Gospel Preached to all the World?

[MMarc]

I heard a preacher once preach how he was sent by God to a place in Northern Siberia know as the "end of the world".

This was in 1994 when he went. In this day the gospel has litterally been preached throughout the world as a witness to all nations.

There are at least two people in every single nation meeting in the name of Jesus, and if two or more meet in His name, Jesus will be there.

God has always had a remnant throughout the bible. God has now a remnant in every nation.
So for me it's a done deal.

 

[whirlwind]

I heard a preacher once preach how he was sent by God to a place in Northern Siberia know as the "end of the world".

This was in 1994 when he went. In this day the gospel has litterally been preached throughout the world as a witness to all nations.

There are at least two people in every single nation meeting in the name of Jesus, and if two or more meet in His name, Jesus will be there.

God has always had a remnant throughout the bible. God has now a remnant in every nation.
So for me it's a done deal.

Hi Marc,


Undoubtedly His Word has gone through the world but....has the truth of His Word reached everyone? Before this age ends that truth...not denominations, not rapture or passing snakes around, or praying to Mary, or terrorism in the name of Allah, or whatever other man-made ideas are given in the name of God, but His truth will be taught. Will all listen? No, but we are told that "testimony" given by the Holy Spirit through us will be published. That is what you are now doing.

 

[Matthew24:34]

If we could only hear Jesus and His inspired writers who said "soon" and "near," they might object as vehemently as you did, Whirlwind, when people say they really meant later and far.

I can hear them now--"No. That is not what I'm saying and I believe you fully understand that!"

If you mean soon and near, why didn't the NT writers mean the same thing! Shouldn't they demand to be understood in the same way YOU seek to be understood? I wish futurists would stop using time words--they're so confusing!

Matthew 24:34

They are not at all confusing. You are seeing them from your point of view which is....it has all already happened. Which to me, in the light of Scriptures...is very confusing indeed. As far as the "gospel being published," I will again write....


The gospel must first be "published," or...

Published #2784 to herald (as a public crier), espec. divine truth (the gospel), - preacher (-er), proclaim, publish.


The definition of "gospel" is the good news. Here, to publish the gospel is to proclaim the "divine truth." That is an interesting distinction. The good news has been spread around the world but the...divine truth is, I believe, the latter rain that has yet to be proclaimed. That deeper knowledge is what "must first be published," and that happens when the Holy Spirit speaks through the witnesses of end times.

When does that happen?

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Mark 13:9-11-13 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

I again ask...when does that happen? It could be now. We could be at the end of this period or at the beginning...we are not to know the day or the hour. The Holy Spirit is opening revelations, or the deeper truths, to many and they are spreading that truth. Think of the synagogues, councils, rulers etc. as our churches, Christian forums...wherever His Word is taught. Many times when those deeper truths are taught the witness is brow-beaten, cast out, ridiculed, scorned by the religious folks.

Whirlwind, would you first please address the time words. You stubbornly refuse to accept that something happened--even though the Scriptures clearly say that it did--because YOU cannot see it. My friend, you are making a ridiculous case for "published" not because it is there, but because YOU cannot allow it to have happened in the first century. That would destroy your eschatological views!

When DID Revelation 11:3 happen? Whirlwind--will you recognize the clear time frame of this entire book? Will you? John was shown the things which were to SHORTLY take place because the time was THEN near. He wrote this not only in the first chapter but also in the last!

Furthermore, WE are NOT the YE of Mark 13. Will you please give proper attention to the audience relevance. Jesus warned His disciples right there with Him that THEY were going to suffer those things. He told the same things to the Twelve (Mat. 10) before He sent THEM out to the lost sheep of Israel. When did you last here of anyone being scourged in a synagogue? The context is clear, Whirlwind. Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 involved those first-century, pre-A. D. 70 disciples and the other saints of that time.

Do you not see what you are doing, Whirlwind. You do not have a problem with the word "preached" in Mark 13:10 as it naturally occurs. It is plain; it is simple. You do not like what it says--its normal meaning does injustice to what you want to believe so they do hermeneutical calisthenics to make it say what you want! That is not proper exegesis, my friend. Are we willing to abandon ANYTHING we believe in the light of the clear and obvious teachings of the Word? I don't believe you are.

The word translated "published" in the KJV and "preached" in the NKJV is from khrusso (κηÃÂÃ…ÃÆ’Ãă). It is found in the following 14 verses in Mark (and in many verses throughout the NT)!

Mark 1:4 John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance.

Mark 1:7 And he preached saying, "There comes One after me who is mightier than I."

Mark 1:14 Now after John was in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the GOSPEL of the kingdom.

Mark 1:38 But He said to them, "Let us go into the next town, that I may preach there also.

Mark 1:39 And He was preaching in their synagogues throughout all Galilee, and casting out demons.

Mark 1:45 However, he [a leper] went out and began to proclaim it freely.

Mark 3:14 Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach.

Mark 5:20 And he [man freed by Jesus from unclean spirit] departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him.

Mark 6:12 So they [the Twelve] went out and preached that people should repent.

Mark 7:36 The He commanded them [multitude] that they should tell no one; but the more He commanded them, the more widely they proclaimed it."

Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations."

Mark 14:9 "Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman had done will also be told as a memorial to her."

Mark 16:15 [to His disciples there with Him] Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."

Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached EVERYWHERE.

Compare especially Mark 16:15 to Colossians 1:23--

Mark 16:15 preached [khrusso] to every creature [ktise]
Colossians 1:23 WAS preached [khrusso] to every creature [ktise]

Again, it is you who are confusing the issue, Whirlwind. I am not reading that all is fulfilled into the Scriptures--I am gleaning that OUT of the Scriptures by the simple time indicators which you refuse to acknowledge. There is nothing in any of the above passages or in any of the other many passages which says anything about a distinction between what was preached then and what you claim still needs to be preached. There is absolutely no justifcation for fabricating an aspect of the gospel which you refer to as latter rain. Whirlwind, do you not see how desperate you look here? There is no distinction between the gospel and "divine truth." That is a man-made definition. It was the gospel and nothing else that was to be proclaimed or published, Whirlwind. You are grabbing at straws here!

The Gospel WAS PREACHED to every nation and every creature in that first-century generation. Then the end of the OT age of Judaism came. See Hebrews 8 which describes that which was THEN becoming obsolete, growing old, and ready to pass away!

Furthermore, Whirlwind, we ARE to know the day and the hour. A. D. 70!

Matthew24:34

 

[whirlwind]

If we could only hear Jesus and His inspired writers who said "soon" and "near," they might object as vehemently as you did, Whirlwind, when people say they really meant later and far.

I can hear them now--"No. That is not what I'm saying and I believe you fully understand that!"

If you mean soon and near, why didn't the NT writers mean the same thing! Shouldn't they demand to be understood in the same way YOU seek to be understood? I wish futurists would stop using time words--they're so confusing!

Matthew 24:34

They are not at all confusing. You are seeing them from your point of view which is....it has all already happened. Which to me, in the light of Scriptures...is very confusing indeed. As far as the "gospel being published," I will again write....


The gospel must first be "published," or...

Published #2784 to herald (as a public crier), espec. divine truth (the gospel), - preacher (-er), proclaim, publish.


The definition of "gospel" is the good news. Here, to publish the gospel is to proclaim the "divine truth." That is an interesting distinction. The good news has been spread around the world but the...divine truth is, I believe, the latter rain that has yet to be proclaimed. That deeper knowledge is what "must first be published," and that happens when the Holy Spirit speaks through the witnesses of end times.

When does that happen?

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Mark 13:9-11-13 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

I again ask...when does that happen? It could be now. We could be at the end of this period or at the beginning...we are not to know the day or the hour. The Holy Spirit is opening revelations, or the deeper truths, to many and they are spreading that truth. Think of the synagogues, councils, rulers etc. as our churches, Christian forums...wherever His Word is taught. Many times when those deeper truths are taught the witness is brow-beaten, cast out, ridiculed, scorned by the religious folks.

Whirlwind, would you first please address the time words. You stubbornly refuse to accept that something happened--even though the Scriptures clearly say that it did--because YOU cannot see it. My friend, you are making a ridiculous case for "published" not because it is there, but because YOU cannot allow it to have happened in the first century. That would destroy your eschatological views!

When DID Revelation 11:3 happen? Whirlwind--will you recognize the clear time frame of this entire book? Will you? John was shown the things which were to SHORTLY take place because the time was THEN near. He wrote this not only in the first chapter but also in the last!

Revelation 4:1 .....Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Furthermore, WE are NOT the YE of Mark 13. Will you please give proper attention to the audience relevance. Jesus warned His disciples right there with Him that THEY were going to suffer those things. He told the same things to the Twelve (Mat. 10) before He sent THEM out to the lost sheep of Israel. When did you last here of anyone being scourged in a synagogue? The context is clear, Whirlwind. Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 involved those first-century, pre-A. D. 70 disciples and the other saints of that time.

They are our example...and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. [1 Corinthians 10:11] That end hasn't yet come. I will also add....I am His disciple as are you.

Being scourged is...to quarrel, fight, war, dispute, strive. Consider this forum as a church/synagogue...a place those that love God meet. What are we doing right now? :fight

Do you not see what you are doing, Whirlwind. You do not have a problem with the word "preached" in Mark 13:10 as it naturally occurs. It is plain; it is simple. You do not like what it says--its normal meaning does injustice to what you want to believe so they do hermeneutical calisthenics to make it say what you want! That is not proper exegesis, my friend. Are we willing to abandon ANYTHING we believe in the light of the clear and obvious teachings of the Word? I don't believe you are.

The word translated "published" in the KJV and "preached" in the NKJV is from khrusso (κηÃÂÃ…ÃÆ’Ãă). It is found in the following 14 verses in Mark (and in many verses throughout the NT)!

Mark 1:4 John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance.

Mark 1:7 And he preached saying, "There comes One after me who is mightier than I."

Mark 1:14 Now after John was in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the GOSPEL of the kingdom.

Mark 1:38 But He said to them, "Let us go into the next town, that I may preach there also.

Mark 1:39 And He was preaching in their synagogues throughout all Galilee, and casting out demons.

Mark 1:45 However, he [a leper] went out and began to proclaim it freely.

Mark 3:14 Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach.

Mark 5:20 And he [man freed by Jesus from unclean spirit] departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him.

Mark 6:12 So they [the Twelve] went out and preached that people should repent.

Mark 7:36 The He commanded them [multitude] that they should tell no one; but the more He commanded them, the more widely they proclaimed it."

Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations."

Mark 14:9 "Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman had done will also be told as a memorial to her."

Mark 16:15 [to His disciples there with Him] Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."

Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached EVERYWHERE.

Compare especially Mark 16:15 to Colossians 1:23--

Mark 16:15 preached [khrusso] to every creature [ktise]
Colossians 1:23 WAS preached [khrusso] to every creature [ktise]

Are we not also to preach, teach, take His Word to forward? Is that not what we do now? It is an ongoing process as there are ongoing souls being born.

Again, it is you who are confusing the issue, Whirlwind. I am not reading that all is fulfilled into the Scriptures--I am gleaning that OUT of the Scriptures by the simple time indicators which you refuse to acknowledge. There is nothing in any of the above passages or in any of the other many passages which says anything about a distinction between what was preached then and what you claim still needs to be preached.

If that were true Matthew then all would be in agreement. His truth would be known and all would be
worshipping Him without disputes...no Hindu, no Catholic, no Baptist, no Voo-dooist, no Muslim, no, no, no, no..... There is a distinction in the written word and the spiritual meaning of the word. Milk - Meat.

11 Corinthians 3:6 Who also made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

There is absolutely no justifcation for fabricating an aspect of the gospel which you refer to as latter rain. Whirlwind, do you not see how desperate you look here? There is no distinction between the gospel and "divine truth." That is a man-made definition. It was the gospel and nothing else that was to be proclaimed or published, Whirlwind. You are grabbing at straws here!

His Word is taught but look at how it is taught. That is the difference in the gospel and the divine truth and there is only one truth.

It is not me that refers to the "latter rain," it is our Father. That rain falls in the latter times....

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for He hath given you the former rain moderately, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

Zechariah 10:1 Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the earth and latter rain.

The Gospel WAS PREACHED to every nation and every creature in that first-century generation. Then the end of the OT age of Judaism came. See Hebrews 8 which describes that which was THEN becoming obsolete, growing old, and ready to pass away!

When does that happen Matthew? Do all know Him now? Has He put His laws in everyone's heart? That old covenant is ready to vanish and when it does there will be no reason to "teach every man his neighbor" asking if they "know the Lord." It hasn't happened yet for the need is still with us. Remember, God is longsuffering and doesn't count time as you and I do. So, it was ready to pass away when Christ died for us but....it hasn't yet done so.

Furthermore, Whirlwind, we ARE to know the day and the hour. A. D. 70!

No my friend....because a building, that no longer was of any value to Jesus, was demolished in 70AD by some little Roman soldier in no way reflects the end of the world and is the culmination of all the prophecies of His Word. Not even close.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buldings of the temple.

27:50-51 Jesus, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the Temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Jesus departed from that temple forever. When the veil was rent some say the Holy Spirit left...others say it is rent showing that no one need go through any man to speak to God. Either way...the temple, the physical building, is nothing more than a pile of rubble to Him. 70AD didn't have anything to do with diddly-squat in the grand scheme of things after that veil split.

 

[researcher]

Originally posted by researcher
Jesus said the gospel would be preached to the known world before the end of the age and the destruction of the temple. Was it? The scripture says it was.

And I'm not a full-preterist. Partial.

So as a "partial" preterist, what "AGE" was that?

Heck, I wouldn't know!

End of the age of the law, beginning of the age of Grace. End of the Jews being the house of God, beginning of the Church age. I have no idea.

It was something. Whatever it was, it was supposed to have ended... a while ago. ;) :D

 

[researcher]

OK Osgiliath. Let's look at the Bible.

Titus 2:11 For the saving grace of God was manifested to All men,

Hi Jeff,

Jesus, the saving grace, was manifested for all time, for all men.

Rom 16:26 made known to All nations for the obedience of faith:

16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

By the scriptures He is made known, manifested, to all nations.


[quote:5zxuhzq4]Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the Whole world.

And, it is. The scriptures manifest Him throughout the whole world.

1Ti 3:16...God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!

Yes He was.

1Th 1:8 For from you hath sounded forth the word of the Lord, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but in Every place your faith to God-ward is gone forth; so that we need not to speak anything.

And, it "sounded forth" from us too. This is a continuing process as people continue to be born.

Col 1:23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister.

Jeff.....did they preach it to you? If not then the verse meant to those under heaven at that time or it means the scriptures and the Holy Spirit which teach us now.

The Apostles said that the gospel was made known to All nations, and all men.

Did they reach South America, Australia, or Japan? Or only the part of the world that they knew existed?

There is no trick here, only belief in what the Bible says.

Jesus said the gospel would be preached to the known world before the end of the age and the destruction of the temple. Was it? The scripture says it was.

And I'm not a full-preterist. Partial.

The divine truth will be published before this age ends...it is now being published. The temple will never be destroyed for....Know ye not that ye are the Temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [1 Corinthians 3:16] Jesus didn't say the temple would be destroyed but that the "great buildings" would be thrown down AND that "there shall not be left one stone upon another." [Mark 13:2]....stones still stand.[/quote:5zxuhzq4]

Gotta go to work, but real quick! ;) :D

Putting the letters in context (the red letters are who they are addressed to)

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle,
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep:
for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.
Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Col 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse:
Col 1:23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister.

Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith:
Tit 2:11 For the saving grace of God was manifested to All men,

Those people addressed in those letters read the letters, and probably believed them to mean their own time. The churches in the ancient world were the direct audience.

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
2Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son:
2Ti 4:1 I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign--

Who does it sound like each writer is talking to? Saints in Rome, saints in Colossae, to Titus, to Timothy, saints in Corinth etc, etc. ;)

Gotta run! ;) :D

 

[whirlwind]

Gotta go to work, but real quick! ;) :D

Putting the letters in context (the red letters are who they are addressed to)

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle,
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep:
for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.
Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Jeff, you don't think Romans was just written to the Romans do you? Did Paul mean that only the homosexuals in Rome had a problem or was he addressing all readers? What about circumcision...was that just to the Romans? Just as those statements were addressed to all readers so is the issue of salvation being near for all of us. It doesn't mean He will arrive soon but they, as well as we, can depart at any moment. Where it is written that He shall bruise Satan....He uses His elect to do that very thing. They did it then and we do it now.

Col 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse:
Col 1:23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister.


Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith:
Tit 2:11 For the saving grace of God was manifested to All men,

Those people addressed in those letters read the letters, and probably believed them to mean their own time. The churches in the ancient world were the direct audience.

I think they did believe that....as do I when I read his letters. We too are his direct audience or...the epistles of the apostles (that's a Fanny Flagg quote) wouldn't be part of His Word.

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
2Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son:
2Ti 4:1 I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign--

Who does it sound like each writer is talking to? Saints in Rome, saints in Colossae, to Titus, to Timothy, saints in Corinth etc, etc. ;)


Gotta run! ;) :D

The letters were written to them but they contained Divinely Inspired Words that are for all of us.

I hope the Governor isn't paying you with IOU's. I don't know if the grocery stores would take them? :ohmy

 

[researcher]

WW wrote: Jeff, you don't think Romans was just written to the Romans do you? Did Paul mean that only the homosexuals in Rome had a problem or was he addressing all readers? What about circumcision...was that just to the Romans? Just as those statements were addressed to all readers so is the issue of salvation being near for all of us.

There are truths that are just truths, but, some were situational imu.


1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ
1Co 1:2 unto the church of God which is at Corinth,
1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? Seek not to be loosed.
Art thou loosed from a wife? Seek not a wife.
1Co 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is shortened,

that henceforth both those that have wives may be as though they had none;

Was that for us, or the Christians at Corinth?

Paul told the Christians at Corinth that the time was shortened and that they should not seek wives, and to act as if they had none. What was the time that was shortened? :o :o :o :P

 

[whirlwind]

WW wrote: Jeff, you don't think Romans was just written to the Romans do you? Did Paul mean that only the homosexuals in Rome had a problem or was he addressing all readers? What about circumcision...was that just to the Romans? Just as those statements were addressed to all readers so is the issue of salvation being near for all of us.

There are truths that are just truths, but, some were situational imu.


1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ
1Co 1:2 unto the church of God which is at Corinth,
1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? Seek not to be loosed.
Art thou loosed from a wife? Seek not a wife.
1Co 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is shortened,

that henceforth both those that have wives may be as though they had none;

Was that for us, or the Christians at Corinth?

Paul told the Christians at Corinth that the time was shortened and that they should not seek wives, and to act as if they had none. What was the time that was shortened? :o :o :o :P

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:

The King James shows "time is short" instead of "shortened." Those statements were from Paul...not the Lord. He didn't marry and he dedicated everything to spreading the word. A few verses later he wrote....

7:35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

It sounds as if he wanted the Christians to dedicate all their time to traveling and teaching, as he did. The time frame there too I see as being necessary to reach everyone they could with the message of salvation.

 

[researcher]

WW wrote: Jeff, you don't think Romans was just written to the Romans do you? Did Paul mean that only the homosexuals in Rome had a problem or was he addressing all readers? What about circumcision...was that just to the Romans? Just as those statements were addressed to all readers so is the issue of salvation being near for all of us.

There are truths that are just truths, but, some were situational imu.


1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ
1Co 1:2 unto the church of God which is at Corinth,
1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? Seek not to be loosed.
Art thou loosed from a wife? Seek not a wife.
1Co 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is shortened,

that henceforth both those that have wives may be as though they had none;

Was that for us, or the Christians at Corinth?

Paul told the Christians at Corinth that the time was shortened and that they should not seek wives, and to act as if they had none. What was the time that was shortened? :o :o :o :P

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:

The King James shows "time is short" instead of "shortened." Those statements were from Paul...not the Lord. He didn't marry and he dedicated everything to spreading the word. A few verses later he wrote....

7:35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

It sounds as if he wanted the Christians to dedicate all their time to traveling and teaching, as he did. The time frame there too I see as being necessary to reach everyone they could with the message of salvation.

And this?

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
Rom 1:7 to all that are in Rome, beloved of God,
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep:
for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.

 

[MMarc]

I heard a preacher once preach how he was sent by God to a place in Northern Siberia know as the "end of the world".

This was in 1994 when he went. In this day the gospel has litterally been preached throughout the world as a witness to all nations.

There are at least two people in every single nation meeting in the name of Jesus, and if two or more meet in His name, Jesus will be there.

God has always had a remnant throughout the bible. God has now a remnant in every nation.
So for me it's a done deal.

Hi Marc,


Undoubtedly His Word has gone through the world but....has the truth of His Word reached everyone? Before this age ends that truth...not denominations, not rapture or passing snakes around, or praying to Mary, or terrorism in the name of Allah, or whatever other man-made ideas are given in the name of God, but His truth will be taught. Will all listen? No, but we are told that "testimony" given by the Holy Spirit through us will be published. That is what you are now doing.

I know what you mean but will the perfect word of God ever be preached while God is using imperfect vessels?

Hmmmm

 

[whirlwind]

I heard a preacher once preach how he was sent by God to a place in Northern Siberia know as the "end of the world".

This was in 1994 when he went. In this day the gospel has litterally been preached throughout the world as a witness to all nations.

There are at least two people in every single nation meeting in the name of Jesus, and if two or more meet in His name, Jesus will be there.

God has always had a remnant throughout the bible. God has now a remnant in every nation.
So for me it's a done deal.

Hi Marc,


Undoubtedly His Word has gone through the world but....has the truth of His Word reached everyone? Before this age ends that truth...not denominations, not rapture or passing snakes around, or praying to Mary, or terrorism in the name of Allah, or whatever other man-made ideas are given in the name of God, but His truth will be taught. Will all listen? No, but we are told that "testimony" given by the Holy Spirit through us will be published. That is what you are now doing.

I know what you mean but will the perfect word of God ever be preached while God is using imperfect vessels?

Hmmmm

Good morning my friend,


If it was just us, the imperfect vessels, then the answer is NO. But what is written is that the Holy Spirit will speak through us. It is what He teaches that we are to speak and...that is perfect.

 

[whirlwind]

And this?

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
Rom 1:7 to all that are in Rome, beloved of God,
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep:
for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.

That is a very strange one to me. It could mean...any of us could die at any moment so "now is salvation nearer to us than we first believed," or it is nearer than we previously thought it was. If the second choice is correct then I would ask...why? What happened to make Paul teach that? What had changed? Or is our salvation nearer than when we first "believed" in Him?


I just thought....what is salvation? Jesus is our salvation. When we "awake out of sleep," when our eyes and ears are opened by the Holy Spirit, when our old man dies...that is the moment of our salvation, the baptism of fire. Is that what Paul was teaching? Our salvation is near, waiting for us to reach that place, it is there waiting. To believe in Him, "when we first believed," is not all that is required for....

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[researcher]

And this?

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
Rom 1:7 to all that are in Rome, beloved of God,
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep:
for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.

That is a very strange one to me. It could mean...any of us could die at any moment so "now is salvation nearer to us than we first believed," or it is nearer than we previously thought it was. If the second choice is correct then I would ask...why? What happened to make Paul teach that? What had changed? Or is our salvation nearer than when we first "believed" in Him?


I just thought....what is salvation? Jesus is our salvation. When we "awake out of sleep," when our eyes and ears are opened by the Holy Spirit, when our old man dies...that is the moment of our salvation, the baptism of fire. Is that what Paul was teaching? Our salvation is near, waiting for us to reach that place, it is there waiting. To believe in Him, "when we first believed," is not all that is required for....

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Here is the word "salvation" that was used there from Strong's:

G4991
ÃÉÄηÃÂία
sÃ…ÂtÄ“ria
so-tay-ree'-ah
Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally): - deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.

And it's from the root word of:

G4990
ÃÉÄήÃÂ
sÃ…ÂtÄ“r
so-tare'
From G4982; a deliverer, that is, God or Christ: - saviour.

for now is salvation, rescue, safety, deliverer, nearer to us than when we first believed.
:o :o :o

 

[researcher]

More?

Heb 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy hath been set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.

Heb 10:37 For yet a very little while, He that cometh shall come, and shall not tarry.

Actually, the literal version reads -

Heb 10:37 for yet a very very little, He who is coming will come, and will not tarry;

The Greek has the word "very" (or much) twice as in, a much much small amount of time. LOL. :D

 

[researcher]

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia:

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

[whirlwind]

And this?

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
Rom 1:7 to all that are in Rome, beloved of God,
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep:
for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.

That is a very strange one to me. It could mean...any of us could die at any moment so "now is salvation nearer to us than we first believed," or it is nearer than we previously thought it was. If the second choice is correct then I would ask...why? What happened to make Paul teach that? What had changed? Or is our salvation nearer than when we first "believed" in Him?


I just thought....what is salvation? Jesus is our salvation. When we "awake out of sleep," when our eyes and ears are opened by the Holy Spirit, when our old man dies...that is the moment of our salvation, the baptism of fire. Is that what Paul was teaching? Our salvation is near, waiting for us to reach that place, it is there waiting. To believe in Him, "when we first believed," is not all that is required for....

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Here is the word "salvation" that was used there from Strong's:

G4991
ÃÉÄηÃÂία
sÃ…ÂtÄ“ria
so-tay-ree'-ah
Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally): - deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.

And it's from the root word of:

G4990
ÃÉÄήÃÂ
sÃ…ÂtÄ“r
so-tare'
From G4982; a deliverer, that is, God or Christ: - saviour.

for now is salvation, rescue, safety, deliverer, nearer to us than when we first believed.
:o :o :o

Add to the descriptions the following....

Believed #4100 pisteuo, from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by impl. to entrust (espec. one's spiritual well-being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put to trust with.

So "believed" isn't, Christ is nearer than we first thought He was. Using those definitions we have....

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time (season), that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

And that, knowing the season, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our (salvation, rescue, safety, deliverer) nearer than when we (put trust in, had faith in, believed in Christ).

Okay....I see it meaning.....It is high time for us to wake up and (have eyes and ears) for He, our deliverer, our salvation, is there waiting and that salvation is closer to us when we do awaken than when we first had faith, first believed in Him.

 

[researcher]

Okay....I see it meaning.....It is high time for us to wake up and (have eyes and ears) for He, our deliverer, our salvation, is there waiting and that salvation is closer to us when we do awaken than when we first had faith, first believed in Him.

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
Rom 1:7 to all that are in Rome, beloved of God,
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep:

Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Well, it was definitely time for the Christians in Rome to wake up. Wouldn't want to miss Satan's "crushing." :o :D

 

[whirlwind]

Okay....I see it meaning.....It is high time for us to wake up and (have eyes and ears) for He, our deliverer, our salvation, is there waiting and that salvation is closer to us when we do awaken than when we first had faith, first believed in Him.

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
Rom 1:7 to all that are in Rome, beloved of God,
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep:

Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Well, it was definitely time for the Christians in Rome to wake up. Wouldn't want to miss Satan's "crushing." :o :D

Okay my "partial" preterist friend....I give up...uncle, uncle, uncle. I think both of us are dug in for the duration. The quotes you give, to me, are written for all of us for all times. I wrote to Matthew 24 this morning and wondered....does this have any bearing on our salvation?

 

[researcher]

Okay....I see it meaning.....It is high time for us to wake up and (have eyes and ears) for He, our deliverer, our salvation, is there waiting and that salvation is closer to us when we do awaken than when we first had faith, first believed in Him.

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
Rom 1:7 to all that are in Rome, beloved of God,
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep:

Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Well, it was definitely time for the Christians in Rome to wake up. Wouldn't want to miss Satan's "crushing." :o :D

Okay my "partial" preterist friend....I give up...uncle, uncle, uncle. I think both of us are dug in for the duration. The quotes you give, to me, are written for all of us for all times. I wrote to Matthew 24 this morning and wondered....does this have any bearing on our salvation?

does this have any bearing on our salvation?

I don't think it does. ;) I believed what you believe for 17 years and I was perfectly OK. LOL. ;) :D ;) :D

Just watch out for the "Obamanation." :o ;) ;) :P