Eternal Security

[Douglas Summers]

When God gave clear instructions to Adam and Eve about the Garden of Eden, Satan beguiled Eve by putting doubt about God's word and instructions in her mind. Satan did not make them disobey God's word, but instead, made God out as a tyrant, causing man to feel he could interpret God's word as they decided because God did not speak plainly. Ever since God has had a PEOPLE OF HIS OWN, they have been sorely troubled by the presence among them who PROFESSED TO Be, but WERE NOT of them.

Starting under the very GATE of EDEN, this state of things will continue until "the Son of man will send forth His angles, and they shall gather OUT of His Kingdom of them that offend and them that do iniquity ........Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father." (Matt. 13: 41-43)

Those who teach against the promise of eternal security, and any other Doctrine of Christ are noticeable by their: absence of Grace; their condescending attitude toward the born again believer; the absence of fellowship with born again believers, their flattery to those who are weak and taken in by their Heretical teachings; Their anger and insults on you when they are confronted with the proof of Scripture, Do not believe in being born again by the Holy Spirit, with out water baptism, you can not be saved, and believing in denominational doctrines over Spiritual wisdom of Christ. Who is the born again believers wisdom.

The Christ lost none of those that God gives Him and keeps them safe. (John 17: 11-19). And this was not a claim for just the Disciples, It is for all who believe. (Matt. 17: 20-26) If we can not believe God at His Holy Word, then we are without hope and left to the doctrines of men. Christ said, "no one can take you out of my hand," Why? Because we hear His voice....Not all who sit in the pews hear His voice! (John 10: 27-38). Have you ever noticed how the visible church is quick to pick teachers out of the assembly to fill a spot without checking what they believe? These teachers picked to teach can teach what ever they believe...and do. it is usually the teacher that by calling that is rejected for teaching, because the truth goes against the grain of the social gospel... or teachings of men. I know this to be a fact.

The born again believer has no fear of death, because of Christ in him, The guarantee of the purchased possession. If you have been born again, your salvation is secure, and you shall never see death. (John 11: 14-27) If a man can remove Himself from the Hands of The Savior...then he has never known Him and His word is not in him, Therefore that man teaches the doctrine of his own understanding....void of Christ. FAITH ALONE confers our standing in God's sight, the most fallible and infirm man on earth, if he is a born again believer, has the same standing before God as the most illustrious saint. All born again believers are saints (all). Saints are not inferred by any man. Saint actually means sanctified. All born again believers are sanctified. Many people who claim they are Christians, are not Christian! Too many are nominal Christians. The visible Church is a mixed multitude of tares and wheat. But God knows those who are His.

 

[for_his_glory]

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The biggest deception Satan can use is to confuse the unlearned mind. God said his people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. You forget me and my word and I will forget you and your children. This is a pretty profound statement that holds so much truth. This is why this world is in the shape it is in today with so many religions claiming they are the true religion and only they will go to heaven and those who do not conform to their ways will go to hell.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:7 as they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
Hosea 4:8 they eat up the sin of my people and they set their heart on their iniquity.
Hosea 4:9 and there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings.

Truth has now turned to deception of the carnal minds ways of thinking which produces mans interpretations, traditions of law and doctrine. Satan has such a foothold on religions and has side blinded all of us into believing whatever is taught behind the pulpit is truth because after all, they are the Priest, Rabbis, Pastors, etc. etc. and they should know what they are talking about because they are our teachers. Satan is pretty clever and the master of lies and deceit.

1Peter 5:8 be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil is seeking to whom he may devour.
1Peter 5:9 Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
1Peter 5:10 but the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle you.

 

[Malachi]

The visible Church is a mixed multitude of tares and wheat.

Or sheep and goats. The sheep are eternally secure (John 10:27-30), while the goats have the label but not the inner reality.

 

[Douglas Summers]

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The biggest deception Satan can use is to confuse the unlearned mind. God said his people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. You forget me and my word and I will forget you and your children. This is a pretty profound statement that holds so much truth. This is why this world is in the shape it is in today with so many religions claiming they are the true religion and only they will go to heaven and those who do not conform to their ways will go to hell.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:7 as they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
Hosea 4:8 they eat up the sin of my people and they set their heart on their iniquity.
Hosea 4:9 and there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings.

Truth has now turned to deception of the carnal minds ways of thinking which produces mans interpretations, traditions of law and doctrine. Satan has such a foothold on religions and has side blinded all of us into believing whatever is taught behind the pulpit is truth because after all, they are the Priest, Rabbis, Pastors, etc. etc. and they should know what they are talking about because they are our teachers. Satan is pretty clever and the master of lies and deceit.

1Peter 5:8 be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil is seeking to whom he may devour.
1Peter 5:9 Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
1Peter 5:10 but the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle you.

Good Post glory.

 

[for_his_glory]

Or sheep and goats. The sheep are eternally secure (John 10:27-30), while the goats have the label but not the inner reality.

Little lost here. Can you explain what you mean by the goats have the label but not the inner reality?

 

[Douglas Summers]

Or sheep and goats. The sheep are eternally secure (John 10:27-30), while the goats have the label but not the inner reality.

Men who study the Scriptures need an interpreter Malachi, The Holy Spirit, and is available to all who believe.

 

[gr8grace3]

Or sheep and goats. The sheep are eternally secure (John 10:27-30), while the goats have the label but not the inner reality.

None of us know who truly made a decision for Christ. The vast majority of believers go the way of religion and get lost in their personal work and quench the Spirit from HIS work. And most will teach loss of salvation. But they are still sheep.

They just might not reign with Christ and have few rewards in the eternal state.

2 Tim 2~~
11It is a trustworthy statement:
For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;

12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Little lost here. Can you explain what you mean by the goats have the label but not the inner reality?

They are religious on the outside, but on the inside they are rotting corpses.or open graves. (Matt. 23: 27-28)

 

[Malachi]

Little lost here. Can you explain what you mean by the goats have the label but not the inner reality?

Sadly there are millions today who bear the label of "Christian" but they are not truly born again. Those who have been born again are the sheep, who know the Shepherd experientially, and are known of Him. He holds them in His hands, and nothing can separate them from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:39). The inner reality is the indwelling Holy Spirit, who bears witness with our spirits that we are sons (children) of God.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Is that like Calvinists who speak of the "invisible church" that consists of The Elect?

 

[WIP]

Sadly there are millions today who bear the label of "Christian" but they are not truly born again. Those who have been born again are the sheep, who know the Shepherd experientially, and are known of Him. He holds them in His hands, and nothing can separate them from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:39). The inner reality is the indwelling Holy Spirit, who bears witness with our spirits that we are sons (children) of God.

I wonder how many believe they are born again but sadly are not and so they go about their lives, running to and fro, carefree, and living with a false sense of security because someone told them that if they utter certain words they are saved forever.

 

[Douglas Summers]

I wonder how many believe they are born again but sadly are not and so they go about their lives, running to and fro, carefree, and living with a false sense of security because someone told them that if they utter certain words they are saved forever.

More than we would like to believe. But a born again believer can tell the difference. One who reads the Bible as a script in a play and act out the parts have certain characteristics: They are high minded, boastful, proud, self worthiness, his superior demeanor is like a man in a new car that passes you, going down a hill, while you are walking to show off his wealth, not knowing there are no breaks on the car! They take belonging to a church or joining a church as an elitist club that take pity that others are not as safe as they are, with an attitude of, I feel sorry for them. They see no need of any chastisement and brag about how wealthy they are and successful they are in business as , car salesmen, Insurance Salesmen, Bankers, Tax collectors, etc. And they give all the credit of their wealth to being Christians as a reward from God., while all the time they LIE, CHEAT, MISLEAD, STEAL, for their own self interest and accumulation of wealth.

I have talked to some of them about their business practices and it is usually the same answer, "that is just the way the business works, we are only doing what is common practice!" The Church of Laodecia ( Rev. 3: 14-19) Christ is left outside of the Church knocking on the door. Not asking them to come out, but asking if HE can come in. (Rev. 3: 20-22)

The Born again believer is humbled by the Love of His Creators Mercy and Grace. Pride has been removed, Joy has taken it's place.

 

[Malachi]

Is that like Calvinists who speak of the "invisible church" that consists of The Elect?

Setting aside the Calvinist idea of "The Elect" (which is a different topic), the Church (all redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body regardless of affiliation) is indeed "invisible" because the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit is invisible to man and only visible to God (John 3:8): The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

What Jesus was telling Nicodemus is that just as the wind is invisible, the inner working of the Holy Spirit in regeneration is invisible. Hence the true Church is invisible. Outward Christianity (Christendom) therefore has wheat and tares, and only God knows exactly who is what. At the same time, "by their fruits ye shall know them" is applicable, as to Christians seeing outwardly whether there are genuine spiritual fruits in the lives of those who claim to be born again. But we should always remember that only God knows the true heart condition.

As in another thread regarding Simon the Sorcerer (Simon Magus), he made an outward profession of believing and was even baptized. But it is evident from the words of Simon Peter to him that he had never truly repented.

 

[for_his_glory]

They are religious on the outside, but on the inside they are rotting corpses.or open graves. (Matt. 23: 27-28)

Thank you Douglas as that was what I was thinking, but needed it clarified.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sadly there are millions today who bear the label of "Christian" but they are not truly born again. Those who have been born again are the sheep, who know the Shepherd experientially, and are known of Him. He holds them in His hands, and nothing can separate them from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:39). The inner reality is the indwelling Holy Spirit, who bears witness with our spirits that we are sons (children) of God.

Thank you

 

[for_his_glory]

I wonder how many believe they are born again but sadly are not and so they go about their lives, running to and fro, carefree, and living with a false sense of security because someone told them that if they utter certain words they are saved forever.

The preferable sinners prayer..........yikes!!! That's like reading the Bible, but having no understanding of what you just read.

 

[FreeGrace]

None of us know who truly made a decision for Christ. The vast majority of believers go the way of religion and get lost in their personal work and quench the Spirit from HIS work. And most will teach loss of salvation. But they are still sheep.

They just might not reign with Christ and have few rewards in the eternal state.

2 Tim 2~~
11It is a trustworthy statement:
For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;

12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

I approve this message.

 

[FreeGrace]

I wonder how many believe they are born again but sadly are not and so they go about their lives, running to and fro, carefree, and living with a false sense of security because someone told them that if they utter certain words they are saved forever.

That person has lied, then. No where in Scripture is one saved by "uttering any certain words".

The only thing the Bible teaches is to place your trust in Christ for salvation.

Just like trusting your physical life to any bridge that you may drive over. If you don't trust the bridge, you'd not drive over it.

Driving over the bridge isn't saving faith, for if one doesn't not trust the bridge, he will not drive over it.

Driving over the bridge demonstrates one's faith in the bridge.

 

[Douglas Summers]

None of us know who truly made a decision for Christ. The vast majority of believers go the way of religion and get lost in their personal work and quench the Spirit from HIS work. And most will teach loss of salvation. But they are still sheep.

They just might not reign with Christ and have few rewards in the eternal state.

"My sheep hear my voice", I know them and they follow me,, And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither can anyone pluck them out of my hands (John 10: 28-29) Sheep are sweet and innocent without a violent nature. The Shepherd looks after His Sheep, and if even one is lost, he will go and find it and bring it back into the fold. His sheep follow Him, for they know his voice. If the Shepherd gives His Sheep eternal life, and they know His voice, There would be no question that they did not believe Him. The Church is an equal brotherhood and we will all rule with Christ. Some with more and some with less responsibility according to the talents given them.
No sheep of the Lord's flock would teach or preach any other doctrines. Nothing the Lord teaches us or gives us is left up to man's self will. A born again Christian can be in error, but the Spirit will not call him to teach in error. Preaching , teaching and Pastoring is a calling and gifts of the Holy Spirit. Quenching the Holy Spirit is to hinder it by not allowing it to use you when you know it is wanting to. Those teaching other doctrines are not Sheep. They are self willed worshipers, for they do not hear the Masters voice, nor do they know Him.

 

[Roro1972]

Rom 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Acts 6:31
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
If I have understood what I read these two verses wont help some one be saved.
What then would one add to this or do different to get saved?