oscar3 wrote:
Well, Thats your interpretation.
I also noticed that you did not deny works.
It seemed off topic. I have been discussing this with Dave… in the thread entitled,
Justification: Why works are a stumbling block for some. If you drop in about page 9, you’ll get most of the points we covered about works:
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... &start=120
I will talk about works in the context of God hating you, however.
In your critique of my statement, (your words in CAPS) below:
The saved elect are those, having lived their lives in patient continuance of doing good (IN OTHER WORDS ''WORKS'', SINCE GRACE ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH), who are born again (YES, THIS IS TRUE) and invested themselves into their ‘spiritual man,’ (AGAIN, WE ARE BACK TO WORKS), following Christ and not the ‘carnal man’ living for his own selfish desires (YES ANOTHER TRUTH).
You find a problem with my saying; “patient continuance of doing good,†which is a direct quote from Romans 2:7 where you see that God will reward according to works: eternal life to those who continue in doing good and wrath to those who are contentious and don‘t obey. God loves, or treats with love, those who obey him. The works that God hates are works of the law done in hypocrisy and pride, in an attempt to get around what he commands us to do. The commands of Christ are all about love, faith, mercy, humility and truth, IOW, ‘doing good.’
God doesn’t hate the person who disobeys, he hates the disobedience. If the same one who disobeys repents and obeys, he will treat that same person with the same love that he has shown to the ‘objects of his love’ who have been walking in obedience.
There are several misunderstandings in the verses about God’s hate, his chosen people and who he loves.
The purpose of election is not for salvation. (It was never about salvation.) God has elected many people for many different assignments. The Israelites were God’s chosen people, but when they rebelled, they became objects of wrath. He always saved a remnant even though they probably deserved to be wiped out several times in their sordid history. Why did he favor them so? Because of the promise to Abraham, that from his bloodline the savior of the world would come.
That was the purpose of the election, and it was not of works or righteousness that they had done but according to his mercy and the faith of their ancestor, Abraham, that they were not destroyed. He didn’t love them best but he treated them as objects of love so a remnant would remain to bring the Lord through their line. God didn’t hate Esau as a man but he showed favor to Jacob because he was the chosen blood line to Christ, and he was chosen before he was born, probably because of traits that God could see in his genes that God wanted for his Son‘s earthy body. In Romans 9 Paul is trying to say the Jews were not chosen because they were more righteous than others. Maybe Jesus was the perfect physical clone of Abraham or Adam, who knows?
The misunderstanding of those verses has spawned many false doctrines.
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