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Futurism&TheTemple

jasoncran said:
oh please. that isnt the truth.

the book of james contradict you. james was written to the lost tribes of isreal. and esther was at the time of malachi at the latest and likely before then. that would negate channukah and call daniel a liar. channukah is a restoration to the proper temple worship by devout non-hellenistic jews.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, the N.T. says many times that the twelve tribes were scattered abroad. I will start a thread about the missing tribes for you. It is well done.
 
Osgiliath said:
How I genuinely wish you could understand JLB. The temple of God in Jerusalem was made after the pattern of the heavenly or spiritual temple, as it was shown unto Moses on the mount. The idea of the temple is that of a dwelling place of God. The temple was the house of God, His habitation. It was the place where the manifest presence, glory, and power of God resided in the most holy place.

Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament."

When the temple of God is opened, it is opened where He has raised it up, in the heavens of the Spirit of the Lord. You are the temple! And just where is this temple?

Ephesians 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

Because the temple is in heaven, in THE SPIRIT, those believers who love and live and walk after the flesh will not be found there! They have already, for two thousand years, been opened - and out of them flows corruption, fleshly programs and promotions, pride of life, static creeds, external rituals, prosperity, lifeless forms and ceremonies, and self exaltation, because their desires and methods and works are of the spirit of the world, after the flesh, the carnal mind, and the world is filled with the foolishness of what has been exposed in the temple of religion ON EARTH.

Jesus went through the veil into the fullness of divine life and glory. He opened and consecrated the way for us to follow, to pass through the veil into the HEAVENLY realm.


Revelation 1:10-11 "I was in the spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia."


John was in the Spirit in the day of the Lord when he received the revelation! The Spirit was his vantage point, his perspective, his position, his frame of reference. Everyone is looking today in the natural for the events of this book to come to pass, but John was in the Spirit when he saw the vision, and he was in the Spirit when he wrote the book — he wasn't in the natural! His vantage point was neither 68 AD nor was it 2,000 years into the future, for those vantage points are in the natural. The Spirit was his vantage point!

He was in a realm beyond the natural, and observing events in a realm beyond the natural. These things are written in a language that only the spiritual mind can understand! A natural mind produces a natural concept (such as Heaven being a physical geographical location). The natural man believes the physical 'IS' the spiritual, and he thinks the spiritual is still physical in some way.

It should be obvious that only a person who knows Spanish is able to read a book written in Spanish. Likewise, the book of Revelation was written in the Spirit, out of the mind of the Spirit, in the language of the Spirit, and it requires a spiritual discernment to understand it! Only the man who lives and walks in the Spirit can receive from it. You must be a citizen of the the heavenlies — where the language of the book is known. You must read and understand it in the language in which it was written — not the Greek language, but the language of the Spirit of God! A spiritual book must be spiritually discerned!

1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."


"What" exactly is Heaven?

Isaiah 66:1 "Thus says the Lord, the HEAVEN IS MY THRONE, and the earth is My footstool."

Heaven is what? The answer: God's Throne! We do well to remember that heaven is not a place away off somewhere beyond the Milky Way, millions of light years distant; but "Heaven IS MY THRONE!


And what does Paul say?

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."


And the Temple?

1 Corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth IN YOU?"


Heaven is the REALM OF GOD'S SPIRIT! And as Paul tells us above, God's Spirit dwelleth where? IN YOU!


Is Christ in you? Is your answer yes? The Christ who is within you IS THE CHRIST WHO HAS ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN!


John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

Notice, "WE will make OUR ABODE with him."


Ephesians 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."
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You quoted many scriptures, some of which I quoted to you.

All of which say the same thing I have been saying to you.


God dwells in a temple in heaven.

God also dwells in born again believers.


Which one of these two statements do you disagree with?


JLB
 
Martin Luther said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, the N.T. says many times that the twelve tribes were scattered abroad. I will start a thread about the missing tribes for you. It is well done.
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and james wrote to them. they are now in isreal. one woman of asher is listed. sorry an ahserite isnt an judean.i know your arguments. since isreal of today isnt jews and jews are corrupted then the shoah isnt a slaughter of jews.
 
Martin Luther said:

Well sure Paul was. There were pure blood Israelites butjust enough to facilitate Christ’s birth. No one knows for sure who theIsraelites are anymore. They are likely white as the bible said Esau had redhair. There are many stone figures left behind from places the Israelites hadlived. The northern ten tribes went north through the Caucasus Mountains andbecame known as Caucasians. They likely are the Europeans. The Germans were onetribe, the French another, so on and so on.
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of david.

sorry, jews then and up to 50 years ago didnt marry gentiles all that much.

dont read your bible. it was never about "blood"

from the beginning since moses there has been a gentile mix with isreal.

in joshua' day rachab a jericho woman becomes a hebrew woman
in ruth a moabite woman becomes a hebrew and great grand
 
jasoncran said:
of david.

sorry, jews then and up to 50 years ago didnt marry gentiles all that much.

dont read your bible. it was never about "blood"

from the beginning since moses there has been a gentile mix with isreal.

in joshua' day rachab a jericho woman becomes a hebrew woman
in ruth a moabite woman becomes a hebrew and great grand
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nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.
 
the only genaology i care for is the ones listed in the bible and my own.we cranmans greet each other by asking whom son are you? then we know which cousin they and how far apart they are.most jewish in nature.

ironically its all orally told.i have verified my dad's story on my granddad and also cranman drive in savannah and learned more from that. hmm
 
reba, if a man comes here to claim that jews arent really jews. well that is justing asking for a response and a rabbit trail. you know me. i do derail threads but what martin said is wrong.
 
Not yet reba. If I had any smarts at all, I would save my progress as I go. I always say I'm going to save, but I forget. The more I think about it, I was just repeating what I have already posted ten times already LOL, so maybe God wants me to leave it be, and post something different.



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I will not forget.. :) reba
 
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Eventide said:
How about the two witnesses and their testimony.. How do you remove those things from their biblical context and apply them to the past or present ?
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The biblical context of Rev 11 is the Jewish civil war within the first Jewish/Roman war. The two witnesses symbolize RighteousJudaism and Christianity. These are the two belief systems of the world that produce fruit and give light. RighteousJudaism and Christianity should have remained dead along with ApostateJudaism after the war with PaganRome, but the two were resurrected and vindicated by God through history.
 
Everyone knows that the stated biblical context of Revelation 11 is things which must be hereafter.. So explain how in the world you come up with the Jewish civil war.. Obviously it does not come from scripture.. So where do you come up with this stuff..
 
Sinthesis said:
The biblical context of Rev 11 is the Jewish civil war within the first Jewish/Roman war. The two witnesses symbolize RighteousJudaism and Christianity. These are the two belief systems of the world that produce fruit and give light. RighteousJudaism and Christianity should have remained dead along with ApostateJudaism after the war with PaganRome, but the two were resurrected and vindicated by God through history.
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Righteous Judaism and Christianity should have remained dead along with Apostate Judaism after the war with Pagan Rome, but the two were resurrected and vindicated by God through history.
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Righteous Judaism resurrected?

Now that is funny!


JLB
 
Eventide said:
Everyone knows that the stated biblical context of Revelation 11 is things which must be hereafter.. So explain how in the world you come up with the Jewish civil war.. Obviously it does not come from scripture.. So where do you come up with this stuff..
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John was probably given Revelation in the year 65AD. If so, then everything that happens after 65AD can be a 'hereafter'.
 
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