:23. And God's gifts are irrevocable, Rom 11:29. Please show me ANY verse that teaches that there are some gifts of God that are revocable.

Those who know Him for a while have eternal life for a while.

More assumption, which I do not deal in.

3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3

Where does this verse indicate that one might have eternal life ONLY for a while???

One HAS to assume such an idea. It isn't in the text, there or anywhere else.

Are you attempting to teach this community that one can have eternal life apart from Christ?

Nope. But it seems you are attempting to teach this community that one who has been sealed with the Holy Spirit of PROMISE can be UN-sealed before the day of redemption. That is unbiblical as Eph 1:13,14, 4:30 say otherwise. We are sealed for the day of redemption. So, what does Eph 4:30 say to you?

This is the fundamental flaw of your OSAS doctrine, as it tries to teach that those who have Christ for a while then no longer have Him, are still saved.

Totally WRONG. Once sealed with the Holy Spirit, meaning we have been placed IN Him, we cannot be UNsealed for any reason. No one has proven otherwise.

The way we partake of Him is to believe, therefore we must have Him and continue to have Him to the end, in order to receive the salvation of our souls at the end of our faith.

Your claim is in error because the Bible never uses "partake" as another way to describe believing in Him. The word means "partnership", which is another way to speak of fellowship, a concept totally lacking from LOS doctrine.

He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12

Those who have the Son for a while, then no longer have then Son, have life for a while, then no longer have life.

Just more assumption. Which I do not deal in.

In Him = Eternal Life

Removed from Him = no Eternal Life

You need to prove that the sealing with the Holy Spirit can be broken before the day of redemption. Mere assumption won't cut it with me.

If you have a scripture that teaches us we can be removed from Christ and still have eternal life, then please post it.
JLB

Of course there aren't any such verses, because one CANNOT be removed from Christ. They have been sealed with the Holy Spirit, which is a PROMISE FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION.

It's all about eternal security.

 

[FreeGrace]

You have explained your opinion.

And you have explained yours. But I've backed my view with verses that actually say what I believe and claim.

The truth in found in what the scriptures says, the context is clear.

I agree fully with this. Which is what I've been saying all along.

Those who endure to the end will be saved.
JLB

Yep. But our understandings of the context and what being saved FROM are quite different.

 

[chessman]

Your behavior--your overcoming--is ultimately the evidence of your believing.

So, behave like a true believer and you're ultimately saved?

You might notice that Paul didn't base his test of whether someone was saved or not in 1 Cor 15:1-2 (your so called plain anti-OSAS Text) on whether their behavior was firm. He based it on whether their past AND present belief was firm.

IF you hold firmly (present tense) to the word which I preached (past tense) to you
THEN By this faith you are saved (present tense) reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose
ELSE -unless you believed (past tense) in vain just superficially and without complete commitment

notice he didn't say 'by this behavior you are saved'

...
But OSAS says I'm still protected by the power of God for a salvation to come without faith.

No it doesn't. It stands for Once Saved Always Saved. You are the one that keeps saying OSAS claims you are saved without faith. I'm OSAS and I've never said that I'm still protected without faith.

2 Peter 1:1-4 (LEB) Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ​

Maybe he just forgot to mention that we obtained a faith equal in value to his 'by our behavior'? I could have swore I just read it was by the righteousness of our God and Savior (not our behavior).

3 because his divine power has bestowed on us all things that are necessary for life and godliness, through the knowledge of the one who called us by his own glory and excellence of character,​

Oh my. what's that? His divine power bestowed on us (versus our behavior bestowed toward Him) and His excellence of character (not our excellent character)??? All things that are necessary (versus some necessary behaviors needed to maintain our salvation???

4 through which things he has bestowed on us his precious and very great promises​

There's those great, divine, powerful, all inclusive, irrevocable promises again.

You've got to be kidding with this "your behavior is ultimately the evidence" thingy. Ultimately, It's Christ's behavior that we stand upon, not ours. Even Peter didn't stand on his personal behavior. Else, we're all in trouble. Even Moses.

 

[FreeGrace]

In Revelation the context is clear, only those who overcome are saved.

Those who are overcomers believe...

Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:5

Those who believe for a while, overcome for a while...
JLB

Why do you persist in assumption? I find no reason for it.

Nowhere in Scripture is believing in Christ said to be "overcoming".

And nowhere in Scripture is taught that believing for a while results in being saved for a while.

LOS doctrine is full of assumption.

 

[JLB]

There is NOT ANY verse that says that one must continue to believe in order to be saved. The aorist tense continues to refute that view. We are saved by a point in time faith. Not a continuing faith.

Those believe [past tense] are saved by faith, past tense.

Those who depart from the faith by which they were saved, depart from the very salvation which their faith obtained for them.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:14

Those who have Christ, have salvation. Those who do not have Christ, do not have salvation.


12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:12-13


JLB

 

[JLB]

Nowhere in Scripture is believing in Christ said to be "overcoming".

Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:5