Bible Study good Friday

[JLB]

Thursday is the first day being that Jesus died around the ninth hour (3pm) so that makes it the 1st day he died. We are talking about a sunset to sunrise count of days and nights like God said in Genesis 1:3-5.

Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:3-5

• So the evening and the morning were the first day.

Jesus was on the cross after sunrise throughout the day, and died around the ninth hour, which is three.


He still died on the first day.

He was still in the tomb before the second day started at 6:00 PM in the evening

He remained in the tomb on the second day, which was the Sabbath.

He rose on the third day, which was Sunday, the first day of the week.



Sunday - Day 3
Saturday - Day 2
Friday - Day 1




JLB

 

[Dant02]

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Actually Jesus never ate the Passover meal

No less than three passages in the New Testament verify that Christ ate that particular Passover right along with his men.

Matt 26:17-23
Mark 14:12-18
Luke 22:7-15

NOTE: Jesus was born under the jurisdiction of the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. (Luke 2:21, Gal 4:4)

That covenant makes excommunication the penalty for neglecting to eat the Passover when there is no covenanted reason not to.

● Num 9:13 . .The man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of The Lord in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.

In order for Jesus to retain his qualifications as a lamb without blemish or spot, he had to eat the Passover. But the interesting thing about it is that Jesus ate that particular Passover not only because the covenant required him to, but because he really, really wanted to.

● Luke 22:14-15 . . And when the hour had come, he reclined at the table, and the apostles with Him. And he said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer"

That wasn't Christ's last and final Passover; he plans on eating it yet again in the future.

● Luke 22:16 . .I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
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[stovebolts]

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No less than three passages in the New Testament verify that Christ ate that particular Passover right along with his men.

Matt 26:17-23
Mark 14:12-18
Luke 22:7-15

NOTE: Jesus was born under the jurisdiction of the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. (Luke 2:21, Gal 4:4)

That covenant makes excommunication the penalty for neglecting to eat the Passover when there is no covenanted reason not to.

● Num 9:13 . .The man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of The Lord in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.

In order for Jesus to retain his qualifications as a lamb without blemish or spot, he had to eat the Passover. But the interesting thing about it is that Jesus ate that particular Passover not only because the covenant required him to, but because he really, really wanted to.

● Luke 22:14-15 . . And when the hour had come, he reclined at the table, and the apostles with Him. And he said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer"

That wasn't Christ's last and final Passover; he plans on eating it yet again in the future.

● Luke 22:16 . .I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
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Hi,
I've brought this up in post 70. How do you reconcile those versus with Johns Gospel?

John 13:1
English Standard Version
Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.

John 18:28
English Standard Version
Then they led Jesus from the house of Caiaphas to the governor’s headquarters. It was early morning. They themselves did not enter the governor’s headquarters, so that they would not be defiled, but could eat the Passover.

John 18:39-40
English Standard Version
But you have a custom that I should release one man for you at the Passover. So do you want me to release to you the King of the Jews?”
They cried out again, “Not this man, but Barabbas!” Now Barabbas was a robber.

 

[stovebolts]

Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:3-5

• So the evening and the morning were the first day.

Jesus was on the cross after sunrise throughout the day, and died around the ninth hour, which is three.


He still died on the first day.

He was still in the tomb before the second day started at 6:00 PM in the evening

He remained in the tomb on the second day, which was the Sabbath.

He rose on the third day, which was Sunday, the first day of the week.



Sunday - Day 3
Saturday - Day 2
Friday - Day 1




JLB

While this accounts for 3 days, how do you account for 3 nights?

 

[stovebolts]

for_his_glory

Here is what we have to work with... Do not apply days of the week just yet because depending on the year, the days change.

14th of Nissan is not only Passover, but it is also what is known as the Day of Preparation. This is the day that Jews must ensure that no leaven is found in their house because the 15th is the High Sabbath and begins the feast of unleavened bread. It is also the day the Passover lamb is slaughtered and prepared.

On the 15th, as we have mentioned, is a High Sabbath. This means whatever day the 15th falls on, regardless of what day, it's a Sabbath. You can find this in Leviticus 23. On the 15th, the Passover meal is eaten.

Now, let's look at some dates that we know Passover would have occurred between 26-34 CE.

Crucifixion Passover Date

34 CE is the only Passover that occurs on a Thursday. Most Scholars that I have read put the death of Jesus at 30CE which puts Passover on a Friday.

This is where it gets weird when you start talking about a Friday crucifixion. You can easily count 3 days (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) but you only come up with 2 nights. (Saturday and Sunday) which doesn't sit well with the words of Jesus and the sign of Jonah.

So, here is what we have to work with for a Friday Crucifixion to come up with 3 nights.

Keep in mind that Friday Day slips into Saturday Night which becomes Saturday Day, then Sunday Night to Sunday Day. Clearly, only two nights are represented.

However, Jews meld Passover (14th) with the night of the 15th when the Passover meal is eaten. This, the night of the 15th is considered both the night of the 14th and 15th because the meal has to be eaten on the day it was prepared according to scripture.

Why Is Passover on Nissan 15, Not Nissan 14?

The Bible states that Passover is on the 14th of Nissan, yet the Jewish calendar shows Passover starting the following night!

www.chabad.org

" note that, in a certain sense, the celebration of the 15th is considered to be an extension of the 14th. How so? With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.”4 In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought."

Clearly, Jews think radically different than we do because their thinking is shaped by observing the law. Simply put, here is their problem. how can you eat the Passover meal the day it was offered when its offered at the end of the day and you are commanded to eat it the day it was offered... And we need to get into Exodus to better understand this.

 

[JLB]

While this accounts for 3 days, how do you account for 3 nights?

Three days and three nights are not literal, but an idiomatic term for three consecutive days.


Let’s think about it.


The only way for there to be three nights literally is for there to be four days, because the third literal night would begin in the evening of the fourth day.


We know he wasn’t in the heart of the earth on the third night, as the scripture tells us he rose on the third day, in the morning.


The only possible literal nights to be involved is the first and second day.


We can certainly consider that Friday began Thursday evening, which includes a literal Thursday night, however He wasn’t in the heart of the earth on Thursday night.


JLB

 

[stovebolts]

Three days and three nights are not literal, but an idiomatic term for three consecutive days.


Let’s think about it.


The only way for there to be three nights literally is for there to be four days, because the third literal night would begin in the evening of the fourth day.


We know he wasn’t in the heart of the earth on the third night, as the scripture tells us he rose on the third day, in the morning.


The only possible literal nights to be involved is the first and second day.


We can certainly consider that Friday began Thursday evening, which includes a literal Thursday night, however He wasn’t in the heart of the earth on Thursday night.


JLB

Jews didn't think in those terms... Neither did Greeks.

 

[GodsGrace]

study is great and good to be shared in the right manner --i fail to see the right manner

THIS is the right manner.
Different persons putting forth what they know.
There's always someone that knows more than me about some topic or other.....or maybe I know more than someone else regarding this or that....this is what learning is...learning from others that know more.

 

[Dant02]

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How do you reconcile those versus with Johns Gospel?

The information you seek is located in the second paragraph of post No.94
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[stovebolts]

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A very common error is neglect to account for all three of the three nights Jesus predicted in Matt 12:40. They're all listed in post No.75.

While we're at it, another important tip I should mention is that Jesus and his men ate their own paschal lamb a day ahead of the Jews. Apparently the Jews' official religious calendar was off a bit that year; while Jesus, being a prophet in direct contact with God, would of course know the correct date with a very high degree of precision.

NOTE: The Jews tried their best to avoid executing Jesus at any time during the Passover season.

● Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among the people.

Due to their official religious calendar's error, the Jews inadvertently put Jesus to death during the very season they wanted to avoid. (sigh) Poor guys. They just couldn't win.
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Thanks for directing me to this post.
If you trace Marks account of Passover, it was two days before the Temple Passover.

From what I've read, it wasn't an error in their calendar, but rather... Which calendar.

The Uber adherents such as the Essenes claimed they were using the correct calendar and that the Babylonian calendar the Temple used was in error.

I'm currently trying to read a book called Jesus and Hillel. In it, they talk a lot about the Essenes and the influences they had through the regions. Many times their views are in alignment with the views of Jesus while other times the views from the Temple line up with the views of Jesus. It's a fascinating read!

 

[GodsGrace]

Thanks for directing me to this post.
If you trace Marks account of Passover, it was two days before the Temple Passover.

From what I've read, it wasn't an error in their calendar, but rather... Which calendar.

The Uber adherents such as the Essenes claimed they were using the correct calendar and that the Babylonian calendar the Temple used was in error.

I'm currently trying to read a book called Jesus and Hillel. In it, they talk a lot about the Essenes and the influences they had through the regions. Many times their views are in alignment with the views of Jesus while other times the views from the Temple line up with the views of Jesus. It's a fascinating read!

Some biblical scholars believe Jesus was an Essene.
I'm going to try to get that book...I've forgotten so much.

 

[stovebolts]

Some biblical scholars believe Jesus was an Essene.
I'm going to try to get that book...I've forgotten so much.

There is strong evidence that John was very close to the Essene's but so far, what I've read its not that easy with Jesus. He was a bit unique.

I am learning to say "Their views are in alignment with Jesus" because Jesus is our source of truth. With scholars, you will hear them say Jesus was in alignment with x, y or z.

 

[JLB]

Jews didn't think in those terms... Neither did Greeks.

Jesus definitely thought in those terms, because it’s reality.


He was in the heart of the earth on the day before the Sabbath began.


And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Like 23:43


The only way for Jesus to be in the tomb for three “literal” nights is to be there on the fourth day.

He wasn’t there in the night of the third day.


No way around it.


Three days and three nights is not a reference to three literal days and three literal nights.


It’s idiomatic, for three consecutive days.


Please consider this.




JLB

 

[Dant02]

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From what I've read, it wasn't an error in their calendar, but rather... Which calendar.

I think we can be reasonably confident that Christ's religious calendar was spot-on that year.

● John 6:38 . . I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.

● John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.
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[Dant02]

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The only way for Jesus to be in the tomb for three “literal” nights is to be there on the fourth day.

A sizeable number of passages testify that Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather than during a fourth after the third was over and done with.

Matt 17:22-23
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
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[JLB]

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A sizeable number of passages testify that Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather than during a fourth after the third was over and done with.

Matt 17:22-23
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
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I agree.

The nights seems to be the bid rub in this thread.


All we need to know is found in this passage -


“Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles; and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.” Mark 10:34


And the third day He will rise again.


We know the third day was the first day of the week.


Day 3 - Sunday
Day 2 - Saturday the Sabbath
Day 1 - Friday the day of preparation


Jesus was not in the heart of the earth for three “literal” nights.


For Jesus to be in the heart of the earth for three “literal” nights, He would have had to be there Sunday night, which means the fourth day had begun at 6:00 on Sunday evening.






JLB

 

[Dant02]

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Day 1 - Friday the day of preparation

Sunday . . . . . resurrection day
Saturday . . . . routine sabbath day
Friday . . . . . . Passover sabbath day
Thursday . . . . preparation day

FAQ: How is Passover a sabbath day?

A: The seventh day of the Jews' civil week isn't the only day in their religion that's designated a sabbath. For example:

In regards to Yom Kippur, the Bible says: "It is a sabbath of complete rest for you. You shall humble yourselves. Beginning on the evening of the ninth of the month, you shall keep your sabbath from evening to evening." (Lev 23:32}

Two more special sabbaths like Yom Kippur's are Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:23-25) and the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; which commences with the night of the Passover lamb. (Ex 12:16, Lev 23:5-8)

A Catholic once suggested to me that the routine sabbath and the Passover sabbath were coincident, i.e. they fell on the same date. So I countered that his suggestion would not work to Catholicism's advantage seeing as how the standard Good Friday model is short by one night. The only possible way to produce that third night is by allowing the Passover sabbath it's own date.

NOTE: John 19:14 and John 19:31 verify that Luke 23:54 is speaking of the Passover sabbath instead of the routine sabbath.

FAQ: Doesn't your "Passover sabbath" model produce one too many days?

A: DO NOT count preparation day as one of the three days Jesus predicted in Matt 12:40. Wait until the Jews' preparation for Passover comes to an end and they're ready to sit down and dine upon their paschal lambs before starting your chronology or it won't come out right. It's essential to leave preparation day set aside for the slaughtering of lambs; including the one on the cross.
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[stovebolts]

Jesus definitely thought in those terms, because it’s reality.


He was in the heart of the earth on the day before the Sabbath began.


And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Like 23:43


The only way for Jesus to be in the tomb for three “literal” nights is to be there on the fourth day.

He wasn’t there in the night of the third day.


No way around it.


Three days and three nights is not a reference to three literal days and three literal nights.


It’s idiomatic, for three consecutive days.


Please consider this.




JLB

Do you understand I support Passover, the 14th of Nissan to have occurred on 30 CE which would have fell on a Friday?

Furthermore, do you understand how I account for the 3 days and 3 nights using the understandings of the Jewish people?

P.s. Jesus was Jewish...

 

[dianegcook]

Three days and three nights are not literal, but an idiomatic term for three consecutive days.


Let’s think about it.


The only way for there to be three nights literally is for there to be four days, because the third literal night would begin in the evening of the fourth day.


We know he wasn’t in the heart of the earth on the third night, as the scripture tells us he rose on the third day, in the morning.


The only possible literal nights to be involved is the first and second day.


We can certainly consider that Friday began Thursday evening, which includes a literal Thursday night, however He wasn’t in the heart of the earth on Thursday night.


JLB

It doesn't say, when He risen.
Could had been 3pm Sat.
They just happened to go there near dawn, and He had already risen.
Remember, this was a Sabbath day.
They came on the first day of the week.

 

[stovebolts]

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I think we can be reasonably confident that Christ's religious calendar was spot-on that year.

● John 6:38 . . I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.

● John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.
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Question...
Why does John say in chapter 18, verse 31 that it was the Day of Preperation and the day before the a special Sabbath. Clearly, John makes no mention of this being a false Passover.