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AirDancer said:
Christians won't really be terrorists....they'll merely be presented in that way in order to discredit them. Many (hopefully all) Christians won't take the mark in those days, and there will be some who will need help in one way or another. In order to prevent the marked citizens from helping the unmarked, it will be declared that Christians are responsible for all the evil doings that are occurring and therefore should be turned in.
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Oh, I see what you're saying and can see that happening and being set up now.

I still am not convinced this is a literal outward mark though.
 
As for the mark, that's to be determined. There's something to be said about some sort of identification, but what it will be, I can only guess at this point.
 
Gary said:
I believe it to be a spiritual mark. Much like what jasonc described.

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that concept is taught in judiasm and its found in exodus. stovebolts would know where and he is the one that convinced me. the bible is a jewish book. we must know what they mean by their idioms to get this stuff. they had to talk to each other. ie the prophets said this, we know this as such as we have that idiom still.
 
jasonc said:
that concept is taught in judiasm and its found in exodus. stovebolts would know where and he is the one that convinced me. the bible is a jewish book. we must know what they mean by their idioms to get this stuff. they had to talk to each other. ie the prophets said this, we know this as such as we have that idiom still.
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I know nothing about Judaism. For me, the Mark of The Beast has always been a spiritual mark. When I first heard of the mark, I envisioned some sort visible mark on the body, but after much thought, it didn't seem plausible. There were too many holes to fill. A spiritual mark fills those holes and is in line with end times events.

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Gary said:
I know nothing about Judaism. For me, the Mark of The Beast has always been a spiritual mark. When I first heard of the mark, I envisioned some sort visible mark on the body, but after much thought, it didn't seem plausible. There were too many holes to fill. A spiritual mark fills those holes and is in line with end times events.

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it fit in with me once I was told that but the mark of the beast can be even now. the beast is always a government. if the beast is linked to the dragon and it is then the mark is for the way the world does things. how we act with money. we can use it to bless god or to sin. we can use to to buy and idol or it be in idol. we can use it to worship god(tithing or offering) or to help others.
 
jasonc said:
it fit in with me once I was told that but the mark of the beast can be even now. the beast is always a government. if the beast is linked to the dragon and it is then the mark is for the way the world does things. how we act with money. we can use it to bless god or to sin. we can use to to buy and idol or it be in idol. we can use it to worship god(tithing or offering) or to help others.
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It all comes down to the contents of the heart.

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Gary said:
It all comes down to the contents of the heart.

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Gary said:
I believe it to be a spiritual mark. Much like what jasonc described.

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This is what I was thinking, too.

Do you or others see it as there are 2 bodies - one is the Body of Christ and the other one is the body of the antichrist, they both will show fruit and the bad fruit is going to have the spiritual mark against them?

Maybe this is off the wall, but I have thought about this before. What do you think?
 
Jesse said:
Do you or others see it as there are 2 bodies - one is the Body of Christ and the other one is the body of the antichrist, they both will show fruit and the bad fruit is going to have the spiritual mark against them?
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Something like that.

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Antichrist is only mentioned in the "little books' of John... only 5 times ... an not one is speaking of an individual
 
reba said:
Antichrist is only mentioned in the "little books' of John... only 5 times ... an not one is speaking of an individual
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"The antichrist" is the generic term for the son of perdition, the man of sin. The one who proclaims himself to be God.

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Gary said:
I don't believe there's a doubt in anyone's mind that implants will become a reality.
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AirDancer said, twice, that he believes implants are unlikely. That's clearly "a doubt in someone's mind". I don't mind if people disagree with my point of view, but I think we do need to be fair and consistent. When people say things like, "there's not a doubt in anyone's mind" when there clearly are doubts suggests you're not really thinking critically but just giving a knee-jerk response.

Gary said:
Some of us just choose not to participate in that reality.
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Exactly. We all make choices. Implants will not be mandatory. Anyone may refuse to be chipped. No one will come to your door for mandatory implants. But, choices always come with consequences. A consequence of choose not to be chipped is that you will not keep your job. You will not be able to pay the bills. You will become homeless. You will not be able to use hidden cash.

It is this consequence that I believe people are refusing to acknowledge. But why? Security issues? That's hardly a credible reason. ALL forms of money throughout history have had their various security issues and that has NOT stopped the evolution of money.

Contrary public opinion? Privacy concerns? Nah, those are not credible reasons either. People adapt. They get used to new circumstances. They become sensitized. Implants are coming. Look at the world around you. Look at the evidence. It's obvious.

It's a bit like Jesus saying to the pharisees, "if you don't believe me because of the words I speak, at least believe me because of the miracles I do! It's so obvious that I'm from God. Why won't you see it!" But they wouldn't. They didn't care how obvious it was. They just didn't want to believe.
 
jasonc said:
if someone wants to use cash, then I say let them. its good. there is a junk yard that accepts cash only. I have bought parts from them and that is the only means of payments. why should the government force them to change?
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Again, you're missing the point. Cash will become obsolete. It's not a matter of "force" but change and progress. Just like we don't take cash from 100 years ago into the shop, so too a time is coming when the shape of money will change, and the old money will no longer be valid. This insistence that cash will always be available can only work in your mind if you ignore the evidence around you.
 
John Hi,
Can I ask you a question about your signature ?
((Those who say God never changes are usually the most blind, because it means they've decided God can never reveal anything new to them.))

Is this you trying to be funny ? I ask because it makes no sence to me. God and His word never changes is truth.
However mans understanding of His word changes. As we grow in Christ and renew our minds God reveals more and more to us in His word. This also mean we can get a new revolation from a scripture that we already had revolation of. Still God and His word never changes....

I am not picking on you.. Just curious...
Jim
 
Jesse said:
I couldn't enroll in school without it, can't get a job without it, cant' get a bank account without it.
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Exactly, and yet no one is arresting you or forcibly causing you to get or use a SS#. It's not forced on you and yet there are consequences for not participating with it.
 
Jesse said:
It might not be as controlling as a chip, but it is a way to track you.

With chips, crime will be increased, kidnappings and murders I bet.
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It depends on what kind of crime you're talking about. Tax evasion will be waaaaay down while hand chopping will be slightly increased. Which of the two do you think banks and governments will be more concerned with? Get the bigger picture here.
 
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