Bible Study good Friday

[JLB]

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

These are the words Jesus spoke. If He said three days and three nights I will believe His math. Sunset to sunset makes a day in the Hebrew numbering of days and nights. There is no 24 hour period.

Sunset to sunset is 24 hours.


Thursday night could “technically” be included in the day Friday, but he wasn’t “in” Heart of the earth until Friday at 3:00.


And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”...
Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
Luke 23:43,53-24:1




JLB

 

[Dant02]

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Thank you for proving that Friday was not a Sabbath before the the Seventh day, because Moses and the children of Israel traveled away from Egypt on that day.

The Passover sabbath was instituted before the people departed Egypt. (Ex 12:16)

The law forbidding sabbath travel wasn't instituted until Moses' people were out of Egypt and beyond the Red Sea. (Ex 16:29)

Seeing as how God's laws aren't retroactive (Deut 5:2-4, Gal 3:17) then the travel ban didn't apply to Moses' people on the night of the Passover.
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[for_his_glory]

Did you get a chance to read my reply to you. I even gave you a link in a previous post.

In a Jewish mind, a typical day looks like this.

Night, Day.

The 14th looks like this.

Night, Day, Night.

Jesus Died a 3 and was buried before the end of the Day. This is Day 1.
The Night of the 15th is counted twice. Jews consider the night of the 15th as the night of the 14th because scripture says they had to eat the lamb by the end of the day...

This is because

I did take a look, but didn't go through any of the videos, but can see why they counted the 15th twice. Bear with me as it's all figured out in the end of this post.

One thing we have to remember was there were no sabbath laws before the exodus. The only laws that Moses would have know would have been the Noahic laws that God first gave to Adam
These are as followed:

Noahic Laws:
Not to worship idols.
Not to curse God.
To establish courts of justice.
Not to commit murder.
Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
Not to steal.
Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

If you notice there is no law to keep the sabbath as all it ever was, was a day of rest, nothing more, nothing less. God only blessed it as being a good day that is set apart from the other six. Any day can be a sabbath day of rest.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Exodus 12
The first month of the year was Nisan being the beginning of months. In the 10th day being a Monday they were to each man take a unblemished lamb and keep it until the 14th of Nisan being a Friday and then after putting the blood on the door post they were to eat it that night. Also note they were to be fully dressed and their staff in the hands as they were to eat in haste because it was the Lord's passover as He passes over Egypt at midnight killing all first born.

The 14th being a Friday night they were told to eat so this would more than likely be after sunset the beginning of the 15th being Saturday since a new day started after sunset. Now we know it was midnight being the 15th when the Lord passed over Egypt killing all the first born, but also the day of the exodus. Also anything left over from the lambs was to be burned up in the morning of the 15th before the exodus could begin.

I can see why the Jews counted the 15th twice by the night, day, night
14th - night
15th - day
15th - night

 

[for_his_glory]

Thank you for proving that Friday was not a Sabbath before the the Seventh day, because Moses and the children of Israel traveled away from Egypt on that day.


The only Sabbath mentioned in the New Testament account of the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ is the Sabbath; the seventh day.




JLB

Who ever said that Friday was a Sabbath as I know I never did. Sabbath is always after Friday's sunset that begins Saturday, but in the days of the exodus there were no commands from God to keep the sabbath as a Holy day as it's only a day of rest. Genesis 2:1-3. After the first Temple was built then there were special Sabbaths (observances) Sabbaths added to the Levitical laws.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sunset to sunset is 24 hours.


Thursday night could “technically” be included in the day Friday, but he wasn’t “in” Heart of the earth until Friday at 3:00.


And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”...
Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
Luke 23:43,53-24:1




JLB

We are not talking about sunset to sunset as we are talking about sunset to sunrise. Jews recognize a new day beginning at sunset.

 

[JLB]

Who ever said that Friday was a Sabbath as I know I never did.

Ok.



JLB

 

[JLB]

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The Passover sabbath was instituted before the people departed Egypt. (Ex 12:16)

The law forbidding sabbath travel wasn't instituted until Moses' people were out of Egypt and beyond the Red Sea. (Ex 16:29)

Seeing as how God's laws aren't retroactive (Deut 5:2-4, Gal 3:17) then the travel ban didn't apply to Moses' people on the night of the Passover.
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Do you believe the Sabbath applied to the children of Israel during that time?




JLB

 

[JLB]

Sabbath is always after Friday's sunset that begins Saturday,

I agree.

 

[JLB]

God to keep the sabbath as a Holy day as it's only a day of rest. Genesis 2:1-3.

How about today? How is the Sabbath to be observed today, under the New Covenant?




JLB

 

[JLB]

We are not talking about sunset to sunset as we are talking about sunset to sunrise. Jews recognize a new day beginning at sunset.

I agree.


The new day begins at sunset.


However, sunset to sunset is 24 hours.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Who ever said that Friday was a Sabbath as I know I never did. Sabbath is always after Friday's sunset that begins Saturday, but in the days of the exodus there were no commands from God to keep the sabbath as a Holy day as it's only a day of rest. Genesis 2:1-3. After the first Temple was built then there were special Sabbaths (observances) Sabbaths added to the Levitical laws.

Can you at least understand my perspective from these scriptures, even though you may not agree with it?


And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”...
Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
Luke 23:43,53-24:1




JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

For immediate gratification, read Acts 9:20-26 keeping the new time frame in mind that Paul gave you in Gal 1.

unfortunately, I'm driving home and have band practice. I'll try to pick this back up tomorrow.

I will leave you with this, if you want to support Friday being Nisan 14, then you will have to work all of your biblical dates to come back to 27 or 30 CE as these are the only two dates where Passover occurred on a Friday. The 27th doesn't work due to the Emperor and Herodians...

OK.
I read Acts 9:20-26
Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus
,20and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, “He is the Son of God.”
21All those hearing him continued to be amazed, and were saying, “Is this not he who in Jerusalem destroyed those who called on this name, and who had come here for the purpose of bringing them bound before the chief priests?”
22But Saul kept increasing in strength and confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ.


23When many days had elapsed, the Jews plotted together to do away with him,
24but their plot became known to Saul. They were also watching the gates day and night so that they might put him to death;
25but his disciples took him by night and let him down through an opening in the wall, lowering him in a large basket.


26When he came to Jerusalem, he was trying to associate with the disciples; but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple.


I really don't know what this has to do with the dating for a Friday crucifixion....

Here's your post:

For immediate gratification, read Acts 9:20-26 keeping the new time frame in mind that Paul gave you in Gal 1.

[I had come up with a conversion date for Paul at about 38 AD]

unfortunately, I'm driving home and have band practice. I'll try to pick this back up tomorrow.

I will leave you with this, if you want to support Friday being Nisan 14, then you will have to work all of your biblical dates to come back to 27 or 30 CE as these are the only two dates where Passover occurred on a Friday. The 27th doesn't work due to the Emperor and Herodians...


What did Acts prove/show?

 

[stovebolts]

OK.
I read Acts 9:20-26
Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus
,20and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, “He is the Son of God.”
21All those hearing him continued to be amazed, and were saying, “Is this not he who in Jerusalem destroyed those who called on this name, and who had come here for the purpose of bringing them bound before the chief priests?”
22But Saul kept increasing in strength and confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ.


23When many days had elapsed, the Jews plotted together to do away with him,
24but their plot became known to Saul. They were also watching the gates day and night so that they might put him to death;
25but his disciples took him by night and let him down through an opening in the wall, lowering him in a large basket.


26When he came to Jerusalem, he was trying to associate with the disciples; but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple.


I really don't know what this has to do with the dating for a Friday crucifixion....

Here's your post:

For immediate gratification, read Acts 9:20-26 keeping the new time frame in mind that Paul gave you in Gal 1.

[I had come up with a conversion date for Paul at about 38 AD]

unfortunately, I'm driving home and have band practice. I'll try to pick this back up tomorrow.

I will leave you with this, if you want to support Friday being Nisan 14, then you will have to work all of your biblical dates to come back to 27 or 30 CE as these are the only two dates where Passover occurred on a Friday. The 27th doesn't work due to the Emperor and Herodians...


What did Acts prove/show?

Sorry... Using the time frame in Galatians, thete is a 3 year span from verse 25 and verse 26. That's the way I read it anyway.

It was just a cool thing to share on the journey of playing with dates.

 

[Dant02]

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Do you believe the Sabbath applied to the children of Israel during that time?

The information you seek is located in the second paragraph of post No.202
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[for_his_glory]

The term three days and three nights is an idiomatic expression for three consecutive days.

Not three “literal” nights.

Three literal nights, means there are four days involved.



I believe Paul when he said d he had a “thorn in his flesh”, but that doesn’t mean Paul “literally” had a thorn in his flesh.


Thorn in his flesh was an idiomatic expression for a source of irritation or frustration, like we say today “pain in the @#s”.



JLB

If this is what you believe so be it. You have showed your side and we our side. Let each one draw their own conclusions.

 

[dianegcook]

The term three days and three nights is an idiomatic expression for three consecutive days.

Not three “literal” nights.

Three literal nights, means there are four days involved.



I believe Paul when he said d he had a “thorn in his flesh”, but that doesn’t mean Paul “literally” had a thorn in his flesh.


Thorn in his flesh was an idiomatic expression for a source of irritation or frustration, like we say today “pain in the @#s”.



JLB

2Cor.11:25
The expression, "a night and a day", denotes a complete day, does it not?
When the number of nights, is stated, as well as the number of days, it ceases to be an idiom.

 

[JLB]

My question -


Do you believe the Sabbath applied to the children of Israel during that time?

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The information you seek is located in the second paragraph of post No.202
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Here is a quote from you, from post 202

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The Passover sabbath was instituted before the people departed Egypt. (Ex 12:16)
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On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat—that only may be prepared by you. So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance. Exodus 12:16-17




Do you believe Friday was a Sabbath when Jesus was crucified?



JLB

 

[JLB]

2Cor.11:25
The expression, "a night and a day", denotes a complete day, does it not?
When the number of nights, is stated, as well as the number of days, it ceases to be an idiom.

To me a day refers to any part of a day, whether day or night.


I don’t use the term night and day to describe a day.


Example:

My crew worked a full week last week, everyone got 8 hours.


This means my payroll is going to be 40 hours for everyone in my crew, because they worked Monday through Friday for 8 hours a day.


Even though I said they worked a full week.


Week refers to Five days not 7


A full days work refers to 8 hours not 24.


This is how my culture communicates time, associated with work.


The culture of that day was different.


Please show me specifically what you disagree with in this scriptural model of the crucifixion and resurrection.



Day 1 Friday - And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”...
Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid.


Day 2 The Sabbath Saturday - Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.


Day 3 Sunday - Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
Luke 23:43,53-24:1




JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

How about today? How is the Sabbath to be observed today, under the New Covenant?




JLB

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

We keep the sabbath day the same way God commanded it to be as a day of rest. Nothing more, nothing less. God blessed the seventh as it was a day He chose to rest and look back on all He created. He set this day apart (sanctified) from the other six days as a day to rest.

It was only after it became a part of the ten commandments God gave to Moses on Mt Sinai, as it was never a part of the Noahic laws of God. Moses reiterated in Exodus 16:22-26 that it was a day of rest and no work was to be done on that day. Just like Passover was only to be a memorial day of remembering the exodus out of Egypt as they ate their meal before the Lord started passing over Egypt at midnight.

It has nothing to do with OT or NT covenants as even the disciples plucked corn to eat while they walked with Jesus through the corn fields. The same with David who ate the showbread because he was hungry, but yet they did not have to work for that of what they ate. Look what Jesus said to the Pharisees in Matthew 12:1-13.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite, but we are now the Temple of God under the new covenant and sabbaths are still a day of rest.

 

[JLB]

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made

Yes the seventh day is the Sabbath.

The day before is Friday.

The day after is Sunday, the first day of the week; The day He rose.


JLB