Happy Sabbath

[Ryan]

Not really.

I just asked you a simple question.

Are you Baptized in the Holy Spirit?

I believe by you not answering my simple question, that I have my answer. No you are not.

Which explains way you are more interested in pursuing the shadow of Pentecost, that partaking of the substance.

Thanks, JLB

Leviticus 23:2
“Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord’s appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:

These are Adonai's appointed times. If we were told to celebrate them before, and we will be celebrating them in the Millenium, do you really think he has given us a free pass to ignore them for the last 2000 years?

Question? Do you celebrate Christmas? I do. If you do, I got news for you. You don't have to. He came, he went, let it just be another day. Don't knock on me celebrating Pentecost, and I won't knock on you for celebrating Christmas.

I am not knocking you for any of your practices.

I would, however encourage you to partake of the substance of what the feast of Pentecost pointed to.

Ask and it will be given to you.

Seek and you shall find.

Knock and it will be opened to you.

John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. The Baptism of the holy Spirit is different than being Baptized in water.

JLB

You can't even tell me when the first concept of a baptism was in the bible, so by what authority can you tell i'm baptized into something you have none, or little understanding of.

 

[Deborah13]

There is a reason why there are 2 loaves baked with leaven in Leviticus 23:17 and the traditional reading of Ruth during this time. Which is highlighted by the Holy Spirit being given at Pentecost to Jew and Gentile alike in Acts 2.

I didn't know this! Thank for sharing.

 

[Deborah13]

I'm amazed with your blanket statement most people aren't Spirit filled who observe Pentecost. is the whole world in your hands? Ever been to a Pentecost celebration? Please point me to this wonderful fact you have uncovered showing Pentecost observers are not Spirit filled. please don't hide this from all to see.

Hi Ryan, glad to see you are still here.
I just wanted to say that three years ago we spent four days at a small tent meeting in Sodona, AZ. It was organized by David Herzog who is Messianic Jew, he in fact is Jewish, and Mahesh Chavda who is Christian. It was one of the sweetest times I have ever had with the Lord. They blew the shafar and danced with the scarves. The native American Christian musicians were good too. The Holy Spirit moved in that meeting He was almost tangible. There's more to what happened with a little boy about 9 but I'm afraid I've already told you this maybe and don't want to repeat myself.

So the reason I say this is to point that we should all be very careful in the accusations that we make. When Paul said not to judge in Sabbaths, feasts, etc, I believe he meant that to be taken seriously by ALL on both sides. Unfortunately there is two sides when their shouldn't be.
I look at the Sabbath as [MENTION=34241]George[/MENTION] does. But when or where we fellowship with others and with our Lord should be where the Lord leads.

 

[jasoncran]

[MENTION=91415]Ryan[/MENTION]. whom was nahor and how did he serve God?

balaam ere his fall was a prophet unto the lord.Job was a gentile and his book mentions no shabat.jews weren't the reason God made men.

 

[JLB]

so by what authority can you tell i'm baptized into something you have none,

Baptized into something you have none? I don't understand this statement.

The New Testament teaches us about being baptized into Christ which is being baptized into His death. [Baptism in water]

In addition to baptism in water, the bible teaches us that Jesus will Baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

Which is the good thing that the feast of Pentecost directs us to.

Any old testament types that pointed to this are only shadows of the good thing that has come.

I believe you told us the Spirit moved on you to get baptized in water recently, at least I think that was you.


JLB

 

[George Muller]

Eze. 8

[16] And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshiped the sun toward the east.
[17] Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
[18] Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

Sun worshiping & they even put up their nose in the air while doing so?? And does that sound familiar!!

--Elijah

I guess if the Lord was raised on a Monday, you would be calling His church Moon worshipers?

Of course you do also understand that Saturday is named for a false god? I guess under your logic we should assume that those who worship on Saturday are worshiping Saturn.

 

[Ryan]

There is a reason why there are 2 loaves baked with leaven in Leviticus 23:17 and the traditional reading of Ruth during this time. Which is highlighted by the Holy Spirit being given at Pentecost to Jew and Gentile alike in Acts 2.

I didn't know this! Thank for sharing.

Your welcome. And if you look it up, the giving of the Torah at Sinai and Pentecost in Acts parallel each other

I'm amazed with your blanket statement most people aren't Spirit filled who observe Pentecost. is the whole world in your hands? Ever been to a Pentecost celebration? Please point me to this wonderful fact you have uncovered showing Pentecost observers are not Spirit filled. please don't hide this from all to see.

Hi Ryan, glad to see you are still here.
I just wanted to say that three years ago we spent four days at a small tent meeting in Sodona, AZ. It was organized by David Herzog who is Messianic Jew, he in fact is Jewish, and Mahesh Chavda who is Christian. It was one of the sweetest times I have ever had with the Lord. They blew the shafar and danced with the scarves. The native American Christian musicians were good too. The Holy Spirit moved in that meeting He was almost tangible. There's more to what happened with a little boy about 9 but I'm afraid I've already told you this maybe and don't want to repeat myself.

So the reason I say this is to point that we should all be very careful in the accusations that we make. When Paul said not to judge in Sabbaths, feasts, etc, I believe he meant that to be taken seriously by ALL on both sides. Unfortunately there is two sides when their shouldn't be.
I look at the Sabbath as [MENTION=34241]George[/MENTION] does. But when or where we fellowship with others and with our Lord should be where the Lord leads.

Deborah, you should know this guy is not making accusations or not looking down at anybody for not observing the Feast days. Just saying there are great blessings in observing them of which you have been witness to and can testify to that fact.

And it's good to talk with you again. Blessings

 

[Elijah674]

Eze. 8

[16] And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshiped the sun toward the east.
[17] Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
[18] Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

Sun worshiping & they even put up their nose in the air while doing so?? And does that sound familiar!!

--Elijah

I guess if the Lord was raised on a Monday, you would be calling His church Moon worshipers?

Of course you do also understand that Saturday is named for a false god? I guess under your logic we should assume that those who worship on Saturday are worshiping Saturn.

Surely you know that it is not the 7th Day! These were all (you'ins) SUN worshipers, huh?
But carry on!

But it is even much more than that according to Heb. 6:6??

--Elijah

 

[Ryan]

so by what authority can you tell i'm baptized into something you have none,

Baptized into something you have none? I don't understand this statement.

The New Testament teaches us about being baptized into Christ which is being baptized into His death. [Baptism in water]

In addition to baptism in water, the bible teaches us that Jesus will Baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

Which is the good thing that the feast of Pentecost directs us to.

Any old testament types that pointed to this are only shadows of the good thing that has come.

I believe you told us the Spirit moved on you to get baptized in water recently, at least I think that was you.


JLB

Talking with you is unproductive, and if you want to carry along, you will have to go it alone. I am not the issue here. Lets get our focus back to God here please of whom we serve.

And really, can you not put two and two together? Was it the Spirit of God compelling me to get baptized, or was it the spirit of demons who would love to see me get baptized into the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

If anyone is interested if they are truly interested when baptism came, PM me as I have found wonderful articles about baptism that dispels the notion of John the Immerser being the first to baptize. It really is amazing stuff and pre-dates even the tabernacle days.
[MENTION=94557]WalterandDebbie[/MENTION], sorry threads like this get derailed by some. Some just don't like to see us eating our pie and enjoying it to. You will never hear us say when someone went to church on a Sundy and the Spirit was strong that day, question whether it was real, or completely downplay what they are experiencing. Unfortunately, others just do not like to see other people enjoying serving The Lord in the manner he prescribed without feeling threatened by it. thats what religion does to a person.

 

[jasoncran]

the first baptism technically, though a stretch, is recorded in the exodus account of isreal crossing the red sea. However, peter compares the act of water baptism to the flood. which a far greater anology. in that the flood came and wiped away sin and cleansed the earth of the unrighteous men.

 

[George Muller]

Eze. 8

[16] And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshiped the sun toward the east.
[17] Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
[18] Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

Sun worshiping & they even put up their nose in the air while doing so?? And does that sound familiar!!

--Elijah

I guess if the Lord was raised on a Monday, you would be calling His church Moon worshipers?

Of course you do also understand that Saturday is named for a false god? I guess under your logic we should assume that those who worship on Saturday are worshiping Saturn.

Surely you know that it is not the 7th Day! These were all (you'ins) SUN worshipers, huh?
But carry on!

But it is even much more than that according to Heb. 6:6??

--Elijah

Well what do you call the day before sunday? Is that not the day that you guys meet? You sure there is not some saturn worshipers in your group?

 

[Ryan]

the first baptism technically, though a stretch, is recorded in the exodus account of isreal crossing the red sea. However, peter compares the act of water baptism to the flood. which a far greater anology. in that the flood came and wiped away sin and cleansed the earth of the unrighteous men.

Pretty close, and yes Noah's Ark is a good picture of baptism and the washing away of unrighteousness. But there is still an earlier baptism, and it is in Genesis 1. You being a Jew from Israel must know what a miqveh is. The first time it is used is in Genesis 1:10. Can you see it?

 

[George Muller]

You will never hear us say when someone went to church on a Sundy and the Spirit was strong that day, question whether it was real, or completely downplay what they are experiencing. Unfortunately, others just do not like to see other people enjoying serving The Lord in the manner he prescribed without feeling threatened by it. thats what religion does to a person.

I am a little confused, I see on a regular basis those who claim to keep the sabbath attack those who worship on Sunday, even suggesting that they are sun worshippers. Are you sure that some of your group are as kind as you would have us believe?

 

[Ryan]

You will never hear us say when someone went to church on a Sundy and the Spirit was strong that day, question whether it was real, or completely downplay what they are experiencing. Unfortunately, others just do not like to see other people enjoying serving The Lord in the manner he prescribed without feeling threatened by it. thats what religion does to a person.

I am a little confused, I see on a regular basis those who claim to keep the sabbath attack those who worship on Sunday, even suggesting that they are sun worshippers. Are you sure that some of your group are as kind as you would have us believe?

Why would anyone attack anyone for worshipping on a Sunday? Or Wednesday, or Saturday for that matter? As long as it is to Jesus and not the sun or the moon. Any day is a good day to worship the Lord. It's just there was a day set apart from creation to take the rest in that he gave us instructions in how to go about it. I trust he knows what is best for me. Do you know what a moed is, or a moedim?

 

[George Muller]

You will never hear us say when someone went to church on a Sundy and the Spirit was strong that day, question whether it was real, or completely downplay what they are experiencing. Unfortunately, others just do not like to see other people enjoying serving The Lord in the manner he prescribed without feeling threatened by it. thats what religion does to a person.

I am a little confused, I see on a regular basis those who claim to keep the sabbath attack those who worship on Sunday, even suggesting that they are sun worshippers. Are you sure that some of your group are as kind as you would have us believe?

Why would anyone attack anyone for worshipping on a Sunday? Or Wednesday, or Saturday for that matter? As long as it is to Jesus and not the sun or the moon. Any day is a good day to worship the Lord. It's just there was a day set apart from creation to take the rest in that he gave us instructions in how to go about it. I trust he knows what is best for me. Do you know what a moed is, or a moedim?

Wow Ryan I think we have found a place to agree! Not familiar with a "moedim"

If JLB would be as kind, we could most likely agree on many things

 

[Ryan]

You will never hear us say when someone went to church on a Sundy and the Spirit was strong that day, question whether it was real, or completely downplay what they are experiencing. Unfortunately, others just do not like to see other people enjoying serving The Lord in the manner he prescribed without feeling threatened by it. thats what religion does to a person.

I am a little confused, I see on a regular basis those who claim to keep the sabbath attack those who worship on Sunday, even suggesting that they are sun worshippers. Are you sure that some of your group are as kind as you would have us believe?

Why would anyone attack anyone for worshipping on a Sunday? Or Wednesday, or Saturday for that matter? As long as it is to Jesus and not the sun or the moon. Any day is a good day to worship the Lord. It's just there was a day set apart from creation to take the rest in that he gave us instructions in how to go about it. I trust he knows what is best for me. Do you know what a moed is, or a moedim?

Wow Ryan I think we have found a place to agree! Not familiar with a "moedim"

If JLB would be as kind, we could most likely agree on many things

We probably agree on many things.

Genesis 1:14 <SUP class=versenum> </SUP>Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for <SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP>signs and for <SUP class=crossreference value='(D)'></SUP>seasons and for days and years;

Seasons here is the word moed. How it was used wasn't to say fall, winter, spring summer are here, but were for divine appointments to keep.

mô‛êd mô‛êd mô‛âdâh
mo-ade', mo-ade', mo-aw-daw'
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand)
KJV Usage: appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

</ARTICLE>
Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions
1. appointed place, appointed time, meeting
a. appointed time
1. appointed time (general)
2. sacred season, set feast, appointed season
b. appointed meeting
c. appointed place
d. appointed sign or signal
e. tent of meeting


As you can see, it is for appointments. If you look at the Sabbath's and the Feast days as God's day timer, he has a weekly and times throughout the year he wants to meet with us. If your boss said he wanted to meet with you on Thursday at 2 o'clock. Would you show up? That's kinda what God is saying to us here.

Leviticus 23:1-4

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying, <SUP class=versenum>2 </SUP>“Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘<SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP>The Lord’s appointed times [moedim] which you shall <SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP>proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times [moedim]are these:
<SUP class=versenum>3 </SUP>‘<SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP>For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.
<SUP class=versenum>4 </SUP>‘These are the <SUP class=crossreference value='(D)'></SUP>appointed times [moedim] of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at the times appointed [moedim] for them.




Now if God made the suns, moons and the stars for us to remember to gather and observe his appointed times, why would he want his day timer to change? I could go on, but for brevity's sake. I think you get my drift why some of us want to keep the days he made. That's why you have people like us saying come and enjoy those days. Especially in light of the remaining feast days that need to be fulfilled still in the fall.

 

[George Muller]

Why would anyone attack anyone for worshipping on a Sunday? Or Wednesday, or Saturday for that matter? As long as it is to Jesus and not the sun or the moon. Any day is a good day to worship the Lord. It's just there was a day set apart from creation to take the rest in that he gave us instructions in how to go about it. I trust he knows what is best for me. Do you know what a moed is, or a moedim?

Wow Ryan I think we have found a place to agree! Not familiar with a "moedim"

If JLB would be as kind, we could most likely agree on many things

We probably agree on many things.

Genesis 1:14 <SUP class=versenum> </SUP>Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for <SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP>signs and for <SUP class=crossreference value='(D)'></SUP>seasons and for days and years;

Seasons here is the word moed. How it was used wasn't to say fall, winter, spring summer are here, but were for divine appointments to keep.

mô‛êd mô‛êd mô‛âdâh
mo-ade', mo-ade', mo-aw-daw'
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand)
KJV Usage: appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

</ARTICLE>
Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions
1. appointed place, appointed time, meeting
a. appointed time
1. appointed time (general)
2. sacred season, set feast, appointed season
b. appointed meeting
c. appointed place
d. appointed sign or signal
e. tent of meeting


As you can see, it is for appointments. If you look at the Sabbath's and the Feast days as God's day timer, he has a weekly and times throughout the year he wants to meet with us. If your boss said he wanted to meet with you on Thursday at 2 o'clock. Would you show up? That's kinda what God is saying to us here.

Leviticus 23:1-4

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying, <SUP class=versenum>2 </SUP>“Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘<SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP>The Lord’s appointed times [moedim] which you shall <SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP>proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times [moedim]are these:
<SUP class=versenum>3 </SUP>‘<SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP>For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.
<SUP class=versenum>4 </SUP>‘These are the <SUP class=crossreference value='(D)'></SUP>appointed times [moedim] of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at the times appointed [moedim] for them.




Now if God made the suns, moons and the stars for us to remember to gather and observe his appointed times, why would he want his day timer to change? I could go on, but for brevity's sake. I think you get my drift why some of us want to keep the days he made. That's why you have people like us saying come and enjoy those days. Especially in light of the remaining feast days that need to be fulfilled still in the fall.

Well I can admire your zeal for these things, but what the New Covenant is, is that Gods Spirit is in the believer, that we always have fellowship with God. It would be a huge step backwards for me to observe appointed times to meet with God.
In truth, I am in God and nothing can seperate me from His Love.
Ro 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

I call Him Abba, and he always hears me and His love is always with me, how could I turn from that? I need no day or season, I have His fellowship at all times.

 

[Elijah674]

Well good for you.

James 2 says it quite differently.
[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, [[as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.]]

But who was James huh???

--Elijah

 

[jasoncran]

the first baptism technically, though a stretch, is recorded in the exodus account of isreal crossing the red sea. However, peter compares the act of water baptism to the flood. which a far greater anology. in that the flood came and wiped away sin and cleansed the earth of the unrighteous men.

Pretty close, and yes Noah's Ark is a good picture of baptism and the washing away of unrighteousness. But there is still an earlier baptism, and it is in Genesis 1. You being a Jew from Israel must know what a miqveh is. The first time it is used is in Genesis 1:10. Can you see it?

im not an isreali jew, but I say this"im of isreal" to mean that I am of that descent. genesis 1:10 cant be used that way since it has nothing to do with redemption nor cleansing.

 

[George Muller]

Well good for you.

James 2 says it quite differently.
[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, [[as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.]]

But who was James huh???

--Elijah

He just says the same thing Paul says:

Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ( THE ROYAL LAW)
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Here is the law of liberty;

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.