TULIP - Irresistible Grace

[Walpole]

Then thats an attack on Gods Sovereignty as I see it, and elevating the creatures will over Gods. Its being claimed a little girl is the decision maker on whether or not God shall carry out His Divine purposes.

So you believe God is capable of rape?

Your God is my devil.

 

[brightfame52]

Totally Depraved is not mentioned in scripture.

Please explain what the phrase Totally Depraved means.

Study the T in the acronym Tulip about Total depravity, you wanna a link ?

 

[brightfame52]

So you believe God is capable of rape?

Your God is my devil.

False accusing now

 

[JLB]

Study the T in the acronym Tulip about Total depravity, you wanna a link ?

No I actual want you to explain what total depravity means.

I have looked at what some people say about this and have found several different explanations.

So now, I’m asking you what Toal Depravity means.

If you don’t know what it means then just say so.

 

[donadams]

Where does it say all men are not totally depraved ?

what does totally depraved mean?

i would suppose it means we are devoid of grace and union with God.

i would say it is the state of fallen man from the sin of adam and that this condition was remedied at the cross with the bloody death of Christ.

for all those who received grace from God before the death of Christ, they received it in virtue of the future merits of Christ, all things are possible with God! Lk 1:37

and especially the grace of the Immaculate Conception of Mary that made Her worthy to receive "our salvation"! Lk 1:49 titus 2:11
thks

 

[donadams]

Where is that phrase in the bible ?

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

but we don't believe the false doctrine of "scripture alone"!

where does scripture say that scripture is the only authority?

 

[Walpole]

False accusing now

Hardly.

If Mary did not consent, then by definition she was raped.

 

[brightfame52]

No I actual want you to explain what total depravity means.

I have looked at what some people say about this and have found several different explanations.

So now, I’m asking you what Toal Depravity means.

If you don’t know what it means then just say so.

Study the T in Tulip from more able men than myself, and I have talked about it for years here. You reject a Gospel Doctrine, thats all to it

 

[brightfame52]

donadams

what does totally depraved mean?

Total depravity - is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

Total depravity - is it biblical? Are all human beings totally depraved? Are we incapable of receiving Christ on our own?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[brightfame52]

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

but we don't believe the false doctrine of "scripture alone"!

where does scripture say that scripture is the only authority?

Where does it say all men are not totally depraved ?

 

[brightfame52]

Hardly.

If Mary did not consent, then by definition she was raped.

More False accusing and false charges

 

[Walpole]

More False accusing and false charges

How is this a false charge?

If Mary did not consent, then by definition she was raped.

 

[brightfame52]

How is this a false charge?

If Mary did not consent, then by definition she was raped.

More sarcasm

 

[Walpole]

More sarcasm

I am not being sarcastic at all. It is the truth.

If Mary did not give her consent, explain how what God did was not a rape?

 

[brightfame52]

I am not being sarcastic at all. It is the truth.

If Mary did not give her consent, explain how what God did was not a rape?

Yes you are, foolish talk

 

[Walpole]

Yes you are, foolish talk

It appears you are unable to offer a refutation.

I'll take your refusal to offer an explanation as your de facto concession that your God of Calvinism did indeed rape Mary.

 

[GodsGrace]

Where does it say all men are not totally depraved ?

BF,,,,I'm not having the same discussion with you that you're having with JLB.

Total Depravity has nothing to do with man's depravity.

THIS is what is concerns:

1. Man is born so depraved that he is UNABLE TO HELP HIMSELF.
2. Thus God has to do all biddings for man...be it in their every day life and be it in their salvation.
3. This removes free will from mankind.
4. Since mankind has no free will .... man is UNABLE TO SEEK GOD.

Now,,,do you wish to discuss TOTAL DEPRAVITY?

Fine.

Now show me with scripture how man is UNABLE TO SEEK GOD.

 

[GodsGrace]

It appears you are unable to offer a refutation.

I'll take your refusal to offer an explanation as your de facto concession that your God of Calvinism did indeed rape Mary.

Correct.
The other member parrots what he writes unless it's a copy and paste.
He is unable to speak, in his own words, what it is he seems to believe.
But we know for sure that it's the reformed faith.

 

[GodsGrace]

Where is the phrase in the bible that states man is able to seek God

So please that you asked BF.

Both the OT and the NT teach that man is able to seek God.
As you can see, Reformed/Calvinist theology has once again
cause conflict within scripture.
Since we know that scripture cannot conflict with itself...
surely your theology might be mistaken.....

Matthew 6:33​

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Hebrews 11:6​

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

1 Chronicles 16:11​

Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!

Proverbs 8:17​

I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.

Jeremiah 29:13​

You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

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Deuteronomy 4:29​

But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul.

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Matthew 7:7-8​

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

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Isaiah 55:6-7​

“Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Psalm 119:2​

Blessed are those who keep his testimonies, who seek him with their whole heart,

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Lamentations 3:25​

The Lord is good to those who wait for him, to the soul who seeks him.

2 Chronicles 7:14​

If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

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Matthew 7:7​

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

Psalm 105:4​

Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!

James 4:8​

Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

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Isaiah 55:6​

“Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near;

Amos 5:4​

For thus says the Lord to the house of Israel: “Seek me and live;

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Acts 17:27​

That they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us,

Job 5:8-9​

“As for me, I would seek God, and to God would I commit my cause, who does great things and unsearchable, marvelous things without number:

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Psalm 27:8​

You have said, “Seek my face.” My heart says to you, “Your face, Lord, do I seek.”

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1 Chronicles 22:19​

Now set your mind and heart to seek the Lord your God. Arise and build the sanctuary of the Lord God, so that the ark of the covenant of the Lord and the holy vessels of God may be brought into a house built for the name of the Lord.”

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Psalm 34:4​

I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.

Luke 12:31​

Instead, seek his kingdom, and these things will be added to you.

Hosea 10:12​

Sow for yourselves righteousness; reap steadfast love; break up your fallow ground, for it is the time to seek the Lord, that he may come and rain righteousness upon you.

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Matthew 13:44-46​

“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and covered up. Then in his joy he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search of fine pearls, who, on finding one pearl of great value, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

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Acts 17:26-27​

And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us,

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Romans 3:10-11​

As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God.

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2 Chronicles 15:12-15​

And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. They swore an oath to the Lord with a loud voice and with shouting and with trumpets and with horns. And all Judah rejoiced over the oath, for they had sworn with all their heart and had sought him with their whole desire, and he was found by them, and the Lord gave them rest all around.

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Please notice that I only posted verses that pertain to unbelievers.
There are many more if you're interested:

source: https://www.openbible.info/topics/seeking_god

 

[Walpole]

Correct.
The other member parrots what he writes unless it's a copy and paste.
He is unable to speak, in his own words, what it is he seems to believe.
But we know for sure that it's the reformed faith.

The poster refuses to engage. I guess he either is incapable or has not thought about the implications of his theology, which renders God a rapist if Mary did not give her consent.